Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

[Freida]

I think you need to think bigger. This is Apple and this has been cooking for years. Apple always has samples from Intel well in advance and the are not switching from Intel to just get few % increase. They will completely humiliate Intel and I would guess that the first AS will probably be at least 50% faster than the same from Intel. AT LEAST!

The performance Apple will soon show us will be insane. Just see how much power you have in your iPhone/iPad and now take that to computers with active cooling and scaling and damn we are in for a massive treat.

There is no way Apple is going to release first AS that would only have 10-20% speed increase. The press would have a blast with it and there is no marketing to spin. It would have negative impact on the transition and it would leave a bad taste to many customers. No no no, the first AS will be huge in each category and at least 50% faster if not much more.

This is not fanboy talking - we all know that I can be very critical of Apple. This is just common sense practical thinking with history taken into an account.

Its gonna be massive, believe me

I do not doubt the capability of AS , but I am questioning if a single SoC can replace the performance a 125W CPU plus a 225W GPU in one cost efficient package. The chip must be very large to have all these functions along with all the other AS functions. Large chips cost lots of money. OK, 5 nm process helps as it nearly halves (?) the area of the chip.

Some dirty calculations: If we use a A12Z as multiple, we would need about 8 to get 12 TFLOPS GPU (assume 1.5 TFLOPS/A12Z) and perhaps 23000 multicore score (8* Geekbench score (2900) of the development unit) which would be decent performance. "Decent" as more CPU power than a 28 core xeon and an 5700XT.

That setup would draw about 80W (assuming the power draw scale linear) but be >1000mm2 (8*136mm2) on 7nm, which is huge and not doable at least not payable. 5 nm plus better balance between CPU (which is too much in the example above) and GPU (which is appropriate performance) would lead to a chip of a size of perhaps 300-400 mm2, which is doable and payable. 80W would fit a MBP16 or an iMac Air.
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There is an excellent Mac Pro mini in the form of the trashcan MP. Cooling like an iMac Pro.

 

[Azrael9]

The Mac mini deserves to be a compute powerhouse. It must have at least the same compute power than an iMac without the built-in display.

100%.

Agreed.

On this.

Azrael.
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Apple's been preparing for at least 4 (if not 5) years ago for this switch. No doubt they will successfully fulfill all expectations for the Apple Silicon.

Yes. This transition has been happening for a long time.

It will be transformative for Apple Consumer Macs.

You can envision a scenario where a Mac Mini plus XDR is better for some than an iMac...WITH Apple Silicon.

Azrael.
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I think you need to think bigger. This is Apple and this has been cooking for years. Apple always has samples from Intel well in advance and the are not switching from Intel to just get few % increase. They will completely humiliate Intel and I would guess that the first AS will probably be at least 50% faster than the same from Intel. AT LEAST!

The performance Apple will soon show us will be insane. Just see how much power you have in your iPhone/iPad and now take that to computers with active cooling and scaling and damn we are in for a massive treat.

There is no way Apple is going to release first AS that would only have 10-20% speed increase. The press would have a blast with it and there is no marketing to spin. It would have negative impact on the transition and it would leave a bad taste to many customers. No no no, the first AS will be huge in each category and at least 50% faster if not much more.

This is not fanboy talking - we all know that I can be very critical of Apple. This is just common sense practical thinking with history taken into an account.

Its gonna be massive, believe me

'Oh yeashhs...I love it when we do that.' Freddie.

Azrael.
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Don’t worry. Nvidia is far from being worried by Apple. They are not on the same market at all. Nvidia is even more leaving the gaming industry, favors embedded, AI, data center, research...

Why do you think AMD has the consoles ? Because if not, it would be Antitrust law. Nvidia would have a monopoly of GPU chips. This is not allowed in the US.
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I like that. There is a lot of money to do within these few lines.

On point.

Yeah...Nv' we can see a scenario where Nv' are leaving the gaming space. No? They're preparing for it.

They'll be going to the 'other' places you mention. That would explain their acquisitions.

