Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

[DrRadon]

Serious question. Are current iMacs really as bad as this forum makes out? Overheating seems to be a huge problem. Is it only power users that have the issue or do they run hot all the time?

And Catalina... everyone seems to hate it, but I’ve not encountered any issues. What does everyone hate about it?

There are plenty of reviews that will tell you the top tier 2019 iMac is amazing. But it cannot be denied that you pay way more for components that perform worse than they would in a properly cooled machine you build yourself. That, however is a general problem that both the iMac Pro and the MacPro also have so if you are into Apple it is nothing you did not experience before. If it never bothered you, don't be bothered now.
As you can see with ARM, Apple dos not seem to want to solute this problem with better cooling but with less hot CPUs/GPUs. So if, at any point, we see a new iMac Design, expect that to be designed to cool the ARM Chips wich are supposed to run a lot cooler, even if it still comes with intel processing.

On my MacBook Pro Catalina is running smooth by now. On my iMac it is still terrible. I got several finder freezes each day. Just as my classic SE runs iOS 13 just fine while my 2018 iPad struggles (it literally crashed the App store this morning with nothing else open).
This is definitely not Apples best software year.

 

[DrRadon]

Serious question. Are current iMacs really as bad as this forum makes out? Overheating seems to be a huge problem. Is it only power users that have the issue or do they run hot all the time?

And Catalina... everyone seems to hate it, but I’ve not encountered any issues. What does everyone hate about it?

Check this for example with some benchmarks, final cut rendering and comments on fan noise.

 

[Nicole1980]

You are talking about Catalina as a good choice? Nah, I haven't even updated to it. Its Vista for Mac.
In fact, I want only Big Sur - better overall

(also, it would mean redesign so yeah, I want Big Sur only)

I'm still at Mojave on all my macs. Not loving the idea of having to leave it if I get a new computer.
All I'm saying is that Big Sur brings another new bag of changes (and therefore possibly a bag of hurt) so if the new iMac cones out with Catalina, at least I can choiose WHICH bag of hurt I want to use.
Make sense?

 

[Dave245]

My 2012 iMac will not get the new MacOS this year, it's also running slow in some apps that I use (Final Cut Pro) luckily I have my 2019 MacBook Pro to run those apps. I was really hoping that Apple would update the iMac this year, even if they do it seems like it will only get a spec bump rather than the redesign that everyone seems to want.

 

[iDan75]

So if, at any point, we see a new iMac Design, expect that to be designed to cool the ARM Chips wich are supposed to run a lot cooler, even if it still comes with intel processing.

my 2011 21.5” is running very hot now, and the fans are kicking in where they never have in the past, so it’s become something I’m very aware of. My 13”mbp gets quite hot using Lightroom classic, so I’m ready to invest in a new iMac. It will be the smaller screen option, but with hopefully decent gpu options. AS/redesign can’t come soon enough⏳
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Check this for example with some benchmarks, final cut rendering and comments on fan noise.

Thanks for the link 👍

an interesting watch, but I won’t be spending anywhere near that much 🤑🤪😀

 

[Azrael9]

NVIDIA A100 'Ampere' benchmarked - "the fastest GPU ever recorded" - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA A100 tested Jules Urbach, the CEO of OTOY (a company specializing in holographic rendering in the cloud), shared first benchmark results of the NVIDIA A100 accelerator. The GPU is the first, and so far the only, Ampere-based graphics card (or more precisely a compute accelerator)...

videocardz.com

Ampere.

Azrael.

 

[DrRadon]

my 2011 21.5” is running very hot now, and the fans are kicking in where they never have in the past, so it’s become something I’m very aware of. My 13”mbp gets quite hot using Lightroom classic, so I’m ready to invest in a new iMac. It will be the smaller screen option, but with hopefully decent gpu options. AS/redesign can’t come soon enough⏳
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Thanks for the link 👍

an interesting watch, but I won’t be spending anywhere near that much 🤑🤪😀

If you pay less you will have "less problems". Less power, less heat, less cooling needed, less fan noise ect. ect.

