Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

[Azrael9]

Tomorrow we should have the Intel 10th geneneration dekstop CPUs launch. We already have all the information (below). Do you think that the iMac 2020 will have these processors? I want to believe.

Interesting. This somewhat illuminates a possible iMac refresh for WWDC?

I just noticed all the i9 parts are 10 core. All the i7 parts are 8 core.

Will apple lose the 6 core i5 parts as standard.

Azrael.

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I cannot see why x86 and ARM based Macs can coexist. x86 Mac will benefit for Windows and Linux software development (scientific, engineering, 3D modelling) while ARM based Mac will benefit from iOS apps.

Office work and home use > ARM (due to "Low complexity" apps)
Heavier and complex software >x86 ("High complexity apps")

The key here is what OS an ARM based "mac" will run. MacOS or iPadOS (that continuously get more and more MacOS features)?

For purely home use, an iMac sized iPad plus keyboard and trackpad would be perfectly fine for me. However, as the computer would also double as work computer, where I need scientific and engineering software, I must have x86.

When ARM based apps are as complex as the x86 apps (takes awhile), x86 will go. I think the current MP might be the last but it will probably be relevant for 10 years and then the transition should be finished.

An iMac sized iPad would be a dream machine. People will still use Macs for Mac like stuff. If they want x86 then PC rigs are cheap enough to buy. Probably better to have a dual PC set up anyhow.

Azrael.

 

[iPadified]

Of course no need to wait. But if it's actually a chassis/screen redesign as rumored, I'd wager they want to do more than a press release. My guess is a streamed product keynote during WWDC.

You are probable right, but then the design must be significant. Smaller bezels, faster processor and iMP cooling should not be sufficient in a keynote crowded with I do not know how many OS nowadays.

Ironically, the iPhone SE will probably sell as much in term of money as the iMac and the SE was released without an event. Well, the IT press did the rest of the necessary visibility and marketing for the SE.

 

[CWallace]

Tomorrow we should have the Intel 10th geneneration dekstop CPUs launch. We already have all the information (below). Do you think that the iMac 2020 will have these processors? I want to believe.

Seems a given.

Yes likely. However, for the iMac to handle 125W parts in a good way, it will need iMP cooling systems. The 65W parts are likely sufficient for 99% of the tasks out there so perhaps these will be used?

Apple could under-clock the 125W parts to keep them within the 95W envelope of the current CPUs, but there have been reports that the K-models can reach 300W when pushed hard (I am guessing this is overclocked, not at native clock with all the cores pegged for extended periods of time) so that might push Apple to just using the 65W models to give them some thermal overhead.

 

[davemccr]

I've ready from multiple sources that the new iMacs are ready to ship... they haven't been announced for unknown reasons...

 

[ridgero]

I've ready from multiple sources that the new iMacs are ready to ship... they haven't been announced for unknown reasons...

Maybe because of the Intel Embargo?

 

[Azrael9]

Maybe because of the Intel Embargo?

'Ready to ship.' Seems like a supply chain issue if they aren't. IF it's just a spec bump.

Still think if it's significant it has to be a WWDC launch. So it's a timing thing. Which is tied to...

...and that might be partly due to the Intel 'embargo' or shipping/debut of the new CPUs from Intel.

Having 8 and 10 core i7s/i9s would be a timely boost. But so would a Radeon 5700XT. Looking for a substantial boost in cpu, gpu and screen size. 16 gigs of ram standard is over due in iMac priced machines.

The parts are there. We'll see how much Apple 'wants it.'

As a potential customer, I do. I'm currently 'Mac-less' so I'm 'willing' the WWDC for an iMac debut of style and substance.

This could be a 'kick az' iMac release. And it maybe the 'interpreted' eGame iMac release.

An 8-10 core, 5700XT, 32 inch iMac with 16 gigs of ram and SSD as standard would be a special machine. Certainly for me, coming from a late 2012 iMac.

The wall of silence re: the iMac suggests 'something' is coming. More than a 'mere' spec bump.

Azrael.

 

[ridgero]

The embargo lifts tomorrow, so there is hope

 

[iPadified]

Apple releasing a new computer with a day old Intel CPU? Never thought I see they day. Finger crossed. They will not ship or advertise a new CPU lineup in iMacs before Intel say so.

 

[dn325ci]

I meant to add earlier that if you look at the WWDC announcement, the logo looks like it came from a MacBook lid and it includes the classic Macintosh "hello". Possibly clues to Mac related announcements. Perhaps the also long-rumored 14" MacBook Pro will also be announced.