Nv' certainly won't be going in Macs.

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It's funny. I've been wanting a Mac mini 'Pro' ever since I got mine (launch of 2018 model). I was expecting it to take the form (if at all) of an Intel CPU and low-mid end AMD GPU.

Looks like Apple will get their first with an AS CPU/GPU combo. What is fascinating, is that the first few AS SoCs seem to be for the 'low-end' MacBooks. I thought the Mac mini would be a good starting point, but that bodes well for those of us wanting a higher end SoC, perhaps...

The future is SoCs.

Look at the kick az PS5. It's not that hard to envision Apple's cpu and GPU (with whispers they're very confident with their gpus...no? The iPad has seen a x1000% increase in power. That is a lot of GPU performance experience...) that blows away not only our expectations but the competition as well.

I can see them happily 'gunning' for Nv' as well as just steam rolling right over Intel's iGPU in the consumer Macs (which, let's be honest, isn't 'great.')

I (trade secret here, folks...) have LONG pined for a Mac Mini Pro power house.

With the AS14 SoC? (IMagine an 8 core cpu with gpu power that blows a low end Nvidia gpu out the water...) ***waves...me...ME mME!!!!! I want one...I want one...*waves...and jumps up and down...****

*Mouth moistens somewhat.

It's cupertino time....

Azrael.

 

[pldelisle]

Yeah...Nv' we can see a scenario where Nv' are leaving the gaming space. No? They're preparing for it

Gamers still represent a huge part of Nvidia's revenue. While we don't know about their long-term roadmap, maybe they envision something bigger than supplying GPUs to gamers. But they mostly use the Apple's model.

They made their top high-end GPU pass from 300$ (GTX680) to 3000$ (RTX Titan), just like the iPhone skyrocketed in prices the last decade. To finance what ? Better software (CUDA is a GPGPU "proprietary standard"m the most powerful and deployed parallel programming API in the world), better hardware (GPUs with Tensor Core, more and more specific parts of the silicon targeted more and more toward ML), ultimately revolutions (ARM switch and own custom Silicon for ALL Apple products).

So is Nvidia preppin' something big in the coming years ? I'd say yes. Nvidia is involved in Linux. Nvidia is involved with TSMC. They could adapt a Linux distribution on their own SoC maybe. Something that will accelerate greatly research or ML and will leap frog the research industry. Nvidia has the workforce in software and hardware to make something really big. And they have the coolest CEO of the industry (because Craig is still not CEO).

It still takes days to train neural networks.

Nvidia eclipses Intel as most valuable U.S. chipmaker

Nvidia <NVDA.O> has overtaken Intel <INTC.O> for the first time as the most valuable U.S. chipmaker.

www.reuters.com

 

[iPadified]

I think you need to think bigger. This is Apple and this has been cooking for years. Apple always has samples from Intel well in advance and the are not switching from Intel to just get few % increase. They will completely humiliate Intel and I would guess that the first AS will probably be at least 50% faster than the same from Intel. AT LEAST!

The performance Apple will soon show us will be insane. Just see how much power you have in your iPhone/iPad and now take that to computers with active cooling and scaling and damn we are in for a massive treat.

There is no way Apple is going to release first AS that would only have 10-20% speed increase. The press would have a blast with it and there is no marketing to spin. It would have negative impact on the transition and it would leave a bad taste to many customers. No no no, the first AS will be huge in each category and at least 50% faster if not much more.

This is not fanboy talking - we all know that I can be very critical of Apple. This is just common sense practical thinking with history taken into an account.

Its gonna be massive, believe me

So a performance of a SoC exceeding that of a 28C/56T (19000 geekbench for Mac Pro vs 23000 calculated in my example) and a desktop high end graphics (5700XT that has 12 TFLOPS) with a TDP fitting a laptop is not thinking big enough?

We can agree it will be outstanding, but I think about the economics or relative large chips. For my sake they can make a 700 mm2 chip for $3000 with twice the performance of my example, and I will buy it assuming it fits a iMac form factor.

