Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

[Azrael9]

I don't want a picture of the planet earth...we've got the hubble telescope that can do that for us...?

Show me the new iMac, APPLE!!!!

Azrael.
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I feel like with DVD they at least were right. I still got one with my 2012 iMac and while actually needing it i used it oh so very rarely (mostly because university still required documentation of burned DVDs of our semester results). Between steam already being established and... lets face it... most people watching their movies as illegal downloads, the general population did not need a DVD drive that much. It largely worked despite the outcry against it at first. Four years in Thunderbolt dos fill the void as you can see in my long list of even very current devices that will just NEED you to have a highly priced dongle.

I bought the external DVD player with my 2012 iMac.

Still have lots of software on DVD. CDs of Music...

Azrael.

 

[pldelisle]

Four years in Thunderbolt dos fill the void as you can see in my long list of even very current devices that will just NEED you to have a highly priced dongle.

So you bought a 2000$ USD laptop.

And you want to make me believe you when saying a 50$ Satechi hub is "highly priced dongle"?

🤦‍♂️

 

[Azrael9]

Yeah, I NEED to go Intel this time and whilst I was initially a little bit worried about continued support, I think I've got over that. There's only a few CORE apps that I really need to support Intel and they're not planning to move any time soon.

I can't wait for AS, I think it's going to bring great things for the Mac platform. Saying this, I 100% agree with you on the 1st gen Apple thing - look at the iPhone, Apple Watch, iPad etc. Not slighting anyone who plans on doing that (as I was saying - that was my plan too!) but I need to go for this 27 inch model as I need to have a somewhat powerful computer for my workflow at the moment. This approach gives me a computer that I will get a good amount of use out of, it will hold some resale value and by the the time that I am ready to buy again - AS will be in full swing.

Yes. It's written in the stars.

But those stars seem very far away right now.

And you have to do what is right for your workflow in the land of now.

Azrael.
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I’m just gonna wait for AS Mac Pro or high end iMac. No more intel for me. So I guess I have a looooong wait ahead.

What Mac do you have right now?

Azrael.

 

[DrRadon]

(What the iPHone 12 have a price rise whilst removing the charger...cheap az trick to please shareholder's 1st? Customers 2nd.)

I don't mind the removal of chargers though.
I think i got three Apple chargers (all running on fat USB, even the ones sold after the MacBook switch in parts ) and at some point i got a Anchor charger that comes with two slots so the USB stuff takes up less space on my plugs. I might even have more scattered in some boxes, but most devices today come without a new wallplug charger.
If one sais "it's wasteful to sell people another charger to the X they already have" that makes sense to me while the charge speed of them stays largely the same.
Makes senses for your greenwashing reports while you prohibit people reusing/upgrading your hardware parts, saves some coin, is not really missed. Kinda like the DVD drive probably. Outcry because you "get less", but is it really an issue?

For me no headphone jack is more of an issue, since every headphone i own uses the classic port. Probably because i am stubborn. Or maybe because sound quality is better while the headphones are cheaper. Who knows.

 

[pldelisle]

And it creates less e-waste too not to sell a charger.

Or maybe because sound quality is better while the headphones are cheaper. Who knows.

You might want to look at this if you really want portable yet affordable sound quality.

Schiit Audio: Audio Products Made in USA

www.schiit.com

 

[DrRadon]

So you bought a 2000$ USD laptop.

And you want to make me believe you when saying a 50$ Satechi hub is "highly priced dongle"?

🤦‍♂️

I did not buy a MacBook after 2015 and i never claimed different. I also never spend 2000$ on a MacBook.
I only spoke on the lack of usability in these new, highly expensive, devices. Usuabilety of wich apple was known for.
So i don't know what you are talking about but i approve that you hit yourself in the face for coming up with it.

