Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

[iPadified]

This whole AS transition has parallels to other markets.

Some decades ago, there was a transition from heavy displacement boats in sailing to low displacement boats. The results was transforming regarding speed of sailing. There are some interesting history in Americas cup regarding this transition.

Car industry has went from high petrol usage to low petrol usage and those that did not adapt to this change had too close.

Intel/AMD/NVIDIA stands for the heavy displacement and high petrol usage regime. ARM and AS (mobile) stands for the complete opposite and will "win".

In this thread we are moslyt focused on performance but fan free passive cooling is equally important for people. That is what impresses me with the iPad. It does exports of movies completely silently. I clocked movie generation from Keynote animation of the A9X and an eight core xeon, the A9X was as fast as the Xeon... An AS chip that has 2-3 times the performance of the A12Z and passively cooled would be a very nice for an office/home 24 inch iMac.

 

[ssong]

Okay so I was thinking about the iMac Pro, the Sonny Dickson Rumor, 27" Shipping Delays, Kuo rumors and well I had some thoughts that might make sense of it all.

The new iMac Pro

Any day from now until July 30th (3Q Investors Call) Apple releases an all new redesigned iMac 27" which they might just call iMac Pro. Discontinuing the current iMac Pro and 27" iMac. They will also refresh the 21.5 with upgraded internals.

Why release before July 30th?

Releasing this before the investors call would be a good way to cover the poor COVID-19 related sales numbers.

Why a redesign, not a refresh?

The new 27" iMac "Pro" will have the all new iPad inspired design with XDR bezels, 10th Gen Intel Processors, NAVI graphics, no fusion drives, based on the Sonny Dickson leak and the leaked benchmark. Originally they wanted to launch at WWDC but pulled last minute because of ARM announcement. Hence the long/strange 27" iMac shipping times. My opinion if it was just a refresh it would have come already.

But why call is iMac Pro?

The 2017 iMac Pro at the $4999 price point was originally created to offer pros an alternative to the trash can MacPro, but with the arrival of the new MacPro, the iMac Pro can evolve down to a more prosumer device like an MacBook Pro is Pro

What about the September/October Events?

There is no way Apple crams everything in one massive event.

In a September Event Apple will strictly focus on iPhone, Apple Watch, Apple TV, HomePods, AirPods, Airtags. No need to stuff everything in one event as some would say, that would be marketing overload.

In an October Event Apple will reveal an all new AS MacBook with all new design, and an all new AS 24" iMac with the iPad Pro inspired design language.

This aligns with Kuo stating an Intel iMac release in Q3 and Apple Silicon 24" iMac in Q4.

In Conclusion

I think Sonny Dickson heard a correct leak but the release changed. This is also why shipping dates are so out of wack right now because the supply chain was expecting a June release. The leaked benchmark confirmed that Sonny was correct on the internals so why not the redesign as well. This release would align with Ming Chi Kuo as well and make sense of the crazy shipping times.

At this point whenever the 27” iMac releases I am pretty sure it just won’t be a spec bump.

I think it’s worth noting that Apple has missed the window for sales improvements for the Q3FY20 earnings call as their Q3 ended end of June.

And Kuo is already expecting on quarter growth of 20% in Mac sales, not sure what that looks like on YoY growth but I don’t think Apple had a bad quarter as I think there was a report about good iPad sales as well.

I too am sceptical about September release of everything cos that would kinda mess their FY21 up unless they had a new device refresh calendar that we don’t know of. But given that Q4 sales will be boosted by back to school promotions Apple’s next window for device releases would sadly be September for early Q1FY21 (October 2020 - December 2020) sales boost and steady sales going into Q2FY21

 

[DrRadon]

Yeah, everything in September would be wacky, but this iMac can’t be delayed infinitely. At some point they need to start selling it unless they want the hardware to be even more dated than Apple hardware tends to be. We Think know pretty much everything in this machines for a few month now.

here is me just hopping for next week Wednesday. But there is a risk that apples next news cycle will be about all the gold master updates going live so...

 

[zerofour]

I'm running a 2013 iMac with 8GB to do a ton of music production and HD video. It ran out of memory last week when doing one video project and shut down Mail! I've got external drives galore but need to upgrade fairly urgently. So while it's hugely exciting to know about the move to ARM, my needs are a wee bit more urgent. Another 8GB RAM may help a bit but am half tempted to get the 16" MBP and grab a screen, rather than wait for an update (or wait until September on Apple store for a current 27 iMac with SSD - with little refurbs available at Apple and shortages beyond the standard models - UK). This is when it'd be nice to get a small Intel upgrade!

