I liked the insight of this post. Brutal though it was. *dusts himself down.*
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I liked the insight of this post. Brutal though it was. *dusts himself down.*
Azrael.
iSpace.
...why didn't they just ship the iMac Pro case with iGray..?
It is effectively an iMac Pro without the cooling. ie. A massive price cut.
What was the price of the 10 core iMac Pro before this iMac 2020 came out? iWince?
£6k or more?
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Bah golly she is the sweetest.
BUT as soon as she said Apple gave her a advance testing dealio i knew the review was over.
Heh, heh, heh...
Dr. Dr...
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I feel that games in the 90's had much better gameplay than most games now.
Sure, the graphics are so nice and polished and blah blah blah but who cares? If the game is not engaging and gameplay is not amazing then nothing will save it.
Its the same like Marvel movies - they look great with all the fluff but story is crap. (And I did work on some of those titles too
I would rather have games from 90's refreshed to today's standard but keep the gameplay etc.
ie. remastered versions. Some of the gems are pretty much lost these days.
WoW - I played (and cleared) everything in Burning Crusade (including Illidan himself) but then I kinda lost interest (or I grew up, one of those
Haven't tried vanilla but my partner wants to so maybe when winter in Canada hits we might give it a go.
I was always support healer. Loved to be responsible for others and keep them alive - always good fun
I find. When an there is a 'new' dawn...people are at their hungriest.
So you try harder. You see it in the early games industry. There are no rules. You're making the rules. The same in music. Bands are at their most desperate when they are broke and trying to make it to the top. When they get rich, what can they sing about? 'I'm so...depressed....with my millions...and my yacht...and my harem...and my pile of sherbert...and my iMansion...and my 100 hundred cars...' etc.
So I 100% take on board your comments about games from the 90s. When you have less resources? You become resourceful. I'm somewhat sneering of PC gaming as it is now. I see wax work dummies with big guns and lots of jumping around. I actually prefer the Apple Arcade approach with its retrovolution of ideas, narrative and styles. That's not 'serious' (games that are serious, eh?) gaming but Doom Eternal Triple AAA is? Or Call of Duty or the monocular Counterstrike king of the hill with kid friendly graphics is? But Epic games are rinsing customers on upgrades. As are Activation with version .x of Call of Whatever.
I'm ok with games look 'wow' (pun intended...) but I like to see variety. And in the 8 bit era. We sure had that. Genres. The system pushed to its limits...beyond what the designers intended. Even with the PS3, to be fair, the Batman games had sound combat and the Last of US is a capable 3d 'adventure' (But I do get bored of that after an hour...) There are still lots of 'good' games out there. But a lot of laziness too of the 'me too!' variety. And the myopic monocular vision that PC gaming 'is it.' The latter of which couldn't be further from the truth. Each platform has plenty of sound games. Whether Nintendo, iOS, PS3 or Mac/PC. There is some good stuff out there. It does start and end with counter strike and doom or call of duty. Some of the recent additions to Apple Arcade look pretty cool. My internet provider has offered me an Apple TV for an extra £3 a month. A10 cpu in it. I may take them up on it. Maybe try Apple Arcade...
See the return of Steve Jobs and Apple before it became its very own 'Empire' shadowed in complacency. *POINTS at Mac desktop.* And the latest iLazy iCooling on the iMac 2020.
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2 Trillion is merely a reflector of their iHealth.
And they have their 250 billion or so of cash because, chiefly, Steve Job's initial battalion of iDeas which have allowed current iCurator and iBean Counter, Tim Apple to iRinse the heck out of the iterated iPhone and charging iWince money for old iRope from the Mac Division.
iScrooge. Thank you for that one. I'll remember it.
Apple doesn't do iEverything. But they're doing iMore than they ever had...from Maps, watches, game subs, TV+ plus ATV...into Cars...etc. We're far away from Jobs' iGrid. They've largely rinsed the core products and are now branching out into Subs and Bank cards (always a good way to earn some money...press a button...print money out of fresh air...lend it at substantial interest (see pay day loans...) and hope the public don't catch on...)
King of the World?
It'd settle for some iCooling in the latest iMac. *Scoffs.*
As for AS. Rumours of 50-100% performance upgrades (depending on task?) suggest AS Macs will run Intel faster than Intel.
