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When do you expect an iMac redesign?

  • 4rd quarter 2019

    Votes: 34 4.1%
  • 1st quarter 2020

    Votes: 23 2.8%
  • 2nd quarter 2020

    Votes: 119 14.5%
  • 3rd quarter 2020

    Votes: 131 15.9%
  • 4rd quarter 2020

    Votes: 172 20.9%
  • 2021 or later

    Votes: 343 41.7%

  • Total voters
    822
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getrealbro

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I did mention "lots of photoshop" and I mentioned that I use Handbrake. ...
Just how much HandBrake do you do while sitting at the iMac in any given day?

For me the key 2020 iMac CPU / Fan question is just how well does the i7 or i9 handle transcoding 40 GB of RTSP video from .ts to .mp4 with HandBrake? And how loud is the fan while doing it?

Here’s what HandBrake at full tilt boogie looks like on a 2018 Mini 3.2MHz 6 core i7 w/32GB RAM...


GetRealBro
 

pldelisle

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Guys, I went to the local Apple store here and finally managed to see the XDR in person along with the Mac Pro and the new iMacs. Unfortunately, none of them were with the nano coating which I really don't understand.

The iMac seemed fairly quiet when I ran benchmarks in the store repeatedly but the store was quite noisy so who knows how loud it would be in my home office.
As for XDR, it really is impressive but it felt a bit small. Maybe it was because I was standing and not sitting in front of it but I expected it a bit bigger.
The screen itself is beautiful but I feel its not worth the price tag for prosumers at all.

Its a shame because I loved it but I didn't love it that much to spend almost $10k CAD for it (crazy)

So, next week in Vancouver so hopefully I will see the nano coating there. Also hope they will have higher models of the iMac on display to test.

Those who have 5700XT and 8/10c. How loud and hot is it, please?
You’ve been able to go inside Saint-Catherines store ???!!!

You are damn lucky!!!
 

Azrael9

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This thread is a monster. I leave it for a few days to come back to over ten new pages! I want to keep up in order to help make the proper decision with regard to my build but I just can't find the time...

So if someone would indulge me with some advice, it would be hugely appreciated! First context: my 2011 27" iMac died a couple months ago. Whatever I get will be a dramatic improvement, so I can't really go wrong. I'd like to wait for Apple Silicon, but it's not going to happen. I need a machine now. I'm a data hoarder and I realize that I can go external (as I have been, by necessity), but I can't shake the desire to have it all on tap from a lickety-split SSD. I'm going 4TB, and I am allowing this irrationality this time around. I'm going 8 gigs of ram with the intention of upgrading it myself via Crucial to 40 gigs. That leaves me to two decisions-- the CPU and GPU.

As for the CPU... I typically go all out to stave off obsolescence, but in this case I'm thinking that the i7 would suffice. Everyone seems to be freaking out about the thermals on this machine. Is the i7 that much cooler than the i9 or do they both sound like hair dryers under load? Either one would be amazing compared to the 3.4 Sandy Bridge processor that I'm coming from, so going i9 would probably be a matter of vanity (more irrationality). The most intensive tasks I'd be throwing at my machine would be work with HandBrake. After that-- Photoshop and lots of it. Given what I've shared here, can anyone offer a compelling reason to go i9?

For GPU... I'm torn between the Radeon Pro 5500 XT and the Radeon Pro 5700. I don't know what the additional $300 buys me. I'm not a gamer, so it seems as though I can make do with less. The truth is, I don't know much about GPUs at all.

I figure I'll keep this machine for at least 5 years, and probably longer. I don't get the sense that the AS iMacs designed to perform at the level of today's higher end Intel iMacs will hit for three years-- but who knows? That's just my sense.

Thoughts?

Hello Jashue,

If you're a data hoarder then you've answered the 1st question. A large SSD. (I went for the upgrade to the 1TB SSD but I couldn't stomach Apple's pricing up to the 2TB SSD.) But for you, you've made your mind up for the 4 TB SSD. You know your data use better than anyone. And as you say, you can always add external SSDs. They're coming down in price all the time.

Handbrake and Photoshop. The 8 core is more than good enough. Plenty. More than plenty. It's standard on the top tier now and it outperforms the previous 8 core. Even the 6 core is close to last gen 8 core. If you were doing 3d rendering 8 core would still be good. But in that instance I'd push for the 10 core. And I have.

GPU. I can't see what you're doing that required more than an 5500XT. It's less than a Vega 48 (but it's not that far behind it and this was previously a £450 option give or take...) but the 5500XT has VCN.1 AMD encoders. Showing 1-3x improvements over previous gpu. (See Max Tech' videos.) So if you take up any video work in Final Cut to augment your Photoshop workflow you'll be well catered to here.

If it was me? I'd future proof this with a 5700 8 gig. If you're going to pay the extra on a 4TB SSD. I don't see the point on future proofing your data but not your gpu. (But I have a thing about gpus. I'm just thinking about system balance. 4TBSSD. 8 core. 40 gigs of Ram. Go for the better gpu. Helps with system smoothness as apps become more dependent on gpus going forwards.)

