Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

[DrRadon]

What's the matter for carrying a little thunderbolt hub like a Satechi ?

You are asking me why i don't want to buy a 100$ accessory to my xxxx€ Computer that i can forget at home (or even worse can forget someplace when i am out) instead of having a all in one solution like before that worked perfectly fine and fits neatly in my one Laptop bag?

Why do "we" "prefer" a All in One iMac to a Mac Tower with way better cooling options?
Because it's the only solution they give us.

Sugar Baby Apple is not always right. And if the sugar baby is not behaving properly you stop throwing money at it for it's next "one and only" solution. The MacBook lineup had tons of problems for the past (almost) four years. I am not putting down 2000-3000€ on one of those. Nope. No way. Not happening.
And if you want me to go 4.000€ for a 16 inch because that "fits my job better in power" then please have the decency to put a flipping normal USB, a flipping SD Card slot and a HDMI out on that giant pice of aluminum and just take a dump on being one millimeter thinner while you put out a SmartKeyBoardTrackpad for 34123€ that makes the iPad thicker than the entire Laptop Lineup.
It's just stupid. No way i am buying any of those unless the world actually gets to the standard of using USB-C/Thunderbold.
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Software support for Intel Macs in 5 years, yes, sure.

Hardware wise? Apple shipped its last PPC Mac in October 2005, just 9 months after announcing the transition to Intel in January of that same year.

Why dos that matter? You have the machine. It gets supported. Thats what you want?

 

[Azrael9]

Yep, exactly. He described his needs and we offered solution to help him wait. No need for that bad article that is clearly written by someone who didn't actually want to find new workflow.

I think that can be part of the thing with Mac to iPad. (Why isn't it working like my Mac? Er...because it's not a Mac...exactly...)

It's about learning new paradigms.

For adults, that can be harder the older we get.

Many people like what they get used to. Even if it's stockholm syndrome in some regards. And people can defend corporations with their dying breaths. (It's just a company. You pay your hard earned money for a product. It either meets your needs or not. Corporations don't have beating hearts. They'll hold onto your last penny at times rather than admitting their keyboards sucked...because that means liability for flawed design etc. etc.)

It can be tribal.

Taking the iPad at what it's good at? It's good at a hell of a lot of things. Apple have a very good track record with iPad. (Apart from the 'bendy' 12.9 inch A12z one...I call it the 'iBanana.')

I'll be getting an A14 based one. (Hopefully it won't flex as much.)

It's a good thing to keep on learning new workflows. It can lead to greater efficiency and new horizons...

...thinking different...

Azrael.

 

[Icaras]

Why dos that matter? You have the machine. It gets supported. Thats what you want?

Im responding to your statement implying Apple may continue releasing Intel machines for the next 5 years. I’m just pointing out the series of events that took place during the last transition.

Edit: If you weren't referring to hardware, then my mistake.

 

[JMacHack]

Remember this is the company that still sells spinning drives stock in 2020 & puts Hot intel chips In new units without proper cooling.

I‘m an Apple fan for life, but let’s not pretend that they don’t make head scratching dumb mistakes at times.

I would file those under "cheap" decisions rather than outright stupidity. Botching the transition to their own chips would likely kill the Mac line entirely.

 

[Azrael9]

Software support for Intel Macs in 5 years, yes, sure.

Hardware wise? Apple shipped its last PPC Mac in October 2005, just 9 months after announcing the transition to Intel in January of that same year.

Heh....yes...'support' for Intel Macs in 5 years...heh...heh...heh...as they chloroform and de-emphasise Intel Macs right after the last Mac ARM ships. With a 'brand new' OS release that completely optimises the hell out of Mac ARM with bags of new exclusive features and software 'not' available to intel Macs...

Hardware. 9 months. That was quicker than Steve said it was going to be.

I have little reason to believe Apple won't pull a similar trick this time. (I'd go 7 months consumer from the 1st Mac ARM released.)

Azrael.