 

[Azrael9]

Check this for example with some benchmarks, final cut rendering and comments on fan noise.

That was the model I considered by the 64 gigs of ram. When I'd got to £3.5k I thought the upsell was poor. Just didn't think it was worth it.

The design was old. The cooling inferior. The gpu middling. At £2500? I might have gone for that.

Seen the video before. Quite a few on the iMac. Which had noted that the fans didn't spin up that much and that it was quieter running. However, quite a few users have said they spin up and get quite loud.

Azrael.

 

[iDan75]

If you pay less you will have "less problems". Less power, less heat, less cooling needed, less fan noise ect. ect.

👍👍👍
That’s good to know, cheers!

 

[The_Lord_of_Apple]

Mandatory watching for where this ARM and AS transition is going.

Interesting!! I had to look up about RISC-V as well. That is an interesting take where the CPU battle could head next. Interesting arguments for RISC-V vs ARM

With Intel struggling at the moment and AMD seems to have an upper hand, I would love to see AMD CPUS inside more Microsoft devices. Maybe a special CPU collab between Microsoft & AMD on RISC-V.

As for that being in an iMac. There is hope it will be in an iMac. PErhaps the iMac Pro if that 'is' turning up at the end of the year?

If iMac comes mid-August. No chance.

If iMac Pro comes in the fall? Likely.

There was talk about the iMac Pro yesterday and now you are putting things into my head.

So the redesigned Intel iMac is not coming in August and I have no idea if the redesign will come silently in the October event or much later. If later then a spec bumped iMac Pro looks tempting.

 

[pldelisle]

Meanwhile at Intel : https://www.theverge.com/2020/7/27/...rly4yNttMpuvLuJHW0X-qHtK3cP0ZOM2Mqhk9ZuvrFhpI

 

[Patchwork]

NVIDIA A100 'Ampere' benchmarked - "the fastest GPU ever recorded" - VideoCardz.com

NVIDIA A100 tested Jules Urbach, the CEO of OTOY (a company specializing in holographic rendering in the cloud), shared first benchmark results of the NVIDIA A100 accelerator. The GPU is the first, and so far the only, Ampere-based graphics card (or more precisely a compute accelerator)...

videocardz.com

Ampere.

Azrael.

At $12,500 I'd hope it would be fast! To be fair it is designed for AI rather than general use, so still not a bad result.

 

[pldelisle]

At $12,500 I'd hope it would be fast! To be fair it is designed for AI rather than general use, so still not a bad result.

For me, it's definitively the best chip I could ever imagined. This thing is incredibly fast.
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Azrael.

Remember a couple of weeks ago I said in this thread I think that if Nvidia wants to survive, they must do something really big ? Yeah GPUs are still fine for a couple of years, but hardware specialized for software, less generic chips, custom SoC designs like the Apple Silicon is mostly the future ?

Nvidia Eyes Biggest-Ever Chip Deal in Pursuit of SoftBank's Armwww.bloomberg.com › news › articles › softbank-s-chip-company-ar...

This is the "something big".

Nvidia tried once with Tegra but was for the smartphone. They never could compare to Qualcomm, Apple, or Samsung. But what if now it's not for smartphone, but something slightly more power hungry ... Nvidia's legacy is that they were never been scared by power consumption. In fact, they produced the worst power efficient, yet most performant GPUs in the world for quite long. But what if SoC, but for HPC, would now be a thing at Nvidia ....

When the first thing you see when you arrive on Nvidia's website is "Gaming" at the very end of the menu and "University of Florida now AI-powered", gaming GPUs are the freaking last of Nvidia's worries. They are just useful at getting rid of malfunctioning chips through re-binning.

 

[jetjaguar]

Check this for example with some benchmarks, final cut rendering and comments on fan noise.

Doesn't seem to get loud at all. But on this forum it seems that the i9s sound like jet engines when they are pushed.