 

[anthony13]

I don't mind the removal of chargers though.
I think i got three Apple chargers (all running on fat USB, even the ones sold after the MacBook switch in parts ) and at some point i got a Anchor charger that comes with two slots so the USB stuff takes up less space on my plugs. I might even have more scattered in some boxes, but most devices today come without a new wallplug charger.
If one sais "it's wasteful to sell people another charger to the X they already have" that makes sense to me while the charge speed of them stays largely the same.
Makes senses for your greenwashing reports while you prohibit people reusing/upgrading your hardware parts, saves some coin, is not really missed. Kinda like the DVD drive probably. Outcry because you "get less", but is it really an issue?

For me no headphone jack is more of an issue, since every headphone i own uses the classic port. Probably because i am stubborn. Or maybe because sound quality is better while the headphones are cheaper. Who knows.

Oh god you just made me realize... what if after all this time, they redesign the iMac after all, and then there's no headphone jack on it!

 

[Azrael9]

Well said! Honestly it has gotten crazy here with most people saying if you buy an Intel Mac anything it is just a paper weight. No value. No nothing. And the dumbest purchase anyone can make.

The Intel iMac will have great value to anyone doing 2D or 3D or Video workflows.

Anybody who wants to 100% preserver their Intel bases software.

Anyone who loves have the value of 2 machines in one. Mac/PC.

Bootcamp. For that 'classic' game...from...

Those who don't want to beta test Apple's rev 1 AS hardware.

For anyone who likes 'that' design (if they stick with the oil tanker bezels...because it's timeless...)

So it has decent value. And it makes sense for those that need it.

It will last out the transition for a good 5 years.

Azrael.

 

[DrRadon]

And it creates less e-waste too not to sell a charger.

Thats what i meant with "it looks good in the greenwashing reports".

 

[ms88privat]

I really like the removal of the charger. It was too weak anyway. Besides that, I did relocate last week and I got rid of all my apple "boxes". Just to be sure I did look into all of them - and found many unused chargers in there... lol

 

[pldelisle]

I did not buy a MacBook after 2015 and i never claimed different. I also never spend 2000$ on a MacBook.
I only spoke on the lack of usability in these new, highly expensive, devices. Usuabilety of wich apple was known for.
So i don't know what you are talking about but i approve that you hit yourself in the face for coming up with it.

This was purely hypothetic. Someone who buy a MacBook Air/Pro over a 1000 USD will likely be able to get a 50$ all-in-one hub.

 

[DrRadon]

Oh god you just made me realize... what if after all this time, they redesign the iMac after all, and then there's no headphone jack on it!

I doubt that. Since even the most current MacBooks still dare to come with it. For modern speakers, far more fitting for a stationary PC, they are even more required than for a MacBook. So i doubt they would be that silly.

 

[Azrael9]

Maybe it's a new product and I missed it...

iEarth...

Azrael.
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This was purely hypothetic.

What? Like the existence of the 'new' iMac?

Azrael.
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I really like the removal of the charger. It was too weak anyway. Besides that, I did relocate last week and I got rid of all my apple "boxes". Just to be sure I did look into all of them - and found many unused chargers in there... lol

Well, they can ask customers to use their previous iPhone boxes to pick up the new iPhone 12. Now without box.

Much more iGreen.

azrael.
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I really like the removal of the charger. It was too weak anyway. Besides that, I did relocate last week and I got rid of all my apple "boxes". Just to be sure I did look into all of them - and found many unused chargers in there... lol

Or they could just remove the iPhone 12 completely and sell customers an empty box.

iSpace.

The best space on the iEarth.

Azrael.

 

[DrRadon]

This was purely hypothetic.

It's not about hypothetic though. It's bad to require you to pay 50-100$ extra to get a dongle to get 99,9% of the functionality back that the average user will require day to day. It's just bad design. And the MacBooks are a four year long story of bad design as of right now. I know it's an apple board and there are apple sheep around. But you don't just sell a horrendously often breaking keyboard at a premium price for four years and than get celebrated for finally switching back and DAREING to have your device one MM thicker.
MacBooks are not up to apples design standards on to manny levels.