 

[DrRadon]

Im responding to your statement implying Apple may continue releasing Intel machines for the next 5 years. I’m just pointing out the series of events that took place during the last transition.

I never said that. I was only talking about supporting them.
We all know they will be don with the transition in two years because that is what they announced.

 

[Icaras]

I never said that. I was only talking about supporting them.
We all know they will be don with the transition in two years because that is what they announced.

Yea, I read your high end 27-inch iMac and Mac Pro at the end of your sentence and was thinking that's what you meant. Apologies.

However, anyone wishing to purchase one of these higher end machines within the next two years is going to have to grapple with the notion that their Intel Mac will be EOL sooner, rather than later. Just a thought.

 

[Azrael9]

Im responding to your statement implying Apple may continue releasing Intel machines for the next 5 years. I’m just pointing out the series of events that took place during the last transition.

I think the iMac will be the last Intel Mac release.

I don't see them releasing Intel machines for 5, 2 or 1 more year. I think the next Intel iMac? Is it.

Within 7 months all consumer Macs AS will be done relative to the 1st release. iMac 24, Mini, Air, MB 13...that covers most of the unit sales and £££. Then it's just a matter of the larger screened iMac.

Why bother doing anything Intel with the iMac Pro or Mac Pro for their unit sales sales?

May as well wait until next fall and the AS15 and put it in the large iMac.

But thought: a dated large iMac alongside the new ARM 24 iMac. For a year?

Azrael.

 

[Icaras]

Heh....yes...'support' for Intel Macs in 5 years...heh...heh...heh...as they chloroform and de-emphasise Intel Macs right after the last Mac ARM ships. With a 'brand new' OS release that completely optimises the hell out of Mac ARM with bags of new exclusive features and software 'not' available to intel Macs...

Hardware. 9 months. That was quicker than Steve said it was going to be.

I have little reason to believe Apple won't pull a similar trick this time. (I'd go 7 months consumer from the 1st Mac ARM released.)

Azrael.

I mean, with Apple's resources today, compared to 2005....This is a mountain they can easily move.

 

[pldelisle]

You are asking me why i don't want to buy a 100$ accessory to my xxxx€ Computer that i can forget at home (or even worse can forget someplace when i am out) instead of having a all in one solution like before that worked perfectly fine and fits neatly in my one Laptop bag?

Why do "we" "prefer" a All in One iMac to a Mac Tower with way better cooling options?
Because it's the only solution they give us.

Sugar Baby Apple is not always right. And if the sugar baby is not behaving properly you stop throwing money at it for it's next "one and only" solution. The MacBook lineup had tons of problems for the past (almost) four years. I am not putting down 2000-3000€ on one of those. Nope. No way. Not happening.
And if you want me to go 4.000€ for a 16 inch because that "fits my job better in power" then please have the decency to put a flipping normal USB, a flipping SD Card slot and a HDMI out on that giant pice of aluminum and just take a dump on being one millimeter thinner while you put out a SmartKeyBoardTrackpad for 34123€ that makes the iPad thicker than the entire Laptop Lineup.
It's just stupid. No way i am buying any of those unless the world actually gets to the standard of using USB-C/Thunderbold.
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Why dos that matter? You have the machine. It gets supported. Thats what you want?

Seriously.
While being on the road, I can’t remember when I needed to do any of what you mentioned about ports.
I might not use my laptop like everybody else.
I understand why Apple went with thunderbolt only (mainly for internals) and I understand tomorrow will be more and more usb-C. And I also understand that for compatibility reasons I can have to carry a small lightweight adapter. At home, I have a Docking station to which I plug my Mac to.

iMac with only Thunderbolt and Ethernet port ? Anytime.
I think you are a bit stubborn and living in the past...

 

[Azrael9]

Yea, I read your high end 27-inch iMac and Mac Pro at the end of your sentence and was thinking that's what you meant. Apologies.

But anyone wishing to purchase one of these higher end machines next year is going to have to grapple with the notion that their Intel Mac will be EOL sooner, rather than later. Just a thought.