 

[BigSplash]

The Mac mini deserves to be a compute powerhouse. It must have at least the same compute power than an iMac without the built-in display.

I don't think that people understand the technical possibilities that are open to Apple by controlling their own silicon. Apple may believe that they now have the technical resources to go after the "von Neumann bottleneck" in a revolutionary way. The term "System-on-a-chip" may not do justice to what is coming.

 

[Freida]

Size doesn't matter, its the performance that counts )))

(Where have I heard that before 🧐) 🤪🤪🤪

So a performance of a SoC exceeding that of a 28C/56T (19000 geekbench for Mac Pro vs 23000 calculated in my example) and a desktop high end graphics (5700XT that has 12 TFLOPS) with a TDP fitting a laptop is not thinking big enough?

We can agree it will be outstanding, but I think about the economics or relative large chips. For my sake they can make a 700 mm2 chip for $3000 with twice the performance of my example, and I will buy it assuming it fits a iMac form factor.

 

[gusping]

Size doesn't matter, its the performance that counts )))

(Where have I heard that before 🧐) 🤪🤪🤪

Steady on, Fredia. How many have you had to drink? Or are you talking from experience? Is that what you say to yourself in the bedro... never mind.

Half of me is cautiously optimistic for the first generation of AS Macs, the other is fully aboard the hype train. I am very tempted to buy a 'cheap' MBP/MBA with AS later this, to test drive it. Note, I have a history of stupid Apple purchases, so this is something a muppet like me would do!

 

[pldelisle]

The only "stupid" Apple purchases was buying a first gen Apple Watch to my girlfriend for half the price when it was discontinued. But she still likes it and wear it everyday, so it's not *that* stupid, but the first gen Apple Watch was dead before release... 32 bit underpowered CPU... I feel today like the first gen Apple Watch was a beta product when looking at my Series 2 (which won't have WatchOS but still has been supported longer). Series 5 will last very long.

 

[gusping]

The only "stupid" Apple purchases was buying a first gen Apple Watch to my girlfriend for half the price when it was discontinued. But she still likes it and wear it everyday, so it's not *that* stupid, but the first gen Apple Watch was dead before release... 32 bit underpowered CPU... I feel today like the first gen Apple Watch was a beta product when looking at my Series 2 (which won't have WatchOS but still has been supported longer).

Haha! Well, it sounds like she is still your gf, so that's good! I bought a SS gen 1 watch, but the coating on the screen to reduce fingerprints (begins with 'O'), rubbed/scratched off. I thought that was completely pointless on the SS model with a sapphire screen (Which I bought as not to get scratched), so I took it back and never got a replacement (thankfully!). I bought the gen 2, and now have gen 4 (will buy gen 6 this year).

I owned every single iPad (all sizes) up until the iPad mini 4 I think. God knows why. What a dumb f**k I was. The worst purchase I made was buying a 12" Macbook (remember that lovely Intel CPU?) to take to campus alongside my 12.9in iPad Pro, so its was easier to work in the library... This was despite having a 15in MBP which I left at home. STUPID 'CHILD'! I think I also had an iPad mini alongside that, to complete my 2 laptop, 2 iPad setup!

 

[pldelisle]

I feel the pain ... ahah.

I bought my 2012 Retina MacBook Pro 15 under-specced. Only got 8 GB RAM and 256 GB SSD. Sold it in late 2013 (15 months) after purchase but didn't loose too much on it since Mac always had high resell value. Bought a maxed out Late-2013. Best move I ever made since this is still my daily driver which is incredible considering I'm software engineer and working with my laptop everyday since the past 7 years.

I only had an iPhone 5 which I used for 5 years, iPhone 8 Plus and iPhone XR (sold the iPhone 8 Plus after two years for 400 CAD because corporate discount on XR, so didn't loose too much either). Still have an iPad Air first gen at release and still using it for streaming TV via AirPlay to my Apple TV4K (stupid local TV channel doesn't have native Apple TV app). And my iPad Pro 12.9 and Watch Series 2 which I still use.

