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Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?
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Better PPI? For what?
5k on a 27“ (219 PPI) is more than enough, the Pro XDR has 218
Ah I think they'll make an imac with the 8k screen and then charge $10k for it lol
Well...
That twitter guy said some stuff that came true and for apple... they had something new in March, they had something new in April... now they could bring us something new with iMac this month and next month they get to focus on the OS updates at WWDC.
I don't need a redesign... i just have 4500€ sitting here waiting to not be spend on a model that is over a year old, but i really need a new iMac since my last one is 2012 and thats not handling HD/4k video well in editing. >_>
Normal events it's a week i think. But they have not don that in the last two month so i would not bet on it.
That twitter guy said some stuff that came true and for apple... they had something new in March, they had something new in April... now they could bring us something new with iMac this month and next month they get to focus on the OS updates at WWDC.
I don't need a redesign... i just have 4500€ sitting here waiting to not be spend on a model that is over a year old, but i really need a new iMac since my last one is 2012 and thats not handling HD/4k video well in editing. >_>
Normal events it's a week i think. But they have not don that in the last two month so i would not bet on it.
New 13 inch MacBook Pro announced today so guess new iMac won’t be announced until next month at the earliest.
So it didn't go '14' inch, then? At least you get SSDs as standard.
I hope that doesn't have implications for the iMac potential redesign.
So far, it all seems 'consolidated' or 'spec' bump releases for Apple machines this year.
Azrael.
I hope that doesn't have implications for the iMac potential redesign.
So far, it all seems 'consolidated' or 'spec' bump releases for Apple machines this year.
Azrael.
Not necessarily. Remember that one week as few months ago that apple released like four new products in a week.
Although I am still thinking WWDC for new iMac’s
*nods.
I think the 'hope' is the fact that the iMac hasn't been released yet means something other than a spec bump.
But looking at the rest of what's been released this year what I've typed doesn't make much sense.
i10s, SSDs as standard with 16 gigs of ram on all 27 inch models would be welcome spec boosts.
But it's crumbs of comfort. I expect more than evolution. The iMac was supposed to be about innovation and design. It's grimly hanging onto those thick bezels and design that has been far eclipsed by the MS desktop Studio.
The 'Mac' romantic in me (or what's left of it) is looking towards WWDC. *fingers and toes crossed.
Azrael.
Also thinking of WWDC for the new iMac. Wish it will be available quickly, my MacBook Pro 15 late-2013 is dying with its battery which is getting swollen. Wish an iMac with 10-core, at least 32 GB of RAM and T2 chip, no matter which design it is !
A swollen battery? On an Apple laptop? :O
I'm with you on the 10 core, 32 gig of ram option. Hopefully with a Radeon 5700XT option. It's a low to medium end card, so hopefully Apple can come through on that.
I also note SSDs as standard on the Macbook line up. That needs to happen on the iMac.
Azrael.
Totally agree.
Yeah, the laptop spins by itself on a table. There is clearly a bump underneath, located right under the middle battery cell. Trackpad starts to not feel like before too. And can't go to repair since all Apple store are closed in Canada. I must admit the laptop is almost 7 years old, has heated a freakin lot (scientific programming, average temp is 85-90 degrees at all time), and have been mostly used docked with two external displays, which is not quite good for a battery. That's why my next one will be an iMac. Was hesitating with the Mac mini but I don't think the Mini could follow me. I want a major bump. Or if they refresh the iMac Pro with Cascade Lake, that would be an interesting choice too. The GPU is a bit useless for me since all my workload is on CUDA (I have servers for this), but CPU power is required.
I have an iPad Pro, but still can't code on it seriously.
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The MacBook Pro 13" didn't go 14", some models didn't even go 10th Gen for Intel and none of them appear to have Wifi 6.
It might be that the graphics grunt just wasn't there to power what would have been a higher resolution Retina display, they might be waiting for a super-update next year in the shape of Rocket Lake U.
With miniLED on the horizon (early next year apparently) I'd suggest that next year could be the year for these updates.
Where does it leave the iMac though? Storage or RAM bump of the 2019 model just like the Mac mini?
Apple could easily just push 9th Generation Coffee Lake Refresh CPUs into the existing range and call it the 2020 model. The top SKU iMac 27" already carries Coffee Lake refresh 9th generation CPUs.
The 21.5" iMac BTOs are still 1-2 weeks away, iMac Pro BTOs are late May, while 27" iMac BTOs are pushing into June.
As with the MacBook Pro 13" the real updates appear to be coming with miniLED next year.