I think they'll 'EoL' their Intel Mac machines and 'base' through marketing, review sites and yes, OS features, design and hardware spec.

Azrael.
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I mean, with Apple's resources today, compared to 2005....This is a mountain they can easily move.

Yup.

This is nowhere near teh same transition.

They've been doing the transition under our noses since...well. Long time.

They've been prototyping the A chip in phones and pads. Ten years of expertise there that couldn't be matched by Intel, NV or AMD or M$.

And the Rosetta 2 seems even more impressive this time. More advanced. And M$/Adobe are already on this transition which tells its own story. And they have to compete with? Something the last Mac transition didn't have.

Millions upon millions of iOS apps. It's seismic.

Last time we had a slow loading PShop. This time we have a passive cooled chip that can run multi-gig layered PS files. Lara 1080p emulated running smooth and pretty. And? Maya being 10 million shaded polys thrown around the bed room.

I think the mountain has already been moved under our noses.

They've got 1.5 trillion behind this.

This time? They'll bury Intel and M$.

Azrael.

 

[JMacHack]

Thunderbolt is too nice. What's the matter for carrying a little thunderbolt hub like a Satechi ?

Speaking as someone who did exactly this, it's "acceptable." But as, DrRadon pointed out:

You are asking me why i don't want to buy a 100$ accessory to my xxxx€ Computer that i can forget at home (or even worse can forget someplace when i am out) instead of having a all in one solution like before that worked perfectly fine and fits neatly in my one Laptop bag?

As of my Late 2016 MBP, I can say that I carry around one more dongle than I would have to than if I had a 2015 (a DVD drive). Not a big deal, but when you pay the Apple tax you want the user experience to be as good as possible.

Also, before anyone suggests USB-C dongles, USB-C is a giant cluster**** and I've had them be hit-or-miss with crashing Finder or knocking out wi-fi when plugged in. (somehow?) Not to mention they can crap out at any point, and the spec is all over the place so you don't really know what you're getting.

Thunderbolt 3 is better, but not perfect either.

And let's not forget the nickel-and-dime issue of replacing all your cables either. That adds up, and I'm cheap.

 

[jetjaguar]

I’m just gonna wait for AS Mac Pro or high end iMac. No more intel for me. So I guess I have a looooong wait ahead.

 

[fireguy286]

I am not sure I follow the small schism developing here between “ must wait for AS” and people wanting the new/likely last Intel iMac and having to justify it. Do what works for your flow and be happy.

IMO The biggest mistake is 1st gen Apple anything. Has biggest initial wow, also Biggest buyers remorse, no matter what Apple era exponentially a year or two later esp at this price point.
Intel isn’t going anywhere, the transition is very different from PowerPC where the platform was cold and buried under before the transition even started. Little reason to doubt years of support ahead. Buying a new iMac now gives you several years of great performance (and bootcamp which many still need) and time’s you well for when the AS platform will be mature and ready down the line. Best of both worlds.

No one knows what AS performance will be v1 nor how well development actually will be. The performance numbers and hype thrown around like they are facts in here need to be reassessed as pure fodder and conjecture. Trust the process and expect Apple to get there but live in reality. Fun discussion but equally silly.

 

[pldelisle]

Also, before anyone suggests USB-C dongles, USB-C is a giant cluster**** and I've had them be hit-or-miss with crashing Finder or knocking out wi-fi when plugged in. (somehow?) Not to mention they can crap out at any point, and the spec is all over the place so you don't really know what you're getting.

Yeah. The quality is very important indeed. Too many cheapo hubs with subpar performance and build quality. One needs to carefully chose it.

 

[DrRadon]

Seriously.
While being on the road, I can’t remember when I needed to do any of what you mentioned about ports.
I might not use my laptop like everybody else.
I understand why Apple went with thunderbolt only (mainly for internals) and I understand tomorrow will be more and more usb-C. And I also understand that for compatibility reasons I can have to carry a small lightweight adapter. At home, I have a Docking station to which I plug my Mac to.

iMac with only Thunderbolt and Ethernet port ? Anytime.
I think you are a bit stubborn and living in the past...