 

[iPadified]

I like this theory and hope you are right....I'm ok with the 2019 imac as it looks now, but I'd prefer smaller bezels.
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Also, can test out the new design and see what works and what doesn't....and then make tweaks for the newer Arm chip imacs.

Shrinking bezels on the current iMac Pro is a minor change to the case and the inside layout with minimum impact on cooling. That is definitely doable and a cheap way to make it look new and modern.I trust the iMac Pro cooling solution more than a cooling cooling solution of a new iPad Pro style of case for Intel/AMD components.

 

[The_Lord_of_Apple]

It also wouldn't be a stretch to imagine that the GPU development began along side the CPU development which would put the R&D start time to around 2008 / 2009.

Perhaps you are right that they would have started playing around with this idea years ago because I remember I started working on 3G/3.5F SoC development back in 2001 that was the same time Apple started experimenting around with the idea of a touch interface for what has become the iPhone. There was an interview floating around with Steve Jobs where he had discussed all this. So hence I won't be surprised if ARM has been in their labs for a few years.

Back in 2001, I was on the bleeding edge of design albeit I was more on the silicon side and had glimpses of how the application layer was being developed which were nowhere near Apple's exploratory touch interface.
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When you're iPad has seen a x1000 gpu improvement...

I see quoting you are quoting Apple's marketing line. Which doesn't mean much when it comes to desktop hardware and it doesn't imply that they have the GPU design figured out at scale.

 

[krazzix]

Why is there an iMac with a Intel Core i9-10900K on geekbench

iMac19,1 - Geekbench

Benchmark results for an iMac19,1 with an Intel Core i9-10900K processor.

browser.geekbench.com

 

[pldelisle]

Why is there an iMac with a Intel Core i9-10900K on geekbench

iMac19,1 - Geekbench

Benchmark results for an iMac19,1 with an Intel Core i9-10900K processor.

browser.geekbench.com

I don't trust anything like that until I see a new iMac on apple.com.

 

[Azrael9]

Last step is to then stick the completely processed images into a folder in my Pictures folder, appropriately named "Edited Images") and copy each also into any other folder into which it might need to live (I am doing a 52 Weeks project so have a folder for each week so far). Once all that is done, I immediately plug in my external SSD and copy all the images to the folders in that device, too. At this point is where I also move the original folder of unprocessed RAW images off the desktop and into the SSD for safekeeping. Once everything is updated on the SSD I eventually copy it all to a second SSD and a third. (One of these is destined to go to the bank safety deposit box, which I do once a month, where I swap out the one which is currently in the box for the one I've just updated.) At the end of the year the whole works is then copied to the archival HDD.

Replacing Adobe products with Photos + add-ons

Raw Power can access the Photos library directly, so you can do batch processing etc. just as in Lightroom while it is attached straight to your iPhoto cloud and keeps albums and such stuff. Extremely useful! https://gentlemencoders.com

forums.macrumors.com

For those with workflow curiosity and using external SSDs and archival HDDs...

This particular Mac user is very systematic. Particularly the part about the 'latest' project SSD going into a safety deposit box. (I learned a thing or two from this user's workflow.)

Commendable lengths to ensure project back up integrity.

Here, the user's desktop environment for workflow is very temporary before moving the data off the main boot drive thus keeping the boot drive unburdened over time.

I think it was Anthony (from this thread) who seemed 'curious' about workflows. But it's something I found interesting as an iMac owner. (I've certainly been taught a lesson with my current iMac falling over...) We don't get alot of internal storage and if you have lots of data or many big projects...moving them off main drive onto back up SSDs and archival HDDs seems the logical way to go.

Azrael.

 

[gusping]

I don't trust anything like that until I see a new iMac on apple.com.

Me too! It is too easy to spoof Geekbench results.