 

[CWallace]

Now that WWDC is a digital presentation, Apple might be more inclined to include a significantly larger collection of new hardware announcements than when people had to sit in the seats for extra time and Apple had to then shuffle them all through physical demos afterwards.

 

[Nugget]

If it means we never have to sit through another cringe-fest iPad game demo I'm all for it.

 

[Tekguy0]

Because the ENTIRE WWDC event is digital, we could see a much longer and more extensive product unveiling since all the devs and other people watching will be at home or at work anyway, so perhaps 3+ hours? If they unveil too much though, some of it will get buried in the news and will have little fanfare.
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If it means we never have to sit through another cringe-fest iPad game demo I'm all for it.

They'll probably do it over Facetime.

 

[Icaras]

Although new iMacs might be "ready to ship", I don't want to hold my breath since we've also been hearing "second half of 2020".

 

[satchmo]

On the whole, the current 5K iMacs are really quite a wonderful machine. Its a workhorse for so many pros.

It’s really updating just some long overdue cosmetic touches and in the process improve thermals so the latest chips can be used.

 

[sublunar]

Apple could under-clock the 125W parts to keep them within the 95W envelope of the current CPUs, but there have been reports that the K-models can reach 300W when pushed hard (I am guessing this is overclocked, not at native clock with all the cores pegged for extended periods of time) so that might push Apple to just using the 65W models to give them some thermal overhead.

Apple wouldn't overclock a K series CPU - they use those for the base clock on offer. The increased top TDP of the faster Comet Lake S CPUs would realistically mean a redesign of the cooling system. The iMac Pro cooling system suddenly looks like the elephant in the room but the case is designed for Xeon CPUs with 4 Thunderbolt ports on offer.

A 'minor' tweak of the case constitutes a redesign because of the engineering effort that would be required.

And only using 65w SKUs would be incredibly unlikely from Apple because if they were refreshing with Comet Lake S they would have to match the top SKU of the 2019 iMac from the BTO option list - and the raised TDP requirement and different motherboard chipset and socket demands a full redesign.

Mind you, the top spec Comet Lake H series CPU - the i9-10980HK - has a 65w mode. This mode offers 3.1GHz base clock with 8 cores, 16 threads. And is BGA mount.

Despite the imminent announcements for the Comet Lake S range we might not see these CPUs in volume for a few months - but the 23" iMac is the only new product on the horizon. If the iMac range gets a refresh in the next 3 weeks I'd say it's going to be a storage bump and there's going to be people up in arms.

If Apple are serious about using new CPUs in the next iMac it's the right time to redesign the enclosure for the TDPs they need going forward. The issue for me is a new iMac launching within the next 3 weeks - predicted by a leaker who mentioned the 2020 Mac mini in the same tweet - would be too soon for Comet Lake CPUs.

 

[dn325ci]

On the whole, the current 5K iMacs are really quite a wonderful machine. Its a workhorse for so many pros.

It’s really updating just some long overdue cosmetic touches and in the process improve thermals so the latest chips can be used.

Fair. Agree with that. Design is undoubtedly venerable, and everyone would love slimmer bezels and little/no chin. But with the right spec the iMac is still great.

 

[Manfredi]

Fair. Agree with that. Design is undoubtedly venerable, and everyone would love slimmer bezels and little/no chin. But with the right spec the iMac is still great.

i agree but... hey, Mac is not only specs (And iMac overall), mac is also design.... (and you pay for this too..) so after 10 years i think that is reasonable to expect a new design on 2020. in case o simple speed bump i think that many people who's expecting the new iMac will shift to others machines....

and yes... in the imagine of WWDC 2020 there is the typical font "hello" used to introduce Lisa (on of hte first iMac...)and also the background seems the back of a Mac....

 

[sigamy]

I'm interested in how this will work long-term. It is on Apple to make the transition from intel to ARM seemless. If developers have to create a whole separate version of their app, on top of the usual Windows/Mac(Intel)/Linux versions, then... this is a non-starter for many people who use non-Apple apps on their Mac. Having said that, they are smarter than me and have obviously thought about this!

Are you new here? Apple has already done two successful architecture transitions. 68k to PPC and PPC to Intel. Yes, some cross platform niche pro-apps took time to make the transition (Quark, Adobe) but overall the Intel transition with Rosetta was very good.

 

[FreddyJ]

Warching this thread with interest. I have a 2012 iMac that I'm thinking on upgrading - just now hanging on to see what happens with a new release.
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Although new iMacs might be "ready to ship", I don't want to hold my breath since we've also been hearing "second half of 2020".