Like. I could probably handle a iMac with only thunderbolt despite it being a horrendously stupid decision, but at least all the **** is on the desk and dos not leave, get lost or is forgotten on my way out. - On MacBook, to me as a professional user that needs reliable access to a ton of devices, it's a product killer. It just is.
It's not like i am asking for some obscure shabang, i just ask for the four most common things people use to be hardwired in the laptop i get. Fat USB, HDMI, SD Slot and Headphone Jack. All stuff i constantly need to work.

You know how photographerstalk about SD Cards? They say: it's good to have the nice ones, but besides that buy many of the cheap ones and scatter them everywhere. In your car, in your pockets, in your bags. Because if you ever happen to forget that you don't have a card in your camera or a card breaks... your 10.000€ camera gear suddenly became worthless for that shoot you are on. Best case that is just bad for you because you got up early for some landscape photos, worst case you missed that wedding for 2k you were shooting.

Thunderbolt only on a laptop is an inexcusable design flaw. Storys of people here telling how these dongles sometimes even mess with your computer or don't work only make it worse.

 

[pldelisle]

But you don't just sell a horrendously often breaking keyboard at a premium price for four years and than get celebrated for finally switching back and DAREING to have your device one MM thicker.

Totally agree on this one. But good news; it's changed now, and the guy who invented it is freaking out of the business.

You know how photographerstalk about SD Cards? They say: it's good to have the nice ones, but besides that buy many of the cheap ones and scatter them everywhere. In your car, in your pockets, in your bags. Because if you ever happen to forget that you don't have a card in your camera or a card breaks... your 10.000€ camera gear suddenly became worthless for that shoot you are on. Best case that is just bad for you because you got up early for some landscape photos, worst case you missed that wedding for 2k you were shooting.

Come on. A bit more organization please ? Up up up ... You'll get it, pretty sure. And a card breaking doesn't happen because your Mac doesn't have the reader built-in. It doesn't have anything to do with this.

Thunderbolt only on a laptop is an inexcusable design flaw. Storys of people here telling how these dongles sometimes even mess with your computer or don't work only make it worse.

Never heard of an Apple adapter or quality USB-C failing. I might be lucky.

Design flaw ? I don't think. A soon-to-be-common connectivity ? Probably. Monitors are more and more offering USB-C connectivity, USB-C thumb drive are available if you are still in the 2000s. Yeah device makers need to upgrade and I really don't know why they don't, but calling it a design flaw ... I don't think so.

 

[iPadified]

Yeah, I NEED to go Intel this time and whilst I was initially a little bit worried about continued support, I think I've got over that. There's only a few CORE apps that I really need to support Intel and they're not planning to move any time soon.

I can't wait for AS, I think it's going to bring great things for the Mac platform. Saying this, I 100% agree with you on the 1st gen Apple thing - look at the iPhone, Apple Watch, iPad etc. Not slighting anyone who plans on doing that (as I was saying - that was my plan too!) but I need to go for this 27 inch model as I need to have a somewhat powerful computer for my workflow at the moment. This approach gives me a computer that I will get a good amount of use out of, it will hold some resale value and by the the time that I am ready to buy again - AS will be in full swing.

If you need one now then go buy one and do not listen to the other here because they have other needs.

I am not sure the AS Mac should be treated as first generation though. Apple has built Mac for 40 years and iPads for 10. It is not the same thing as the iPhone, iPad and Watch as these were from scratch and new product categories while the Mac is really old school.

Furthermore, an excellent AS Mac must be produced from start or the customers and developers will loose faith in AS Macs. I believe that AS Mac will and need to enter with significant performance gains and/or battery gain for their common lines (MBP 13 and iMac) within half a year. It is logical to release one laptop, MBP13, with Intel/AMD high end laptop performance and 20h- battery life and an iMac that demonstrate performance gains enough to make everyone believe that the transition is not vapourware even for Mac Pro.

Personally, I think Apple has prototypes for filling the Mac Pro up with AS with performance gains that will make Intel/AMD/NVIDIA shaking. I wonder what perforce 1300W of AS will have?

