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When do you expect an iMac redesign?

  • 4rd quarter 2019

    Votes: 34 4.1%
  • 1st quarter 2020

    Votes: 23 2.8%
  • 2nd quarter 2020

    Votes: 119 14.5%
  • 3rd quarter 2020

    Votes: 131 15.9%
  • 4rd quarter 2020

    Votes: 172 20.9%
  • 2021 or later

    Votes: 343 41.7%

  • Total voters
    822
  • Poll closed .

Is this the right Ram for the 2020 IMAC. Also I have been reading that you should put the apple memory in positions 2 and four and the crucial memory in 1 and 3. Can anyone confirm the advantages of this. I have no idea what this is talking about.
 
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Since many people were asking which RAM modules they could use to upgrade the 2019 or 2020 iMac, here are once and for all the compatible memory modules for both models.



Memory upgrade compatibility list for iMac 2019-2020


Compatibles Crucial part numbers :

* Not in the official Crucial Memory for Mac Systems compatibility list, but shares the same specs as certified Mac compatible memory so it should work.

See the 2666 MT/s modules in
Crucial Memory for Mac Systems


Compatible Kingston part numbers :


Compatible OWC part numbers :


Compatible Samsung part numbers:


iMac 2019-2020 needs :
  • PC4-21333
  • Unbuffered
  • Nonparity
  • 260-pin DR (Dual Ranked) or SR (Single Ranked)
  • 2666MHz
  • CL19
  • 1.2v
  • Source : Install memory in an iMac.

Any other kits not listed in these part numbers are at your own risk.


See Installation instructions upon receiving your RAM module(s).
 
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On the conversation of being a "sucker" for buying this machine, while in the grand timeline of new processors and GPUs on the horizon, it may be questionable, this is a good machine, especially in my context: A longtime mac lover who needs windows to game. I got the base top end i7 and spec'd up to 5700XT 16GB and 1TB SSD, plus $75 worth of OWC RAM to bring the machine up to 24GB of RAM.

In all I'll be spending just over $3200, but in the process I get a one of a kind 5K display, found elsewhere in a less desirable package for $1200 when available (it's not right now), a custom ~$600 GPU PC users couldn't get if they wanted to (I know of the slight down clocking but overall the RAM increase will be helpful) a $400+ 8 core i7 CPU I didn't really need but am happy to have, Free Airpods, a generous (~300) student discount with no verification process (I qualify, maybe past purchases preverify) and the assembly, power supply, keyboard, peripherals, Apple Care+, so this machine is no one else's problem but Apple's if the machine bites it in the next 3 years.

On sound, the loudest this machine will get will be quieter than any windows machine with AMD or Intel, my house mate has a 2070S, i7 9th gen, high end motherboard, a bunch-o-fans, and has been encouraging me to go the PC route but I hate the prospect of a bunch of space being taken up for a heat locker that I am solely responsible for managing, and if something goes wrong, lets check the Rolodex of the 13 companies that make up the parts of this machine and see if the warranty is still valid. Not a fun prospect.

I mean, I priced this out and If I wanted a comparable windows machine it wouldn't be much less in cost, wouldn't really look like $3000 and take hours of my time to assemble and troubleshoot. Not mention no company has a comparable warranty, $135-160 for this iMac for 3 years of all around walk in service. HP, Dell, etc charge 4x that with some earn back rebate crap. This is a no brainier for me after months engrossed in the cesspool of PC parts/prebuilds windows shopping, despite the aging design this is a great release on the high end in my opinion, certainly blows the iMac Pro out of the water unless they update it with RDNA2 in a few months and make me commit seppuku. Luckily unlike the PC I'll be able to sell this puppy with ease for a good portion of its initial worth if I choose do so. Happy for this all around despite no RDNA 2 or redesign, AS is just around the corner and game streaming is taking baby steps so I'm happy to have this last intel/AMD holdover on my way into the future.

Great post. I actually smiled when I read it. ;)

I guess I could call myself a 'sucker' for Apple. I love MacOS. It's Persian Jewel in the Apple crown. Without it, I wouldn't buy Apple kit.

Couldn't argue with anything you said. Well, met, Sir.

On point with Apple Care+.

I'll add that in due course.