It might be that the graphics grunt just wasn't there to power what would have been a higher resolution Retina display, they might be waiting for a super-update next year in the shape of Rocket Lake U.
With miniLED on the horizon (early next year apparently) I'd suggest that next year could be the year for these updates.
Where does it leave the iMac though? Storage or RAM bump of the 2019 model just like the Mac mini?
Apple could easily just push 9th Generation Coffee Lake Refresh CPUs into the existing range and call it the 2020 model. The top SKU iMac 27" already carries Coffee Lake refresh 9th generation CPUs.
The 21.5" iMac BTOs are still 1-2 weeks away, iMac Pro BTOs are late May, while 27" iMac BTOs are pushing into June.
As with the MacBook Pro 13" the real updates appear to be coming with miniLED next year.
While Wifi6 is implemented by default I think in the 10th gen Intel PCH, I don't think Apple ever used Intel wifi. I always seen Broadcom chips. That would explain why.
Agree with Mini-LED. The next complete redesign is coming once this kind of display meets Retina standard and color quality. But what's Apple just need to do is to make an iMac with all-flash storage, use T2 chip, and not push 9th gen, but 10th gen CPU. Problem is, 10th Gen CPUs consume an insane amount of power. And while they could use iMac Pro cooling system, this implies a complete redesign of iMac's internals for what ... a generation, maybe two before switching to Apple A-chip...
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3733MHz RAM (of course LP) on the new 13" MBP.
For once it seems Apple has not chosen an average and safe frequency but went full-on. I really hope this is the attitude with the new iMac, given the 10th gen CPUs aren't that exciting.
I also hope AMD has already shipped custom RDNA2 cards to Apple for the new iMacs and IMP (if there will be one) but that might mean more likely a September/October deadline since AMD is expected to present the new cards by Q4.
Nevertheless, the Vega GPU (and recently the Radeon 5300) were first introduced by Apple, before any other PC models had been even announced and I think it wasn't the first time it happened.
If Apple wants to keep at least their market quota of personal computers (desktop,HPC,notebooks...) by updating on average every 18/24 months, with all the competitors ready to deploy as fast as the new CPU/GPU comes on the market, they need at least to come up with a model with recent components. Vega GPUs are quite old now and very expensive. RDNA cards are good, but still almost a year old already...
RDNA2 will be much faster and cheaper than RDNA GPUs, allowing for a perceivable step up in performance for the new iMacs. Again, given the CPUs will barely be part of the marketing cues, they'll need some case redesign, new screens, new Tx chip and hopefully a better webcam (come on, even the iPhone SE has a better front camera!) and yada yada all the rest we said already on this thread.
This is just a personal hope. However, I have been a Mac user since 1986 and very rarely Apple has presented a Mac that got *all* the features I was expecting and needing.
On a PC (or the cheesegrater) I could have bought the machine and update the part to add the feature I needed. With an AIO such as the iMac, I will be shivering inside at the introduction while reading through the specs
For once it seems Apple has not chosen an average and safe frequency but went full-on. I really hope this is the attitude with the new iMac, given the 10th gen CPUs aren't that exciting.
I also hope AMD has already shipped custom RDNA2 cards to Apple for the new iMacs and IMP (if there will be one) but that might mean more likely a September/October deadline since AMD is expected to present the new cards by Q4.
Nevertheless, the Vega GPU (and recently the Radeon 5300) were first introduced by Apple, before any other PC models had been even announced and I think it wasn't the first time it happened.
If Apple wants to keep at least their market quota of personal computers (desktop,HPC,notebooks...) by updating on average every 18/24 months, with all the competitors ready to deploy as fast as the new CPU/GPU comes on the market, they need at least to come up with a model with recent components. Vega GPUs are quite old now and very expensive. RDNA cards are good, but still almost a year old already...
RDNA2 will be much faster and cheaper than RDNA GPUs, allowing for a perceivable step up in performance for the new iMacs. Again, given the CPUs will barely be part of the marketing cues, they'll need some case redesign, new screens, new Tx chip and hopefully a better webcam (come on, even the iPhone SE has a better front camera!) and yada yada all the rest we said already on this thread.
This is just a personal hope. However, I have been a Mac user since 1986 and very rarely Apple has presented a Mac that got *all* the features I was expecting and needing.
On a PC (or the cheesegrater) I could have bought the machine and update the part to add the feature I needed. With an AIO such as the iMac, I will be shivering inside at the introduction while reading through the specs
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I believe the MacBook Pro has been SSD as standard since 2012, the Air since 2010. It should have happened on the iMac long ago.