Having spend well over 8000€ worth in tech this year i can honestly announce to you that the only thing that came with non traditional USB was my Ronin-SC. BUT while the device itself has smaller ports, the (one and only) charger cable in the box still relies on classic USB.
I constantly use my SD Card Slots. I could technically use a cable that came with my A7M3 (part of the 8000€ tech spendings) to connect it to my devices, but the camera only came with, you guessed it, classic size USB. This cable also doubles as a charger for the camera btw.
I share my flat with five other people. You know what they give me when they need something printed? A classic size USB stick. Yes. Even the two people that are 20 and 22 still use that, and only that. And one of them studies informatics.
Among my new acquisitions is also a Amaran AL-M9 that came only with a classic fat USB to charge it.
Got Myself a DJI Osmo Mobile 3 this year that also charges with, you guessed it, via classic fat USB.
Granted i won't charge these things with my Laptop most days, but i could if need be.

And besides these things that were bought in 2020... i also have old stuff that wants to be used. Several external HDDs, my Photo Printer, my Scanner (even a fairly expensive one that dos also scan negatives), my USB Sticks, my friends, family and work related peoples USB sticks, my two PowerBanks... hell even my iPad and my iPhone (that actually gets plugged in into my Laptop somewhat often when traveling because on trains i usually only got one power plug under my seat). And you know what i use when i visit my Dad and want to throw a movie of my SkyGo subscription to his telly? My HDMI out. What do i do if i have to hold a presentation in some random place with some random beamer? My HDMI out. I think the PS4 controller now works via BT, but i remember needing it to be plugged in for syncing at least? Via fat USB of cause. I got an xBox 360 controller ages ago for windows and that needs its receiver plugged in via USB. All of that needs to, environmentally friendly, to the trash because some stubborn company knows all and better (hello butterfly keyboard, hello Touch Bar). No. Just NO!

Like i said before. I don't mind thunderbolt. Videoedeting having everything on a Samsung T5 or T7 sounds awesome and probably is something i am going to approach. But what about all the other stuff? Stuff that dos not need to go to the trash and stuff that is sold as the newest in it's lineup today.

And contrast that with Apple not selling anything but thunderbolt for almost four years in it's laptops.
It's not cool. To make a laptop a tiny bit thinner everyone now has to carry a dongle stick that is way more expensive than any of the smaller day to day devices that you would use with these "to old" ports. And that makes your "oh so amazingly moah thin" Laptop well over a centimeter wider, costs cash and is a nuance instead of just working like it did for (probably even several) a decade before.

But since apple dos everything right and i am just stubborn, go and pick up one of those extra nice, totally not insulting, 12 inch MacBooks. They are amazing i hear. Amazingly bad from day one that is. But at least they got thunderbolt. THE FUTURE!

Oh yeah. Have you seen the not yet released highly anticipated PS5? Comes with one old fat USB besides a second USB-C on it. How about the not yet released Xbox Series X? Oh don't worry, comes with three classic USB fat 3.2 ports. Both consoles also stubbornly hold on to HDMI outs. Probably they prefer TO ACTUALLY WORK WITH STUFF THAT IS IN THE MARKEDPLACE.

 

[jetjaguar]

I am not sure I follow the small schism developing here between “ must wait for AS” and people wanting the new/likely last Intel iMac and having to justify it. Do what works for your flow and be happy.

IMO The biggest mistake is 1st gen Apple anything. Has biggest initial wow, also Biggest buyers remorse, no matter what Apple era exponentially a year or two later esp at this price point.
Intel isn’t going anywhere, the transition is very different from PowerPC where the platform was cold and buried under before the transition even started. Little reason to doubt years of support ahead. Buying a new iMac now gives you several years of great performance (and bootcamp which many still need) and time’s you well for when the AS platform will be mature and ready down the line. Best of both worlds.