As for the seppuku. Good news. Add any RDNA2 via eGPU chassis? And you'll still be a chunk of change cheaper than the stock iMac Pro.

There's plenty of longevity in this Intel Mac release. 2D. Video (with the new codec support...). 3D (now with 8 core standard and 10 core BTO only previously available on a very expensive iMac Pro...). Games? HD? Gaming? On this? A piece of pish.

All in all, a worthy epitaph for the iMac we knew. (If we'd heard nothing of AS this WWDC? We might have moaned about the iStale design and the cooling...or winced at how we can be 'this close' to RDNA2 but not have it as a BTO option...)

A fitting conclusion as we come to the end of the iNtel and AMD iMac rainbow...

It doesn't lack performance. Dusting the Mac Pro in the process and pulling the iMac Pro around on the value performance equation.

But most of all, the ********sake Fusion drive is dead.

Azrael.
 
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So there it is.
And if they also embed RAM in the SoC, with the Unified memory architecture, as they say, then we will have to pay a good extra for it... in advance. Soldered ssd and invisible Ram for the AS iMacs, will they have some RAM slots?
If not, no escape then, no Crucial, no options... also forget the slightest repair.


This is actually quite sad. It's seemed an inevitability given the shift to monetising every aspect of the iMac for quite a while. I feel good about my new purchase of the final intel iMac for now with this in mind.

It doesn't seem that long ago that I could easily add RAM to a Powerbook. IMO it's kind of outrageous to have to buy non user accessible RAM in machines that have slowly become status symbol level expensive.

Thank God this most current iMac still has at least this one Steve Jobs design principle left in it.
 

He gets to the actual point of the lowest end iMac starting at around 9:00.

About 9:18 in the video. " when at load ... sits at around 97C with fan running at half speed . Apple prioritizes decibels over degrees".
The base model iMac is running somewhat high and there isn't even of the more higher power consuming components in it. ( i5 and Pro 5300 4GB VRAM ).

Hopefully, Apple lets go of that "decibels over degrees" for the stuff at the top of the BTO configurations. That will pragmatically need to flip in over priority at the top end. I suspect that it closer to that Apple set the target level to being 97-102 and fans will crank toward that zone .
 
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About 9:18 in the video. " when at load ... sits at around 97C with fan running at half speed . Apple prioritizes decibels over degrees".
The base model iMac is running somewhat high and there isn't even of the more higher power consuming components in it. ( i5 and Pro 5300 4GB VRAM ).

Hopefully, Apple lets go of that "decibels over degrees" for the stuff at the top of the BTO configurations. That will pragmatically need to flip in over priority at the top end. I suspect that it closer to that Apple set the target level to being 97-102 and fans will crank toward that zone .
This is tweakable with iStat Menu or Mac Fan Controls app.
 
Little update.. played WoW for a little bit and the fans ramp up pretty quickly. I need to install some temp monitoring software but it is definitely noticeable. I have the highest stock model.
 
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Is this the right Ram for the 2020 IMAC. Also I have been reading that you should put the apple memory in positions 2 and four and the crucial memory in 1 and 3. Can anyone confirm the advantages of this. I have no idea what this is talking about.
See my post, but no, this kit is not compatible.
 
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Little update.. played WoW for a little bit and the fans ramp up pretty quickly. I need to install some temp monitoring software but it is definitely noticeable. I have the highest stock model.

I think constant load is the iMacs major issue, even on the pro. From what i understand the work tasks rather pulse in the work to keep the heat down while games are just full on demanding at every second.
 
Little update.. played WoW for a little bit and the fans ramp up pretty quickly. I need to install some temp monitoring software but it is definitely noticeable. I have the highest stock model.

I never really noticed the fans on my 2012 27 incher (680MX) gpu playing WoW at all.

Anything else running? Do you have Metal enabled on it?

So you have the Tier 3 8 core/5500XT?

Azrael.
 
What resolution are you playing in WoW?

The old Vanilla WoW maps aren't as demanding. But certainly in the later patches, the graphics become more demanding...even though, essentially, it's an old game.

Azrael.
 
I think constant load is the iMacs major issue, even on the pro. From what i understand the work tasks rather pulse in the work to keep the heat down while games are just full on demanding at every second.