 

[dapa0s]

The last 274 pages if you're new to this thread:

"guys, the iMac will come this week."
"no, it won't."
-a link to a random "leaker" with 300 twitter followers.
"Guys, it's coming this week, I can feel it."
"Jon Prosser."
"if it doesn't have new cooling I'm literally going to quit Apple forever."
"ARM"
"Steve Jobs turning in his grave."
"A
Very
Long
Post
Explaining
Why
Apple
Is
Going
To
Do
Something"
-Apple does nothing.
"What about ARM?"
"Azrael."
"guys, it's this week!"

 

[xgman]

this has to be the longest imac thread in history, right?

 

[Patchwork]

Over 300 pages short of the mac mini refresh thread - let's hope it doesn't run that long.

 

[Freida]

There is plenty of time till October

Over 300 pages short of the mac mini refresh thread - let's hope it doesn't run that long.

 

[ginhb]

According to well-known leakers iHacktu Pro and Komiya, a new iMac will be revealed August 19th. Get your checkbooks or credit cards ready.

I'm not familiar with any leakers at all, let alone supposedly well-known names like the two listed. The info was from an investors article today about Apple's upcoming product release schedule. If the info is wrong, please don't file legal proceedings against me. It was just something I read.

 

[Azrael9]

For me, it's definitively the best chip I could ever imagined. This thing is incredibly fast.
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Remember a couple of weeks ago I said in this thread I think that if Nvidia wants to survive, they must do something really big ? Yeah GPUs are still fine for a couple of years, but hardware specialized for software, less generic chips, custom SoC designs like the Apple Silicon is mostly the future ?

Nvidia Eyes Biggest-Ever Chip Deal in Pursuit of SoftBank's Armwww.bloomberg.com › news › articles › softbank-s-chip-company-ar...

This is the "something big".

Nvidia tried once with Tegra but was for the smartphone. They never could compare to Qualcomm, Apple, or Samsung. But what if now it's not for smartphone, but something slightly more power hungry ... Nvidia's legacy is that they were never been scared by power consumption. In fact, they produced the worst power efficient, yet most performant GPUs in the world for quite long. But what if SoC, but for HPC, would now be a thing at Nvidia ....

When the first thing you see when you arrive on Nvidia's website is "Gaming" at the very end of the menu and "University of Florida now AI-powered", gaming GPUs are the freaking last of Nvidia's worries. They are just useful at getting rid of malfunctioning chips through re-binning.View attachment 938222

Yes. I recall you saying.

Nvidia are diversifying.

Azrael.
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The last 274 pages if you're new to this thread:

"guys, the iMac will come this week."
"no, it won't."
-a link to a random "leaker" with 300 twitter followers.
"Guys, it's coming this week, I can feel it."
"Jon Prosser."
"if it doesn't have new cooling I'm literally going to quit Apple forever."
"ARM"
"Steve Jobs turning in his grave."
"A
Very
Long
Post
Explaining
Why
Apple
Is
Going
To
Do
Something"
-Apple does nothing.
"What about ARM?"
"Azrael."
"guys, it's this week!"

Azrael? You got that right.

And Steve Jobs spinning in his grave.

Azrael.
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If your Mac is dead or so badly performing for your production work you can buy now.

If you have a decently working Mac or can 'hang on'...? Wait.

The Intel Mac will be worth buying if you need Intel Mac software/plug in assurance along with BootCamp. This will likely come in August with the new round of whispers. A moderate all around boost in performance.

The iMac24 with redesign will likely follow on its heels in half a year's time. It will bring 50-100% better performance.

Azrael.
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this has to be the longest imac thread in history, right?

It must be close. If not we can work hard to make it longer. (She said.)

Azrael.
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There is plenty of time till October

The plenty of time to make it (the iMac thread...) longer.

Azrael.
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According to well-known leakers iHacktu Pro and Komiya, a new iMac will be revealed August 19th. Get your checkbooks or credit cards ready.

I'm not familiar with any leakers at all, let alone supposedly well-known names like the two listed. The info was from an investors article today about Apple's upcoming product release schedule. If the info is wrong, please don't file legal proceedings against me. It was just something I read.

Yep. Thank you for sharing. Aug 19th. That's about 3 weeks from now. Seems about right from the stock outs. And even the 'stockpiling' of Intel cpus which seem to be in short supply.

Apple can just about do 'a' something every month.