That may not hurt Intel much in the short term.
But if Apple can extropolate the iPad experience in terms of smooth butter operation, harmoningae of cpu and gpu power tuned to the 'house always wins' OS it's going to make one helluva Mac.
Run cooler. Perform better. Have actual decent gpu performance. Something the mini, iMac 21, MB Air and MB13 could all do with.
The current Intel Macs are mediocre in value and performance. And they run hot. And they're iStale. And they're iBoring.
Without Intel to blame...we'll see what Apple come up with, eh?
Azrael.
Well, you say that. And I was wondering about putting an air con room unit behind it...
It gets hot up here in the iAttic.
Azrael.
Well, you have to wonder about Catalina.
Clearly they had a team on Big Sur (and the rumours say...a version of 'Full Fat' MacOS than can run on iPhone and iPad...hush, hush...you know...*taps nose.*)
...clearly the sleep design team at Mac Div' have been working on something else.
AS Macs perhaps. Maybe a Surface Studio style product...actual 'Touch' Macs...to go with the finger spaceing in Big Sur..., 'We came up with a great idea...with the greater finger spacing on Big Sur...we thought...wouldn't it be great to have Macs you could actually touch?'
Just like when Jobs said Apple wasn't working on a phone. But then an iJesus happened.
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Should work, yeah. I don't know about the cooling backs though, to cold to close might cause some condensation and i don't know if we want that.
What’s your date @Azrael9Yuri's delivery date for the ten core and 5700XT is a day later than mine.
Guess he's in America. Think we got in 'abit' earlier here in the UK and this side of the sun.
Azrael.
10 core 5700xt standard glass. I find it hard to believe it could get here by Monday, it just left China, but the ups says Monday. We’ll see, either way it’s coming sooner than I expected.
I did get a grip - thank you very much! What I meant by "done" was that Intel will start losing market share and eventually will be out of the business as the top leader. Their time is gone and I don't see them doing anything to get back on the horse. Once do they, it will be too little too late.
AMD is pushing really hard whilst Intel can't solve 2 problems. Heat, and nm race. - both important for innovation.
So, AMD took advantage and now Apple will benefit from all these years of optimising their own silicon.
If you believe, that Intel will have anything faster consumer/professional product than Apple then I think you were not paying attention for the past few years.
Eventually, it will be like this: You go to a store and get something that is 2-3x faster (Apple) or you can get Intel pc.
Who is going for Intel then?
And if AMD is smart (or actually the whole industry) then we will all switch to ARM as that seems to be the future.
And if you still don't understand how big this thing is (you remind me those that defended PPC when Apple was going Intel) then maybe you should sit this one out and come back in 2-3 years to reevaluate.
Intel is done. Just look at the shares also.
AS will lead the way and smart will follow.
Have you not seen the demo from 2018 iPad chip? Do you not see how big this thing is?
AMD is pushing really hard whilst Intel can't solve 2 problems. Heat, and nm race. - both important for innovation.
So, AMD took advantage and now Apple will benefit from all these years of optimising their own silicon.
If you believe, that Intel will have anything faster consumer/professional product than Apple then I think you were not paying attention for the past few years.
Eventually, it will be like this: You go to a store and get something that is 2-3x faster (Apple) or you can get Intel pc.
Who is going for Intel then?
And if AMD is smart (or actually the whole industry) then we will all switch to ARM as that seems to be the future.
And if you still don't understand how big this thing is (you remind me those that defended PPC when Apple was going Intel) then maybe you should sit this one out and come back in 2-3 years to reevaluate.
Intel is done. Just look at the shares also.
AS will lead the way and smart will follow.
Have you not seen the demo from 2018 iPad chip? Do you not see how big this thing is?
I see it as being practical.
This is the last Intel-powered 27" iMac. Why would they spend any money on it that they didn't have to? If they went with the iMac Pro cooling system and case they would have passed that cost on and then this forum would be full of people howling at the hundreds of dollars extra they are paying. Then add on the loss of user-upgradeable RAM from such a move to the iMac Pro's case and cooling and the wailing and gnashing of teeth would have been Biblical!
By doing effectively nothing to the case, Apple kept the 2020 prices the same as 2019 while offering more value - better CPUs, better GPUs and SSD storage instead of Fusion.