Except the iPhone 8 Plus (which I would still have if I didn't have the crazy corporate discount on the XR), I tend to use the devices until software obsolescence or physical breakup. This way, I cannot feel guilty about buying something new. I know I've used the thing until its death. My MacBook Pro swelling battery makes me feel I can buy a new computer (still need to convince the girlfriend boss).

Same goes for my 15-year old (I think) Cisco 2821 router. Security threats improving every years make me feel I need a new router, but still waiting for Ubiquiti to release something strong.

 

[CWallace]

The only "stupid" Apple purchases was buying a first gen Apple Watch to my girlfriend for half the price when it was discontinued. But she still likes it and wear it everyday, so it's not *that* stupid, but the first gen Apple Watch was dead before release... 32 bit underpowered CPU... I feel today like the first gen Apple Watch was a beta product when looking at my Series 2 (which won't have WatchOS but still has been supported longer). Series 5 will last very long.

I arguably could still have used my Series 0 since all I needed was the basic health tracking, but the larger display and heart-rate monitoring of the Series 4 convinced me to upgrade. But I intend to ride that one into the ground, as well.

 

[Homy]

I do not doubt the capability of AS , but I am questioning if a single SoC can replace the performance a 125W CPU plus a 225W GPU in one cost efficient package. The chip must be very large to have all these functions along with all the other AS functions. Large chips cost lots of money. OK, 5 nm process helps as it nearly halves (?) the area of the chip.

Some dirty calculations: If we use a A12Z as multiple, we would need about 8 to get 12 TFLOPS GPU (assume 1.5 TFLOPS/A12Z) and perhaps 23000 multicore score (8* Geekbench score (2900) of the development unit) which would be decent performance. "Decent" as more CPU power than a 28 core xeon and an 5700XT.

That setup would draw about 80W (assuming the power draw scale linear) but be >1000mm2 (8*136mm2) on 7nm, which is huge and not doable at least not payable. 5 nm plus better balance between CPU (which is too much in the example above) and GPU (which is appropriate performance) would lead to a chip of a size of perhaps 300-400 mm2, which is doable and payable. 80W would fit a MBP16 or an iMac Air.
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There is an excellent Mac Pro mini in the form of the trashcan MP. Cooling like an iMac Pro.

I think this article already has been shared here but remember that AS GPU uses a new modern way of rendering called Tile Based Deferred Rendering (TBDR) with focus on speed and low power consumption. Intel, AMD and Nvidia still use the old inefficient way called Immediate Mode Rendering (IMR) which needs a lot of bandwidth and power. I think Apple knows a lot more than we can imagine.

ARM Mac graphics performance could beat discrete GPUs - 9to5Mac

Apple gave an impressive demo of ARM Mac graphics performance when it showed a Shadow of the Tomb Raider demo during its WWDC keynote ...

9to5mac.com

 

[FrankySavvy]

Okay so I was thinking about the iMac Pro, the Sonny Dickson Rumor, 27" Shipping Delays, Kuo rumors and well I had some thoughts that might make sense of it all.

The new iMac Pro

Any day from now until July 30th (3Q Investors Call) Apple releases an all new redesigned iMac 27" which they might just call iMac Pro. Discontinuing the current iMac Pro and 27" iMac. They will also refresh the 21.5 with upgraded internals.

Why release before July 30th?

Releasing this before the investors call would be a good way to cover the poor COVID-19 related sales numbers.

Why a redesign, not a refresh?

The new 27" iMac "Pro" will have the all new iPad inspired design with XDR bezels, 10th Gen Intel Processors, NAVI graphics, no fusion drives, based on the Sonny Dickson leak and the leaked benchmark. Originally they wanted to launch at WWDC but pulled last minute because of ARM announcement. Hence the long/strange 27" iMac shipping times. My opinion if it was just a refresh it would have come already.