To me, the iPad Pro just isn't big enough. A 16 inch option would be better if you wanted to code or do anything meaningful. 12.9 seems tiny to me...to get anything done. I'd be ok for doing sketches in Procreate and light computing tasks. But anything more substantial I like room to move.
The Mac Mini would be a great little machine if they put dGPU in it.
I suspect that an iPad will one day be a Mac ARM iMac with a large screen.
GPU is increasingly an important part of creating or games or feeding that 27 inch screen. For some workloads it is less signficant of course. However, as the 'creative workstation' of choice...we expect more than out of date Radeon dGPUs.
Azrael.
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3733MHz RAM (of course LP) on the new 13" MBP.
For once it seems Apple has not chosen an average and safe frequency but went full-on. I really hope this is the attitude with the new iMac, given the 10th gen CPUs aren't that exciting.
I also hope AMD has already shipped custom RDNA2 cards to Apple for the new iMacs and IMP (if there will be one) but that might mean more likely a September/October deadline since AMD is expected to present the new cards by Q4.
Nevertheless, the Vega GPU (and recently the Radeon 5300) were first introduced by Apple, before any other PC models had been even announced and I think it wasn't the first time it happened.
If Apple wants to keep at least their market quota of personal computers (desktop,HPC,notebooks...) by updating on average every 18/24 months, with all the competitors ready to deploy as fast as the new CPU/GPU comes on the market, they need at least to come up with a model with recent components. Vega GPUs are quite old now and very expensive. RDNA cards are good, but still almost a year old already...
RDNA2 will be much faster and cheaper than RDNA GPUs, allowing for a perceivable step up in performance for the new iMacs. Again, given the CPUs will barely be part of the marketing cues, they'll need some case redesign, new screens, new Tx chip and hopefully a better webcam (come on, even the iPhone SE has a better front camera!) and yada yada all the rest we said already on this thread.
This is just a personal hope. However, I have been a Mac user since 1986 and very rarely Apple has presented a Mac that got *all* the features I was expecting and needing.
On a PC (or the cheesegrater) I could have bought the machine and update the part to add the feature I needed. With an AIO such as the iMac, I will be shivering inside at the introduction while reading through the specs
I'd love to see RDNA2 in an iMac. But Apple are struggling to get a 5700XT in an iMac and that's been around for ages.
Enjoyed your hopeful post.
Regards,
Azrael.
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*nods.
True. I've long wondered why desktops are now 2nd class Mac citizens compared to laptops...or the iMac more pointedly. The Mini has SSD. But not the iMac?
iMac users or buyers should just complain to Apple. And be vocal about it on social media.
Azrael.
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That's the point of what I was saying. RDNA are still too hot for the performance the iMac needs. At present, you'd expect the 5600 to be the top of the line (maybe an underclocked 5700). With RDNA2 they could market a boost in performance with respect to the Vega48. I don't think Big Navi (RDNA2 top card) will ever get into an iMac. Perhaps the IMP, very likely the MP.
They tend to down clock the Vegas in the iMac Pro as those gpus run hot? With the superior cooling in the iMac Pro...brought to the regular iMac then...we can expect more reach with i10 ten core gpus and gpu options.
5700XT. AMD are getting better. But like you said, the RDNA2...will have '50%' efficiency re: the last generation. That makes it a much better candidate.
In the meantime, though...they might down clock a 5700XT variant into an iMac BTO with superior iMac Pro style cooling.
The mainstream iMac options. I guess they have the 5500, 5600, 5700 and XT variants.
As for big Navi? Apple seem to have a problem getting 'big anything' graphics into their desktop or laptop line. The only big graphics I can think of are options (not standard) in the Mac Pro. Starting at? £6k.
Azrael.
This is a major redesign you are talking about with iMac Pro cooling in an iMac... Since the CPUs are quite different, it's a complete motherboard redesign for the iMac you are asking about
This is a major redesign you are talking about with iMac Pro cooling in an iMac... Since the CPUs are quite different, it's a complete motherboard redesign for the iMac you are asking about
With rumours of the 23 inch 'low cost' (relative to the sun) iMac emerging...we can only be hopeful that Apple democratise the the iMac Pro as a 32 inch 6k redesign that improves the thermal capacity to take in superior performance components.
Major redesign? The down side? Apple doesn't seem to be doing 'major' redesigns so far this year. (Or the last ten years in terms of the iMac.)
Perish the thought that Apple do motherboard redesigns.
When the iMac they released last year screamed nominal effort.Hope springs internal. (But I've got my 'boooooooo' button on standby.
)Azrael.