I suspect it's just Azrael with his new PC build, after being so sick of waiting for a new iMac

 

[pldelisle]

Last step is to then stick the completely processed images into a folder in my Pictures folder, appropriately named "Edited Images") and copy each also into any other folder into which it might need to live (I am doing a 52 Weeks project so have a folder for each week so far). Once all that is done, I immediately plug in my external SSD and copy all the images to the folders in that device, too. At this point is where I also move the original folder of unprocessed RAW images off the desktop and into the SSD for safekeeping. Once everything is updated on the SSD I eventually copy it all to a second SSD and a third. (One of these is destined to go to the bank safety deposit box, which I do once a month, where I swap out the one which is currently in the box for the one I've just updated.) At the end of the year the whole works is then copied to the archival HDD.

You really should get a NAS. A lot less user manipulation, a lot safer and a lot more systematic backup.

 

[Azrael9]

I may well be wrong, but I bet I am not. I am in the design business and no client or myself would ever launch a full new design when they knew in 6 months time they would be making a massive change. It simply makes no sense. But I could be wrong.....

Yet they brought out the Mac Pro knowing full well they were going to Mac AS.

Azrael.

 

[pldelisle]

Yet they brought out the Mac Pro knowing full well they were going to Mac AS.

Azrael.

Yeah but in the same time they are knowing every single bit of their chip design and roadmap, and they couldn't extend the Mac Pro and keep the trash can before releasing a 28 core Apple Silicon or an AS matching this Xeon performance.

 

[Azrael9]

Gamers still represent a huge part of Nvidia's revenue. While we don't know about their long-term roadmap, maybe they envision something bigger than supplying GPUs to gamers. But they mostly use the Apple's model.

They made their top high-end GPU pass from 300$ (GTX680) to 3000$ (RTX Titan), just like the iPhone skyrocketed in prices the last decade. To finance what ? Better software (CUDA is a GPGPU "proprietary standard"m the most powerful and deployed parallel programming API in the world), better hardware (GPUs with Tensor Core, more and more specific parts of the silicon targeted more and more toward ML), ultimately revolutions (ARM switch and own custom Silicon for ALL Apple products).

So is Nvidia preppin' something big in the coming years ? I'd say yes. Nvidia is involved in Linux. Nvidia is involved with TSMC. They could adapt a Linux distribution on their own SoC maybe. Something that will accelerate greatly research or ML and will leap frog the research industry. Nvidia has the workforce in software and hardware to make something really big.

It still takes days to train neural networks.

Nvidia eclipses Intel as most valuable U.S. chipmaker

Nvidia <NVDA.O> has overtaken Intel <INTC.O> for the first time as the most valuable U.S. chipmaker.

www.reuters.com

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Why is there an iMac with a Intel Core i9-10900K on geekbench

iMac19,1 - Geekbench

Benchmark results for an iMac19,1 with an Intel Core i9-10900K processor.

browser.geekbench.com

"Could be."

Be we take them as mere tea leaves from Delphi.

All the fluttering rumour butterflies...begin to form a pattern.

So whether it's 100% true or not. It would the be 'kind of thing' we can expect. Results wise.

We seek only confirmation from Apple whether it is a lower power version (likely...) and whether performance matches this 'leak.'

The specs are pretty academic. Most of the 'rumours' are pointing to the 'same' thing. There's nothing exotic about having SSDs as standard or year old RDNA gpus. And Apple have form for putting prices up in the last ten years.

Azrael.
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You really should get a NAS. A lot less user manipulation, a lot safer and a lot more systematic backup.

NAS?

Azrael.

 

[pldelisle]

NAS?

Azrael.

Network Attached Storage.

Download Center - download | Synology Inc.

Centralize data storage and backup, streamline file collaboration, optimize video management, and secure network deployment to facilitate data management.

www.synology.com

 

[Freida]

Don't take it personally but can I please use your post as an example for what I am thinking when I see similar things?
I hope you don't mind, please.

So -

I often find these posts amusing as its hard to believe that a person that has a machine that he/she was fine with for 7!!! years is now suddenly super urgent to upgrade and can't wait few more weeks/months. There are exceptions of course - ie. when the machine breaks or when one changes jobs and ones needs change BUT when one was fine with the machine for so long (and in this case even no upgrade on ram) then I'm sure it can wait a touch longer.

Anyway, everyone is different and things happen or change but I always feel that the 'urgent' need is driven more by desire than the need itself. I know that feeling as I often have the urge to upgrade but then I realise that it has been ok for so long that I can wait a little longer
( I still have Air 2 that I would like to upgrade to 12,9" Pro but I'm not buying bending ones so I'll wait for Apple to fix it. 2020 model was laughable upgrade anyway)

Its all about the value and need. I guess the whole reason behind this post was that most people exaggerate the need part with these old machines.