No one knows what AS performance will be v1 nor how well development actually will be. The performance numbers and hype thrown around like they are facts in here need to be reassessed as pure fodder and conjecture. Trust the process and expect Apple to get there but live in reality. Fun discussion but equally silly.

Well said! Honestly it has gotten crazy here with most people saying if you buy an Intel Mac anything it is just a paper weight. No value. No nothing. And the dumbest purchase anyone can make.

 

[Dosing]

I am not sure I follow the small schism developing here between “ must wait for AS” and people wanting the new/likely last Intel iMac and having to justify it. Do what works for your flow and be happy.

IMO The biggest mistake is 1st gen Apple anything. Has biggest initial wow, also Biggest buyers remorse, no matter what Apple era exponentially a year or two later esp at this price point.
Intel isn’t going anywhere, the transition is very different from PowerPC where the platform was cold and buried under before the transition even started. Little reason to doubt years of support ahead. Buying a new iMac now gives you several years of great performance (and bootcamp which many still need) and time’s you well for when the AS platform will be mature and ready down the line. Best of both worlds.

No one knows what AS performance will be v1 nor how well development actually will be. The performance numbers and hype thrown around like they are facts in here need to be reassessed as pure fodder and conjecture. Trust the process and expect Apple to get there but live in reality. Fun discussion but equally silly.

Yeah, I NEED to go Intel this time and whilst I was initially a little bit worried about continued support, I think I've got over that. There's only a few CORE apps that I really need to support Intel and they're not planning to move any time soon.

I can't wait for AS, I think it's going to bring great things for the Mac platform. Saying this, I 100% agree with you on the 1st gen Apple thing - look at the iPhone, Apple Watch, iPad etc. Not slighting anyone who plans on doing that (as I was saying - that was my plan too!) but I need to go for this 27 inch model as I need to have a somewhat powerful computer for my workflow at the moment. This approach gives me a computer that I will get a good amount of use out of, it will hold some resale value and by the the time that I am ready to buy again - AS will be in full swing.

 

[pldelisle]

I share my flat with five other people. You know what they give me when they need something printed? A classic size USB stick. Yes. Even the two people that are 20 and 22 still use that, and only that.

Whoa .... People got to know Cloud a bit more in your place ...

I can see that almost anything comes with standard USB. Reason is, I think, because other manufacturer still has not widely adopted USB-C while they could.

And contrast that with Apple not selling anything but thunderbolt for almost four years in it's laptops. No. Just NO!
It's not cool. To make a laptop a tiny bit thinner everyone now has to carry a dongle stick that is way more expensive than any of the smaller day to day devices that you would use with these "to old" ports. And that makes your "oh so amazingly moah thin" Laptop well over a centimeter wider.

I don't agree with you. Simply.

But since apple dos everything right and i am just stubborn, go and pick up one of those extra nice, totally not insulting, 12 inch MacBooks. They are amazing i hear. Amazingly bad from day one that is. But at least they got thunderbolt. THE FUTURE!

Keep calm buddy.....
This was an engineer's trip on coke. Nothing else. A marketing thing for Intel that was trying to get into passively cooled laptop CPUs and Apple saying "hey, we could build that thing with 3D battery and Retina display and new type of keyboard and Thunderbolt" and a sniff of cocain after if was built. Nothing else than an engineering fantasy *Cough Johny Ive Cough*. Did a lot of people bought it ? Hell no. Did it paved things after it ? Yeah. ****** keyboard which is no longer there and unified connectivity through Thunderbolt 3. Now, get over it. Upgrade to cloud, wireless when possible, get a NAS to fill up with all your external HDDs and access your files from everywhere, and carrying a little Satechi hub for the rest never killed anybody. This is complaining for almost nothing. And console yourself, the guy behind all of this has left to create its own company. Macbook cannot be slimmer even with Apple Silicon (or if then, very, very slightly because they would require a bit less cooling), cannot be bigger (once the MBP14 will be out) and cannot have less ports than now (lol I just want to make you laugh a bit )

Oh and Thunderbolt licensing is now permitting a lot more with Thunderbolt 4. So we will likely see a wider adoption soon with next-gen Intel platform. Even AMD will get Thunderbolt. I personally think that a world in Thunderbolt with USB-C only would be a lot better. But it all goes down to the I/O current platform can deliver. Limited PCi-Express lanes on low/mid-range platform is shocking and bad.