But why call is iMac Pro?

The 2017 iMac Pro at the $4999 price point was originally created to offer pros an alternative to the trash can MacPro, but with the arrival of the new MacPro, the iMac Pro can evolve down to a more prosumer device like an MacBook Pro is Pro

What about the September/October Events?

There is no way Apple crams everything in one massive event.

In a September Event Apple will strictly focus on iPhone, Apple Watch, Apple TV, HomePods, AirPods, Airtags. No need to stuff everything in one event as some would say, that would be marketing overload.

In an October Event Apple will reveal an all new AS MacBook with all new design, and an all new AS 24" iMac with the iPad Pro inspired design language.

This aligns with Kuo stating an Intel iMac release in Q3 and Apple Silicon 24" iMac in Q4.

In Conclusion

I think Sonny Dickson heard a correct leak but the release changed. This is also why shipping dates are so out of wack right now because the supply chain was expecting a June release. The leaked benchmark confirmed that Sonny was correct on the internals so why not the redesign as well. This release would align with Ming Chi Kuo as well and make sense of the crazy shipping times.

At this point whenever the 27” iMac releases I am pretty sure it just won’t be a spec bump.

 

[pldelisle]

Releasing this before the investors call would be a good way to cover the poor COVID-19 related sales numbers.

apple increased computer shipments since the beginning of the year. Poor COVID-19 sales ??????????

But you might be right for the rest.
But if it has Intel CPU I don’t want it.

 

[Freida]

You are so right, I was thinking about it today.
Also, you brought an interesting point which I fully agree with. Basically iMac Pro will cease to exist as soon as we switch to AS. Apple won't keep iMac and iMac Pro as there will be no more Xeon and it will all be AS so they will consolidate it and will probably keep it in the current theme - light, medium, pro

I think that we won't see the update tomorrow but next week. If not next week then I doubt we will see it before iPhones. Its either this month or Sep/Oct (even though you make a good point but if wrong then its what it is)

Also, iPhones could be end of month whilst iMacs beginning so September is a valid option.

Regardless, I feel next tuesday is the likely candidate. Otherwise I'll see you all in September

Okay so I was thinking about the iMac Pro, the Sonny Dickson Rumor, 27" Shipping Delays, Kuo rumors and well I had some thoughts that might make sense of it all.

The new iMac Pro

Any day from now until July 30th (3Q Investors Call) Apple releases an all new redesigned iMac 27" which they might just call iMac Pro. Discontinuing the current iMac Pro and 27" iMac. They will also refresh the 21.5 with upgraded internals.

Why release before July 30th?

Releasing this before the investors call would be a good way to cover the poor COVID-19 related sales numbers.

Why a redesign, not a refresh?

The new 27" iMac "Pro" will have the all new iPad inspired design with XDR bezels, 10th Gen Intel Processors, NAVI graphics, no fusion drives, based on the Sonny Dickson leak and the leaked benchmark. Originally they wanted to launch at WWDC but pulled last minute because of ARM announcement. Hence the long/strange 27" iMac shipping times. My opinion if it was just a refresh it would have come already.

But why call is iMac Pro?

The 2017 iMac Pro at the $4999 price point was originally created to offer pros an alternative to the trash can MacPro, but with the arrival of the new MacPro, the iMac Pro can evolve down to a more prosumer device like an MacBook Pro is Pro

What about the September/October Events?

There is no way Apple crams everything in one massive event.

In a September Event Apple will strictly focus on iPhone, Apple Watch, Apple TV, HomePods, AirPods, Airtags. No need to stuff everything in one event as some would say, that would be marketing overload.

In an October Event Apple will reveal an all new AS MacBook with all new design, and an all new AS 24" iMac with the iPad Pro inspired design language.

This aligns with Kuo stating an Intel iMac release in Q3 and Apple Silicon 24" iMac in Q4.