Mr. Cook, is that you?
Jokes aside, an inherent quality of computing since the 60s was the advancement of technology. CPUs and GPUs have improved constantly and we, as consumers, have benefited from these improvements while generally not paying more money for a similar product. I take this as a sine qua non condition for any newer computer.
All I see here is a multi billion company, with more money than most countries' GDP, that's gotten so lazy and complacent that are taking the easiest possible route in any decision they are making. There are companies out there with less capital than an Apple regional office who are iterating and innovating more.
Regarding the iMac Pro case, I have a hard time believing it would have costed them "hundreds of dollars extra". It's the exact same piece of metal. It just has an extra hole in the back and 2 fans instead of one. They could have probably swapped it almost for free.
A good, responsible, non consumer-hostile business doesn't release a product with a serious design flaw that makes it operate to a lot less than its potential.
Look at muscle car manufacturers in the US – it's not a bad analogy to tech on the power user end of the scale. Imagine if Dodge released a Hellcat with less horsepower so that they could save themselves money
Literally no-one would buy it. It would be a scandal.
The same principle is obviated here because the fix is not exactly complicated, and the cost of the iMac Pro enclosure and cooling would very likely come down given the sizeable increase in the volume of orders for iMacs being brought to market.
I don't buy your argument at all.
Seriously, Apple...
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18th-20th, Whiteman007.
I wouldn't say 'no' to it being moved up either...
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The Nvidia imperial cruisers are moving into position... (rumours of RDNA2 not appearing until November?!)
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20/24(?!) gig of Vram?
Just when I was getting that 'superior' feeling about having 16...VRAM. (I remember the iMac days when Apple skimped on GPU Vram...)
Well. There's always a bigger iBanana...
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I do buy your argument though.
You've made the case (pun intended...) very well.
Scale of economics to bring the iMac Pro's cooling mainstream. For Fusion Sake...it's only another vent tunnel and an extra fan, Apple...geeze. Whutsupwitcha? *Here's teh Sound of iScrooge throwing another iHostile penny onto the iBillions...*
We didn't even get the Space Grey. Even the bleeping Mac Mini 'Pro' edition got that...
Azrael.
Mr. Cook, is that you?
Jokes aside, an inherent quality of computing since the 60s was the advancement of technology. CPUs and GPUs have improved constantly and we, as consumers, have benefited from these improvements while generally not paying more money for a similar product. I take this as a sine qua non condition for any newer computer.
All I see here is a multi billion company, with more money than most countries' GDP, that's gotten so lazy and complacent that are taking the easiest possible route in any decision they are making. There are companies out there with less capital than an Apple regional office who are iterating and innovating more.
Regarding the iMac Pro case, I have a hard time believing it would have costed them "hundreds of dollars extra". It's the exact same piece of metal. It just has an extra hole in the back and 2 fans instead of one. They could have probably swapped it almost for free.
He floats like a butterfly...and stings like a swarm of bees...!
Amen.
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The money they saved by using the bin parts and last year's gpu...they could have put towards the iMac's cooling.
Hell, the Executives could have had a whip round...or even raided Cupertino's tea and coffee tin.
It's not like the cooling on the iMac Pro is new. It's iOld. iThree years old. R&D paid for.
An extra vent and fan? Hardly breaking the iBank. (Mind you, given the pausity of innovation from the sleepy Mac Division...maybe it might use up the Mac R&D budget for this year...it's not like they having saved loads of money by keeping the design the same for 8-12 years...)
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And I remember how fans of Nvidia and part-time AMD haters shouted that 16 GB for Radeon VII is too much and is not needed at all, lolNVIDIA might also launch GeForce RTX Ampere graphics card with 20GB of memory - VideoCardz.com
NVIDIA is allegedly planning to introduce at least three memory variants of the PG132 board. NVIDIA PG132: 24GB, 20GB and 10GB It is rumored that NVIDIA might launch three variants based on the PG132 reference board. This board is rumored to be using NVIDIA GA102 GPU, the flagship gaming...
20/24(?!) gig of Vram?
Just when I was getting that 'superior' feeling about having 16...VRAM. (I remember the iMac days when Apple skimped on GPU Vram...)
Well. There's always a bigger iBanana...
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