Yep - I'm still hanging on. Was all ready to go but now losing the will to live.

 

[Voyageur]

For the first time, I wish for new iMacs to come out at the end of this year or at the beginning of 2021, despite the fact that I myself have been looking forward to a new model for more than a year.

The new processors that Intel showed do not hold the level. The old process technology, the old architecture and all the same problems with heat dissipation. Even more do not stand up to criticism in comparison with their next generation: at the end of this year or at the beginning of the next Intel will release the 11th generation processors (Rocket Lake). They will again be based on 14 nm, but will receive a truly new architecture with increased IPC. In addition, they will work already with PCI Express 4.0, there will be new integrated graphics, the chipset will be connected via DMI 3.0 x8 (doubling the bandwidth), and there will also be support for Thunderbolt 4 and USB 3.2.

What Intel has released now is a hacky stub... I would not want to buy a new computer for many years with such a "stone" on board.

 

[Patchwork]

Embago is over for 10th generation chips as there's details on Engadget website, though I don't think there's anything that wasn't covered above including the tables that Migranya posted.

 

[STC1709]

2009 imac, please give me a redesign, something worthwhile, im desperate

 

[_Skyfire_]

For the first time, I wish for new iMacs to come out at the end of this year or at the beginning of 2021, despite the fact that I myself have been looking forward to a new model for more than a year.

The new processors that Intel showed do not hold the level. The old process technology, the old architecture and all the same problems with heat dissipation. Even more do not stand up to criticism in comparison with their next generation: at the end of this year or at the beginning of the next Intel will release the 11th generation processors (Rocket Lake). They will again be based on 14 nm, but will receive a truly new architecture with increased IPC. In addition, they will work already with PCI Express 4.0, there will be new integrated graphics, the chipset will be connected via DMI 3.0 x8 (doubling the bandwidth), and there will also be support for Thunderbolt 4 and USB 3.2.

What Intel has released now is a hacky stub... I would not want to buy a new computer for many years with such a "stone" on board.

Yep Intel seems to be stuck in a holding pattern rn. What's worse, you can't trust any of their road plans...as such expecting something better in the near future like you said is bound to end up in disappointment. Apple would be so on the money if they made a shift to AMD CPU's tho

 

[AlexGraphicD]

For the first time, I wish for new iMacs to come out at the end of this year or at the beginning of 2021, despite the fact that I myself have been looking forward to a new model for more than a year.

The new processors that Intel showed do not hold the level. The old process technology, the old architecture and all the same problems with heat dissipation. Even more do not stand up to criticism in comparison with their next generation: at the end of this year or at the beginning of the next Intel will release the 11th generation processors (Rocket Lake). They will again be based on 14 nm, but will receive a truly new architecture with increased IPC. In addition, they will work already with PCI Express 4.0, there will be new integrated graphics, the chipset will be connected via DMI 3.0 x8 (doubling the bandwidth), and there will also be support for Thunderbolt 4 and USB 3.2.

What Intel has released now is a hacky stub... I would not want to buy a new computer for many years with such a "stone" on board.

Wow that is something I didn't know and don't see other people comment about. It sucks that this generation of processors is not worth it and we have to wait for the next one. The waiting is unbearable.

 

[dn325ci]

For the first time, I wish for new iMacs to come out at the end of this year or at the beginning of 2021, despite the fact that I myself have been looking forward to a new model for more than a year.

The new processors that Intel showed do not hold the level. The old process technology, the old architecture and all the same problems with heat dissipation. Even more do not stand up to criticism in comparison with their next generation: at the end of this year or at the beginning of the next Intel will release the 11th generation processors (Rocket Lake). They will again be based on 14 nm, but will receive a truly new architecture with increased IPC. In addition, they will work already with PCI Express 4.0, there will be new integrated graphics, the chipset will be connected via DMI 3.0 x8 (doubling the bandwidth), and there will also be support for Thunderbolt 4 and USB 3.2.

What Intel has released now is a hacky stub... I would not want to buy a new computer for many years with such a "stone" on board.

I've been a tech geek since 15 and recently turned 51. There are at least two immutable truths in tech. Yes, Intel's (and Apple's and AMD's and everyone's) roadmaps slip all the time. And yes, the greatest tech ever with the best features ever is ALWAYS the next one just around the next corner. I promise you this will still be true even when Rocket Lake launches. The beauty of it is you're free to wait if you wish!