Little bit unrelated point - I always admire people who manage to keep machines this long. Well, I admire people who don't upgrade iPhone each year more but this is amazing also. I don't like people who chase to have the latest tech each year as that is incredibly selfish behaviour on their part. So, good job for keeping yours that long. I've never had computer this long (5 years was max) but I hope this iMac will be one that will last me a long time. I no longer travel like crazy etc. so I guess I am now in life position to be able to keep stuff and not reselling them because of changing countries
Lets see though, anyway, hope its all good. It was peaceful post so please don't take it badly

I'm running a 2013 iMac with 8GB to do a ton of music production and HD video. It ran out of memory last week when doing one video project and shut down Mail! I've got external drives galore but need to upgrade fairly urgently. So while it's hugely exciting to know about the move to ARM, my needs are a wee bit more urgent. Another 8GB RAM may help a bit but am half tempted to get the 16" MBP and grab a screen, rather than wait for an update (or wait until September on Apple store for a current 27 iMac with SSD - with little refurbs available at Apple and shortages beyond the standard models - UK). This is when it'd be nice to get a small Intel upgrade!

 

[Azrael9]

Perhaps you are right that they would have started playing around with this idea years ago because I remember I started working on 3G/3.5F SoC development back in 2001 that was the same time Apple started experimenting around with the idea of a touch interface for what has become the iPhone. There was an interview floating around with Steve Jobs where he had discussed all this. So hence I won't be surprised if ARM has been in their labs for a few years.

Back in 2001, I was on the bleeding edge of design albeit I was more on the silicon side and had glimpses of how the application layer was being developed which were nowhere near Apple's exploratory touch interface.
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I see quoting you are quoting Apple's marketing line. Which doesn't mean much when it comes to desktop hardware and it doesn't imply that they have the GPU design figured out at scale.

We have to be realistic when quoting anything from Apple's marketing. Though stylish and occasionally invigorating...does contain its fair share of slight of hands. (eg. Comparing a recent gpu to a computer which they haven't updated in 6 or 4 years.)

As such. x1000. The iPad started at a low base. (But so did alot of products like Netbooks and ultra portable form factors...not to take anything away from Apple's achievements in total. Truly, the iPad and it's A12z are truly formidable products as the Android competition have found out.) But much of the early gains were probably low hanging fruit. ie. In the last few years...those kind of leaps and bounds in the cpu and gpu haven't been quite so dramatic...and it's noteworthy that Apple didn't do an A13x. So that the improvement from A12z to A14x will seem more dramatic. And the comparison to the AS14 compared to the A12z should be very dramatic indeed with whispers of 50-100% more improvement over Intel's performance.)

We only have to look at the current decrepid state of consumer Macs and the Mac desktop in general to know *not* to buy into Apple's marketing.

But there is a new dawn on the horizon.

Azrael.
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Network Attached Storage.

Download Center - download | Synology Inc.

Centralize data storage and backup, streamline file collaboration, optimize video management, and secure network deployment to facilitate data management.

www.synology.com

Thank you, pldelisle, I'll have a read of that.

Azrael.

 

[pldelisle]

Thank you, pldelisle, I'll have a read of that.

Before diving in ML, I was a network engineer (Cisco and all that stuff). I have my personal Home networking lab (Cisco 2821 enterprise router, Cisco 2960-S switch, Synology DS1513+ NAS, compute server (prior it was an ESXi VM server with vSphere), Unifi Wifi access point and controller ...) I designed networks for all sort of clients, even gold mines ahah.

 

[Azrael9]

I'm running a 2013 iMac with 8GB to do a ton of music production and HD video. It ran out of memory last week when doing one video project and shut down Mail! I've got external drives galore but need to upgrade fairly urgently. So while it's hugely exciting to know about the move to ARM, my needs are a wee bit more urgent. Another 8GB RAM may help a bit but am half tempted to get the 16" MBP and grab a screen, rather than wait for an update (or wait until September on Apple store for a current 27 iMac with SSD - with little refurbs available at Apple and shortages beyond the standard models - UK). This is when it'd be nice to get a small Intel upgrade!