 

[CWallace]

Speaking only for myself, the only time I need to use a dongle with my 2017 MacBook Pro 15" is when in Boot Camp since for some reason my Magic Mouse won't work in it so I use myRAZR gaming mouse (since the main reason I use Boot Camp is for games). Everything else I have is either native USB-C or I purchased new cables that end in USB-C (and thanks to Monoprice and Amazon Basic, those cables are super-cheap and better then the USB-A cable that came with the device, anyway).

Also speaking only for myself, I actually wish my 2017 iMac had more USB-C and less USB-A ports since I could just use new USB-C cables with everything and then they would also work with my iPad and MBP.

 

[iPadified]

There is one one important port and that is the main electricity. The rest are holes waiting to be removed when technology allows for it.

 

[pldelisle]

Speaking only for myself, the only time I need to use a dongle with my 2017 MacBook Pro 15" is when in Boot Camp since for some reason my Magic Mouse won't work in it so I use myRAZR gaming mouse (since the main reason I use Boot Camp is for games). Everything else I have is either native USB-C or I purchased new cables that end in USB-C (and thanks to Monoprice and Amazon Basic, those cables are super-cheap and better then the USB-A cable that came with the device, anyway).

Also speaking only for myself, I actually wish my 2017 iMac had more USB-C and less USB-A ports since I could just use new USB-C cables with everything and then they would also work with my iPad and MBP.

Finally someone who evolved.

 

[DrRadon]

I bought the external DVD player with my 2012 iMac.

Still have lots of software on DVD. CDs of Music...

Azrael.

Yeah. But you can see how the majority of people have moved on right? Spotify, Deezer, Apple Music... like, i have hundreds of CDs as well, but i removed my CD player because it's so easily accessible digitally and if something happens to be missing i shell out the external drive (actually got one from samsung rather than apple), rip it and move on with the digital files. I don't think most people are sitting at home being "darn, these laptops need CD Drives".

With movies its a bit less easy, Netflix and Prime are missing a lot of classics. But with the PS4 near my TV it's doable and it brings BluRay so...
Not happy with digital movie prices for many reasons. But that would go even more to far of topic.
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Finally someone who evolved.

Ah, so your start realizing how few people have despite the tech being forced on Apple Notebook users for almost four years.

 

[pldelisle]

Yeah. But you can see how the majority of people have moved on right? Spotify, Deezer, Apple Music... like, i have hundreds of CDs as well, but i removed my CD player because it's so easily accessible digitally and if something happens to be missing i shell out the external drive (actually got one from samsung rather than apple), rip it and move on with the digital files. I don't think most people are sitting at home being "darn, these laptops need CD Drives".

But CD drives are still the best way to get lossless audio (with exception of Tidal and one other that offers FLAC lossless streaming).

I borrow my grandma's laptop to rip good CDs once in a while and transcode it to FLAC with a special software and multiple pass on CDs with log file. With Audirvana, it really shines.

 

[CWallace]

Finally someone who evolved.

To be fair, the RAZR mouse is the only thing I have that had a fixed cable attached. If I had a "fair bit of kit" that was hard-wired to USB-A so my only choices were a dock and/or dongles, I might not be as well-natured about the move to USB-C only.

 

[DrRadon]

Never heard of an Apple adapter or quality USB-C failing. I might be lucky.

Read through the past pages. There was someone here just now reporting how dongle use lead to finder crashing and such.
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But CD drives are still the best way to get lossless audio (with exception of Tidal and one other that offers FLAC lossless streaming).

I don´t mind you desiring and enjoying that. But hundreds of millions just use streaming services while billions probably can't even tell the difference (or even have the hardware to even be able to if they could).

 

[pldelisle]

I don´t mind you desiring and enjoying that. But hundreds of millions just use streaming services while billions probably can't even tell the difference (or even have the hardware to even be able to if they could).

With good gear you can clearly ear it. It's just that people with good audio gear are just rare and people can't seriously try it. But try a Schiit stack with Audeze reference headphone for fun...

 

[DrRadon]

Apple is actually trending on twitter with lots of newspapers writing about their climate goal of zero emissions till 2030.
I was more in a "no one cares, just another company greenwashing".

So bigger than i expected. Still would be neat to just ad a new iMac tomorrow that proofs the concept.