That's it in a nutshell.

Constant load. And I suppose it depends on what kind of sustained loading it is.

Azrael.
 
I never really noticed the fans on my 2012 27 incher (680MX) gpu playing WoW at all.

Anything else running? Do you have Metal enabled on it?

So you have the Tier 3 8 core/5500XT?

Azrael.

On my 2012 21.5 inch the fans kick in pretty quick in these summer days.


I want to see how FM2020 performs to be honest. I just want to breeze through the in game week with 10 cores.
 
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I never really noticed the fans on my 2012 27 incher (680MX) gpu playing WoW at all.

Anything else running? Do you have Metal enabled on it?

So you have the Tier 3 8 core/5500XT?

Azrael.

T3 yes. I have a 2012 with the 680mx as well and it is silent playing wow. The only other things I have open in safari and email. I dunno if I have metal enabled. How do I check that ?
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What resolution are you playing in WoW?

The old Vanilla WoW maps aren't as demanding. But certainly in the later patches, the graphics become more demanding...even though, essentially, it's an old game.

Azrael.

2560x1440
 
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Memory upgrade compatibility list for iMac 2019-2020

Compatibles Crucial parts numbers :

  • CT8G4S266M (1x8 GB)
  • CT16G4S266M (1x16 GB)
  • CT32G4S266M (1x32 GB)
  • CT2K8G4S266M (2x8GB kit)
  • CT2K16G4S266M (2x16 GB kit)
  • CT2K32G4S266M (2x32 GB kit)

    See the 2666 MT/s modules in Crucial Memory for Mac Systems
Compatible Kingston parts numbers :

  • KCP426SS6/4 (1x4 GB)
  • KCP426SS8/8 (1x8 GB)
  • KCP426SD8/16 (1x16 GB)
  • KCP426SD8/32 (1x32 GB)

Compatible OWC parts numbers :

  • 2666DDR4S16P (2x8 GB kit)
  • 2666DDR4S32S (4x8 GB kit)
  • 2666DDR4S32P (2x16 GB kit)
  • 2666DDR4S64S (4x16 GB kit)
  • 2666DDR4S64P (2x32 GB kit)
  • 2666DDR4S96S (2x32 + 2x16 GB kit)
  • 2666DR4S128S (4x32 GB kit)

iMac 2019-2020 needs DDR4 SODIMM 260-pin DR (Dual Ranked) or SR (Single Ranked) 2666 MHz CL19 1.2V memory.

Is it possible to pin this ?

What about this one too?
 
On my 2012 21.5 inch the fans kick in pretty quick in these summer days.


I want to see how FM2020 performs to be honest. I just want to breeze through the in game week with 10 cores.

To be fair, I'm in an attic studio (heat rises...) and if the window is closed it gets stiflingly hot.

British weather can get very warm and muggy (today being a 'great' example of that.') Not my cup of earl grey at all.

As for the FM2020. When you get your (!) iMac, please post some FPS figures and screenshots? Try it at HD, 4k/5k etc. I'm curious to the perf' on it.

Azrael.
 
Rbfinch2. Congrats on your rig and arrival! You're giving Max a run for getting it in and benched!!!!

Highly respectable. You're performing as well as the 8 core Ryzen 7 on Cinebench(!), there...which caught a few plaudits.

That is as well as a Ryzen 7 1000 series ( Zen 1 ) . The Ryzen 7 3000 series (Zen 2 ) is out now with 4000 ( Zen 3 ) coming at the end of the year.
 
T3 yes. I have a 2012 with the 680mx as well and it is silent playing wow. The only other things I have open in safari and email. I dunno if I have metal enabled. How do I check that ?
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2560x1440

Advanced options in WoW. Check out the gpu settings. Open GL. Change to Metal. (I used to play, don't any more. But I can remember this...just about...)

Check your FPS on different zones. eg. Vanilla (old wow) compared to the more recent patches which are more intensive (eg Legion zones...)

Something is a bit odd there if your 680mx (and mine formerly....) were playing WoW on silent but a far more modern GPU isn't.

2560x1440. The 5500XT should handle that ez as pish.

Though I would also try the HD setting of 1900 x 1200. Compare, please, if you can.