In Conclusion

I think Sonny Dickson heard a correct leak but the release changed. This is also why shipping dates are so out of wack right now because the supply chain was expecting a June release. The leaked benchmark confirmed that Sonny was correct on the internals so why not the redesign as well. This release would align with Ming Chi Kuo as well and make sense of the crazy shipping times.

At this point whenever the 27” iMac releases I am pretty sure it just won’t be a spec bump.

 

[DQ11]

I think you need to think bigger. This is Apple and this has been cooking for years. Apple always has samples from Intel well in advance and the are not switching from Intel to just get few % increase. They will completely humiliate Intel and I would guess that the first AS will probably be at least 50% faster than the same from Intel. AT LEAST!

The performance Apple will soon show us will be insane. Just see how much power you have in your iPhone/iPad and now take that to computers with active cooling and scaling and damn we are in for a massive treat.

There is no way Apple is going to release first AS that would only have 10-20% speed increase. The press would have a blast with it and there is no marketing to spin. It would have negative impact on the transition and it would leave a bad taste to many customers. No no no, the first AS will be huge in each category and at least 50% faster if not much more.

This is not fanboy talking - we all know that I can be very critical of Apple. This is just common sense practical thinking with history taken into an account.

Its gonna be massive, believe me

I hope so. I'm not trying to be skeptical, but it's just weird to think these chips that were in ipads and phones...or advance variations of these chips will be beating intel chips....

I hope they do and really push intel to innovate.

* I'm just going to get the 2020 imac with the last intel, and by the time I switch to an ARM imac, there should be a new design, hopefully a new color(space gray please!), and would be into 3rd or 4th gen of these chips..

It's exciting times....It's my first mac since 2007 so I'm excited regardless, but I can't wait to see what these new chips actually do.

 

[richinaus]

I hope so. I'm not trying to be skeptical, but it's just weird to think these chips that were in ipads and phones...or advance variations of these chips will be beating intel chips....

I hope they do and really push intel to innovate.

* I'm just going to get the 2020 imac with the last intel, and by the time I switch to an ARM imac, there should be a new design, hopefully a new color(space gray please!), and would be into 3rd or 4th gen of these chips..

It's exciting times....It's my first mac since 2007 so I'm excited regardless, but I can't wait to see what these new chips actually do.

these are exciting times, however I have strong doubts that Apple will release this new designed iMac at the end of its Intel run.
I am looking forward to the new iMac as much as anyone and could do with one now but for Apple to make a statement of intent, it will be smashing Intel in speed together with a brand new design.

A couple of months is nothing really to wait, and their sales wont change too much with a new design or not in the near term.

So my money is on the rumoured new design in October / early 2021, together with a brand new MacBook design both with AS smashing the competition. Why would they bother otherwise?

 

[FrankySavvy]

A good reason to redesign the last Intel iMac is to up sales of the Intel Macs now that they are on there way out. It’s a good overlap and transition. The Pro machines like high end iMac and MacPro will have Intel chips through at-least the end of 2021 anyway. Performance will go up when they put an Apple Silicon chip in the same chassis.

 

[DQ11]

Okay so I was thinking about the iMac Pro, the Sonny Dickson Rumor, 27" Shipping Delays, Kuo rumors and well I had some thoughts that might make sense of it all.

The new iMac Pro

Any day from now until July 30th (3Q Investors Call) Apple releases an all new redesigned iMac 27" which they might just call iMac Pro. Discontinuing the current iMac Pro and 27" iMac. They will also refresh the 21.5 with upgraded internals.

Why release before July 30th?

Releasing this before the investors call would be a good way to cover the poor COVID-19 related sales numbers.

Why a redesign, not a refresh?

The new 27" iMac "Pro" will have the all new iPad inspired design with XDR bezels, 10th Gen Intel Processors, NAVI graphics, no fusion drives, based on the Sonny Dickson leak and the leaked benchmark. Originally they wanted to launch at WWDC but pulled last minute because of ARM announcement. Hence the long/strange 27" iMac shipping times. My opinion if it was just a refresh it would have come already.