July. iEarth.
Aug. Intel iMac.
Sep. iPhone.
Oct. AS MB.

Azrael.

 

[EugW]

What's the point of releasing a new iMac without it being redesigned..mind as well just wait for ARM and a complete redesign

Some people need to do real work on their computers. If they need a computer, they need a computer.

Plus, as mentioned before, for a lot of people ARM will be a big problem in the early years due to software support, compatibility, and bugs.

Serious question. Are current iMacs really as bad as this forum makes out? Overheating seems to be a huge problem. Is it only power users that have the issue or do they run hot all the time?

And Catalina... everyone seems to hate it, but I’ve not encountered any issues. What does everyone hate about it?

Catalina is fine, but it kills support for some software, so that is bound to annoy some people.

As for the iMacs, the top tier iMacs have needed better cooling since 2017 or even earlier. I bought a 2017 Core i7 iMac and returned it in a week because it was just loud far too often. I bought a 2017 Core i5 instead, which is much, much better. The 2019 and potential 2020 chips get hot even faster than the one in that 2017 Core i7 iMac I bought. The sad part is such a cooling system was already introduced in 2017 in the iMac Pro, but Apple hasn't wanted to use it on the consumer iMacs.

 

[Azrael9]

The last 274 pages if you're new to this thread:

"guys, the iMac will come this week."
"no, it won't."
-a link to a random "leaker" with 300 twitter followers.
"Guys, it's coming this week, I can feel it."
"Jon Prosser."
"if it doesn't have new cooling I'm literally going to quit Apple forever."
"ARM"
"Steve Jobs turning in his grave."
"A
Very
Long
Post
Explaining
Why
Apple
Is
Going
To
Do
Something"
-Apple does nothing.
"What about ARM?"
"Azrael."
"guys, it's this week!"

It's always 'this week.'

The Hope Springs Eternal Society.

Azrael.
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As for the iMacs, the top tier iMacs have needed better cooling since 2017 or even earlier. I bought a 2017 Core i7 iMac and returned it in a week because it was just loud far too often. I bought a 2017 Core i5 instead, which is much, much better. The 2019 and potential 2020 chips get hot even faster than the one in that 2017 Core i7 iMac I bought. The sad part is such a cooling system was already introduced in 2017 in the iMac Pro, but Apple hasn't wanted to use it on the consumer iMacs.

The iMac design isn't good for running components on the bleeding edge without bleeding edge cooling. But then, if Apple can't put a decent, recent(!) gpu in there...why would they give us better cooling?

If you want decent cooling or 3 year old gpus...you have to pay £4999.

ie.

Because Apple are skinflints.

£1750 and upwards and they can't put two fans/vents in there like they did with the iMac Pro?

No...let the consumer iMacs fry and they'll buy another one after its cooked...or get it fixed expensively at our 'happy to help' stores.

Azrael.

 

[Freida]

I'm not waiting for august, I set my mind on October and thats when we will get the awesome update. Nothing will happen before that

See? I should start a twitter account

It will be like : 'In my dream, Apple will disappoint us again' :-D :-D :-D

 

[EugW]

I'm not waiting for august, I set my mind on October and thats when we will get the awesome update. Nothing will happen before that

See? I should start a twitter account

It will be like : 'In my dream, Apple will disappoint us again' :-D :-D :-D

I was predicting July but if not July then August. It’s looking like July may not happen so I’ll fall back on August.

Yeah maybe I should have a lame twitter feed too.

Seriously though, l0vetodream is a reasonably good twitter account. CoinX was good too, but we haven’t heard from CoinX recently unfortunately.

 

[Azrael9]

Check this for example with some benchmarks, final cut rendering and comments on fan noise.

He said.

Azrael.
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Interesting!! I had to look up about RISC-V as well. That is an interesting take where the CPU battle could head next. Interesting arguments for RISC-V vs ARM

Funny how tech' always comes down 'two' rival opponents... ("just" like that...)

Azrael.
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8k gaming...

Azrael.
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On the horizon...(no...it's here. A year ago...)

The 'Ultimo.'

Azrael.