 

[DrRadon]

I don't agree with you. Simply.

You can "not agree" with me all you want. If you don't see that at the very least classic fat USB is something you need because it is sold with almost everything these days you do not have your eyes open to reality. And if you don't see that SD Cards are still the standard for cameras beyond your smartphone (with "creatives" being one of apples supposed target audiences) i can't help you either.

Now go play with your 12 inch MacBook that proves Apple has not been knowingly selling **** in their Laptop lineup in the past four years. Report back when they keyboard breaks pls.

 

[pldelisle]

Now go play with your 12 inch MacBook that proves Apple has not been knowingly selling **** in their Laptop lineup in the past four years. Report back when they keyboard breaks pls.

I don't have a 12 inch MacBook. I have a Late-2013 MacBook Pro with your good old flat USB. But having a dock would not impact me at all and make me cry about good old flat USB.
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that proves Apple has not been knowingly selling **** in their Laptop lineup in the past four years

This time revoked. Get in 2020 please. You are scaring me as how you live in the past. Live the present moment please.

 

[Azrael9]

And let's not forget the nickel-and-dime issue of replacing all your cables either. That adds up, and I'm cheap.

Apple have made millions upon millions nickle and diming people.

They take the ports out. They either keep the price the same (and pocket the difference...) or? Jack the prices up.

And/or have the gaul to charge you paper cut prices on dongles.

Look at this great minimal design...with dongles and a rates nest sticking out of it...

Azrael.

 

[anthony13]

It's getting feisty in here. Apple you better update this thing soon before the we turn on each other.

 

[Azrael9]

You can "not agree" with me all you want. If you don't see that at the very least classic fat USB is something you need because it is sold with almost everything these days you do not have your eyes open to reality. And if you don't see that SD Cards are still the standard for cameras beyond your smartphone (with "creatives" being one of apples supposed target audiences) i can't help you either.

Now go play with your 12 inch MacBook that proves Apple has not been knowingly selling **** in their Laptop lineup in the past four years. Report back when they keyboard breaks pls.

Yeah. They were a bit bandage ripped off premature with the all thunderbolt 3 dropping of legacy ports on the 'meh' touch strip, rsi klakk keyboard macbook 'pro' (and where's my goddamn SD slot...) And the nerve to jack up prices too. (What the iPHone 12 have a price rise whilst removing the charger...cheap az trick to please shareholder's 1st? Customers 2nd.)

...and that taking the pish 1 port 12 inch Macbook.

Like 'tech demo' products by Apple's previous inclusive designs.

The only Macbook 'Pro' that got close to impressing me? The 17 inch one...and I'll give the iBooks props for bravery with their gum drop designs.

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It's getting feisty in here. Apple you better update this thing soon before the we turn on each other.

*JERRY, JERRY, JERRY...!!!!*

DING! DING!! DING!!!

aZRAEL.

PS. *tables go over...chair gets picked up...drinks spilled...

 

[DrRadon]

As of my Late 2016 MBP, I can say that I carry around one more dongle than I would have to than if I had a 2015 (a DVD drive). Not a big deal, but when you pay the Apple tax you want the user experience to be as good as possible.

I feel like with DVD they at least were right. I still got one with my 2012 iMac and while actually needing it i used it oh so very rarely (mostly because university still required documentation of burned DVDs of our semester results). Between steam already being established and... lets face it... most people watching their movies as illegal downloads, the general population did not need a DVD drive that much. It largely worked despite the outcry against it at first. Four years in Thunderbolt dos fill the void as you can see in my long list of even very current devices that will just NEED you to have a highly priced dongle.