I'd only go Macbook Pro if you are intending to move around more as opposed to being 'boat anchored' to an iMac.

If you've waited this long, September is just around the corner. We're half way through July now.

My Mac is stone cold 'walking dead' to me. But there's no way in hell I'm buying any of Apple or Craig's 'If you need a Mac buy now mantra...' only to get 'iBooked' a month later with something that is far cheaper in value terms and buries it in performance.

If you £££ earn your living from your Mac. And it falls over? That's a different thing. You'd probably be 'forced' to go for the Macbook Pro as you say.

But my current situation has taught me a lesson. Next time? I'll be dual Mac / PC workstation. If one falls over? I'll have a back up. And I may even have a 3rd computer as a back up server (Perhaps a Mac AS Mini...what say you , gusping... ) And if the gpu fails on my PC? Pull it out. Replace. If the gpu fails on the Intel iMac? I'll probably have an RDNA2 eGPU as back up.

Azrael.
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Before diving in ML, I was a network engineer (Cisco and all that stuff). I have my personal Home networking lab (Cisco 2821 enterprise router, Cisco 2960-S switch, Synology DS1513+ NAS, compute server (prior it was an ESXi VM server with vSphere), Unifi Wifi access point and controller ...) I designed networks for all sort of clients, even gold mines ahah.

So is a NAS feasible for the 'lone wolf' artist who has a Mac...PC...and a back up Mac ARM AS Mini?

How much are we looking at?

Azrael.
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Before diving in ML, I was a network engineer (Cisco and all that stuff). I have my personal Home networking lab (Cisco 2821 enterprise router, Cisco 2960-S switch, Synology DS1513+ NAS, compute server (prior it was an ESXi VM server with vSphere), Unifi Wifi access point and controller ...) I designed networks for all sort of clients, even gold mines ahah.

There's alot more 'ransomware' floating around. I note on one of the 3rd party suppliers, I just read they have a Ransom Ware FAQ which was an interesting read.

With some sound advice. Re: back ups, OS updating and Firewalls (ie get a strong one.)

Azrael.
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Shrinking bezels on the current iMac Pro is a minor change to the case and the inside layout with minimum impact on cooling. That is definitely doable and a cheap way to make it look new and modern.I trust the iMac Pro cooling solution more than a cooling cooling solution of a new iPad Pro style of case for Intel/AMD components.

They've got plenty of room in there for cooling. The iMac Pro is, in many ways, the ultimate iMac with great cooling.

3 years later. Time to bring those 'luxuries' to the consumer line.

Azrael.

 

[DrRadon]

Than again even the iMac Pro with beefy gpu gets outperformed by a hackintosh with a lower end GPU due to better cooling.
I think we all know apple won't legit next level the iMacs cooling with ARM around the corner... so i guess.... thats just what we take.

 

[pldelisle]

So is a NAS feasible for the 'lone wolf' artist who has a Mac...PC...and a back up Mac ARM AS Mini?

How much are we looking at?

Fore sure.

Synology/QNAP are expansive machines, but they last and they are supported for long. Good Hard drives are expansive too (Western Digital GOLD drives). As I can count, it would cost 900 British Pounds for a Synology NAS DS920+ with 3 4 TB WD Gold drives (12 TB, 8 TB accessible, RAID 5). But you have this for 10+ years. Mine is already 7 years, Intel based CPU, and still supported.

There's alot more 'ransomware' floating around. I note on one of the 3rd party suppliers, I just read they have a Ransom Ware FAQ which was an interesting read.

With some sound advice. Re: back ups, OS updating and Firewalls (ie get a strong one.)

My Cisco 2821 is definitively overdue. But I'm waiting for the Ubiquiti Unifi UXG-Pro to release. It has built-in IPS/IDS/Firewall at 3.5+ gbps routing capacity. Will be my router for the next 10 years. UDM-Pro is also nice, but I've deployed Unifi USG at other's family home (since then, I never get the "My internet doesn't work" phone call) so I want to be able to remotely manage sites and create site-to-site VPN connections.