Can you tell me the fps of the 2560x1440 vs 1900x1200. And which zones of WoW you are in.

Also. Note. You have the WoW 1-10 performance settings. (As easy way of setting performance from basic to advanced...and WoW can often pre-arrange this setting for you. And it can stand some tweaking eg. Occlusion to turn off or advanced gimmicks which will make the gpu work harder.) So if you can tell me what performance number your iMac has in WoW from 1-10. (It should be in advanced/gpu settings.)

Have a nosey around.

Another thing I'd do. Is tweak lighting/shadows/occlusion and see how it 'feels'. You can have it weighted to performance or quality.

Azrael.
 
Advanced options in WoW. Check out the gpu settings. Open GL. Change to Metal. (I used to play, don't any more. But I can remember this...just about...)

Check your FPS on different zones. eg. Vanilla (old wow) compared to the more recent patches which are more intensive (eg Legion zones...)

Something is a bit odd there if your 680mx (and mine formerly....) were playing WoW on silent but a far more modern GPU isn't.

2560x1440. The 5500XT should handle that ez as pish.

Though I would also try the HD setting of 1900 x 1200. Compare, please, if you can.

Can you tell me the fps of the 2560x1440 vs 1900x1200. And which zones of WoW you are in.

Also. Note. You have the WoW 1-10 performance settings. (As easy way of setting performance from basic to advanced...and WoW can often pre-arrange this setting for you. And it can stand some tweaking eg. Occlusion to turn off or advanced gimmicks which will make the gpu work harder.) So if you can tell me what performance number your iMac has in WoW from 1-10. (It should be in advanced/gpu settings.)

Have a nosey around.

Another thing I'd do. Is tweak lighting/shadows/occlusion and see how it 'feels'. You can have it weighted to performance or quality.

Azrael.


When I get some time I will but I checked and metal is enabled and it is running at 8 out of 10. I am in the BoA xpac zones. It runs fine with no stuttering or anything but I was just saying that the fan ramps up pretty quickly or at least it did and then I stopped noticing. Maybe because of the music etc.
 
As for the FM2020. When you get your (!) iMac, please post some FPS figures and screenshots? Try it at HD, 4k/5k etc. I'm curious to the perf' on it.

Azrael.

I actually love having it in window mode and just play a week or so when i take breaks.
I think most of the load on that game is on the CPU, i am looking forward to just ramping up as many leagues and players in the active database as possible.
The game runs on 256MB VRAM and uses metal. 4k should be doable on our machines. ;)
 
Someone under that news post pointed out soldered ssd was a neccecery for t2. But i thought it is not since MacPro has replaceable apple t2 SSDs?

The iMac Pro and Mac Pro both use socketed SSD modules with the T2.

Most-likely reason for soldering on the systemboard is for packaging and performance reasons (better for both). It costs Apple more to solder since they now have to stock a separate systemboard for each capacity. Plus with the T2 chip even if it was still socketed you would not be able to swap modules unless they were from Apple (like the Mac Pro upgrade kits).

But Apple has been doing this with the MacBook line for a decade so... I fully expect storage will be soldered on the Apple Silicon models, as well.
 
... if they did not change the cooling there must be crazy amounts of spaces inside now, with no fusion drive data corner an the SSD slot gone with the new SSD just soddered on somewhere. ...
It's actually a good news for cooling. Seems like the internal got a major revision.

If they soldered the NAND chips to the board then not particularly a big board space "win" there, nor a huge cooling victory.
 

He gets to the actual point of the lowest end iMac starting at around 9:00.

I've had chance to watch the full video in more detail.

And I can't disagree with Luke. He has a nice line of incisive passive aggressive patter as he slips the knife in over certain things. Eg. I can't believe the SSD...we're talking as a feature upgrade...in 2020...amongst other pearlers.

The entry model is faster performing. The GPU is better all around. (He provides benches for this...) And will game in HD well enough.

A 6 core with hyperthreading will provide decent rendering and modelling on this should be good enough.

With more ram and bigger external SSDs. 'Good enough.'

And in the end, Luke gives this 'stale', 12 year old design the kudos for the improvements in performance it brings...with the caveat caution of AS on the horizon.

Azrael.
 
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