But why call is iMac Pro?

The 2017 iMac Pro at the $4999 price point was originally created to offer pros an alternative to the trash can MacPro, but with the arrival of the new MacPro, the iMac Pro can evolve down to a more prosumer device like an MacBook Pro is Pro

What about the September/October Events?

There is no way Apple crams everything in one massive event.

In a September Event Apple will strictly focus on iPhone, Apple Watch, Apple TV, HomePods, AirPods, Airtags. No need to stuff everything in one event as some would say, that would be marketing overload.

In an October Event Apple will reveal an all new AS MacBook with all new design, and an all new AS 24" iMac with the iPad Pro inspired design language.

This aligns with Kuo stating an Intel iMac release in Q3 and Apple Silicon 24" iMac in Q4.

In Conclusion

I think Sonny Dickson heard a correct leak but the release changed. This is also why shipping dates are so out of wack right now because the supply chain was expecting a June release. The leaked benchmark confirmed that Sonny was correct on the internals so why not the redesign as well. This release would align with Ming Chi Kuo as well and make sense of the crazy shipping times.

At this point whenever the 27” iMac releases I am pretty sure it just won’t be a spec bump.

I like this theory and hope you are right....I'm ok with the 2019 imac as it looks now, but I'd prefer smaller bezels.
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A good reason to redesign the last Intel iMac is to up sales of the Intel Macs now that they are on there way out. It’s a good overlap and transition. The Pro machines like high end iMac and MacPro will have Intel chips through at-least the end of 2021 anyway. Performance will go up when they put an Apple Silicon chip in the same chassis.

Also, can test out the new design and see what works and what doesn't....and then make tweaks for the newer Arm chip imacs.

 

[richinaus]

I like this theory and hope you are right....I'm ok with the 2019 imac as it looks now, but I'd prefer smaller bezels.
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Also, can test out the new design and see what works and what doesn't....and then make tweaks for the newer Arm chip imacs.

I may well be wrong, but I bet I am not. I am in the design business and no client or myself would ever launch a full new design when they knew in 6 months time they would be making a massive change. It simply makes no sense. But I could be wrong.....

 

[FrankySavvy]

I may well be wrong, but I bet I am not. I am in the design business and no client or myself would ever launch a full new design when they knew in 6 months time they would be making a massive change. It simply makes no sense. But I could be wrong.....

the outside would not change between Intel and Apple Silicon. The redesign would be the redesign. Internally they change some design between Intel and Apple Silicon. The consumer doesn’t see any change on the outside, perfect way to transition.

 

[pldelisle]

Ahaha both of your have valid point. It’s literally like Schrödinger's cat.

 

[richinaus]

the outside would not change between Intel and Apple Silicon. The redesign would be the redesign. Internally they change some design between Intel and Apple Silicon. The consumer doesn’t see any change on the outside, perfect way to transition.

Depends whether they want to make a big deal of it or not. If they don’t want consumers to notice then yes, you are right, they may well do this.

Given the AS will probably require less cooling and space the design shouldn’t be compromised just to have some Intel chip in for a few months.

Could go either way, but I still think I am right on this.

 

[FrankySavvy]

Depends whether they want to make a big deal of it or not. If they don’t want consumers to notice then yes, you are right, they may well do this.

Given the AS will probably require less cooling and space the design shouldn’t be compromised just to have some Intel chip in for a few months.

Could go either way, but I still think I am right on this.

I understand, however the iMac has more room in its chassis then let’s say an iPhone or iPad due to the large display. Extra room for cooling could even give further performance to an Apple Silicon chip.

 

[iindigo]

I understand, however the iMac has more room in its chassis then let’s say an iPhone or iPad due to the large display. Extra room for cooling could even give further performance to an Apple Silicon chip.

Yeah there's no real downside to more-robust-than-necessary cooling. Relative to the cost of the machine it costs almost nothing, and everybody likes a machine that can do more without having to ramp fans up (or keep fans low and throttle + fry).