 

[Azrael9]

Yeah, everything in September would be wacky, but this iMac can’t be delayed infinitely. *(Azrael insert: 'Don't tempt them, Dr...they have form.) At some point they need to start selling it unless they want the hardware to be even more dated than Apple hardware tends to be. (Azrael insert: 'Ouch.') We Think know pretty much everything in this machines for a few month now. (Azrael insert: 'Yes. The general idea, we pretty much have. The only 'ifs' are design or access to the BTO RDNA2 which likely ships in Sept' along with the 'new' Intel iMac.)

here is me just hopping for next week Wednesday. But there is a risk that apples next news cycle will be about all the gold master updates going live so... (Azrael insert: I think we're all 'hopping' for next Wednesday... )

Keep the faith, true believer!

There was one 'repackaged' article that said the iMac would release within 'one month' of it's date which was the 28th of June. Which would have the iMac release by the 28th of July. That kind of aligns with your thoughts.

Apple said AS hardware before the end of the year. But they didn't specify iMac. More likely in the laptops, I'd have thought as its a much bigger market for them and the performance gains will be far more dramatic in an Air or Macbook 12 inch product compared to the competition.

Ming has said recently(?) that the iMac 24 is more likely early next year.

So if the Intel iMac launches 'now' (July) then it has half a year 'run' until the iMac 24 AS14. If it launches in September 2020? It gives it a whole year before the 'BIG' iMac AS 27/30/32 drops (fall 2021) featuring the AS15(?)

Azrael.
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Fore sure.

Synology/QNAP are expansive machines, but they last and they are supported for long. Good Hard drives are expansive too (Western Digital GOLD drives). As I can count, it would cost 900 British Pounds for a Synology NAS DS920+ with 3 4 TB WD Gold drives (12 TB, 8 TB accessible, RAID 5). But you have this for 10+ years. Mine is already 7 years, Intel based CPU, and still supported.



My Cisco 2821 is definitively overdue. But I'm waiting for the Ubiquiti Unifi UXG-Pro to release. It has built-in IPS/IDS/Firewall at 3.5+ gbps routing capacity. Will be my router for the next 10 years. UDM-Pro is also nice, but I've deployed Unifi USG at other's family home (since then, I never get the "My internet doesn't work" phone call) so I want to be able to remotely manage sites and create site-to-site VPN connections.

Thank you. Gold mine advice. Much appreciated.

I suppose by the time you're done adding 2 drives (apps and data to supplement the boot drive) to the iMac, 2 drives to the PC, 2 drives to your server back up. You're not 'that' far off a NAS?

Azrael.

 

[pldelisle]

I suppose by the time you're done adding 2 drives (apps and data to supplement the boot drive) to the iMac, 2 drives to the PC, 2 drives to your server back up. You're not 'that' far off a NAS?

Exactly. And it's a lot safer way to keep data. It's not a backup thought. RAID is not a backup, it provides you uptime. I still have a 2 TB external USB HDD to backup the most important things from the NAS. Some has two : one at home, one at the bank, rotate them every month.

But good firewall is very, very important.

 

[DrRadon]

I would assume that even most of the BTO options are ordered and bought ahead of time by Apple. Yeah, you might get one more BTO option just like the MBP gained one half a year in, but all the rest stays as planed.
Whatever is missing and causing the delay (if production shortage is the issue), everything else has already been ordered and is sitting somewhere. This machine is aging even though it's not released IF the GPUs and CPUs we expect are the actual plan.

 

[FrankySavvy]

Keep the faith, true believer!

There was one 'repackaged' article that said the iMac would release within 'one month' of it's date which was the 28th of June. Which would have the iMac release by the 28th of July. That kind of aligns with your thoughts.

Apple said AS hardware before the end of the year. But they didn't specify iMac. More likely in the laptops, I'd have thought as its a much bigger market for them and the performance gains will be far more dramatic in an Air or Macbook 12 inch product compared to the competition.

Ming has said recently(?) that the iMac 24 is more likely early next year.

So if the Intel iMac launches 'now' (July) then it has half a year 'run' until the iMac 24 AS14. If it launches in September 2020? It gives it a whole year before the 'BIG' iMac AS 27/30/32 drops (fall 2021) featuring the AS15(?)

Azrael.
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Thank you. Gold mine advice. Much appreciated.

I suppose by the time you're done adding 2 drives (apps and data to supplement the boot drive) to the iMac, 2 drives to the PC, 2 drives to your server back up. You're not 'that' far off a NAS?

Azrael.

Does anyone have the article where Ming Chi Kuo said that the 24” AS iMac was launching in 2021 Instead?