If you're coming from a 2011? This is going to seem like a speed demon. :O

4TBSSD.
8 core.
5500XT (should be quite a step up from what you currently have...however, I'd go for the 5700xt 8 gig.)
8 gig of Ram. (Buy your own 2x16 gig sticks. 32 gigs. Add to the 8. Gives you 40 gig for PShop usage.)


I think that would be the machine you'd be needing. Your call on the gpu. But better to add it now. As the eGPU option will be very pricey later. The 5700XT is a real sweet spot for performance. Who knows what you'd need the gpu power for later. It's lower clocked so may well perform well within capability when running the odd game or application that you run into re: the future. And by what you save not opting for a 10 core you can opt for the 5700XT 8 gigger. This is the 1st iMac which some may pass the fit and proper gamer's test. So treat yourself with a game of your choice to take a break from all that Photoshoping.

My favourite tipple back in the day was Marathon Infinity by Bungie. When Photoshop 4 was my Love Goddess of choice...and my High Priest mistress was a Power Mac Tower.

Azrael.
 
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Azrael9

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I did mention "lots of photoshop" and I mentioned that I use Handbrake. Those are the most intensive tasks. Everything else could be handled by Apple's entry level offerings. The reason I've always gone high-end is because I like to hold on to my machines for a long time. And frankly, it's fun to have the latest-and-greatest machine. I'll never be able to afford a Ferrari, but I can have the Ferrari of iMacs if I please. Kinda dumb, I know. Most people here are enthusiasts though, and can probably relate to that sentiment. The coming Apple Silicon of course puts a bit of a damper on that element making us all try to be more realistic about our needs though, doesn't it? That's the reason for my inquiry.

Good reality check, DrRadon.

I get where you're coming from. No Ferrari but you treat yourself to the Ferarri of Macs.

ie. The high end, loaded machine.

Apple Silicon is a long ways off yet. Even if the 24 inch lands before December. The 27+ won't land until much later.

Here is now.

Lots of Photoshop. 4 TBSSD. 8 core. 5700XT 8 gig card (makes sense if you hold onto your machine for a long time...) Add 32 gigs to your stock 8 gigs and 40 gigs of Ram should be enough for the Ram hungry PS.

Azrael.
 

Azrael9

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Guys, I went to the local Apple store here and finally managed to see the XDR in person along with the Mac Pro and the new iMacs. Unfortunately, none of them were with the nano coating which I really don't understand.

The iMac seemed fairly quiet when I ran benchmarks in the store repeatedly but the store was quite noisy so who knows how loud it would be in my home office.
As for XDR, it really is impressive but it felt a bit small. Maybe it was because I was standing and not sitting in front of it but I expected it a bit bigger.
The screen itself is beautiful but I feel its not worth the price tag for prosumers at all.

Its a shame because I loved it but I didn't love it that much to spend almost $10k CAD for it (crazy)

So, next week in Vancouver so hopefully I will see the nano coating there. Also hope they will have higher models of the iMac on display to test.

Those who have 5700XT and 8/10c. How loud and hot is it, please?

If you're coming from a Macbook Pro? 'Not as loud.' All machines fans pick up at some point due to heat of room/weather/task at hand...how long it has been running and whether we run renders 24 hrs long.

You saw the XDR in person. You expected it to bigger? Lol. It felt small?!?!? 32 inches Freida!!! And you can rotate to vertical to make it seem even longer!!!!! :D (If the tower and display were rationally priced...I'd buy...they are gorgeous. But not £12k worth of gorgeous.) Maybe it was teh lack of teh chin...

As you say, Apple stores are noisy. You wouldn't notice the fans in that ambience. (I've got my ear down to iMacs in the store...and sure enough...if they're not doing anything they seem 'quiet enough...' But get one home and put it to the 3D sword...)

So you actually ran benchmarks in store. That's the spirit! Best thing to do? Feel the back of the machine. It will get warm. (I'm always feeling mine...the back of the iMac...that is. No jokes, please, folks.)

As for 5700XT and 8/10c. Many are still waiting for theirs. I am.

I'll be glad to kick the performance on mine and bench stress it. Because I'm going for the fan.

From what I've seen on line re: reviews. The fans will come on after maybe 3 runs of Cinebench but it's very moderate 'noise.' (Which some are more sensitive to than others. I'm very sensitive to high pitched noises or ambient sounds...probably why I got an imac. Got fed up of the Athlon tower's fan whining like a hair dryer.)

Azrael.
 
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Azrael9

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Guys, I went to the local Apple store here and finally managed to see the XDR in person along with the Mac Pro and the new iMacs. Unfortunately, none of them were with the nano coating which I really don't understand.

The iMac seemed fairly quiet when I ran benchmarks in the store repeatedly but the store was quite noisy so who knows how loud it would be in my home office.
As for XDR, it really is impressive but it felt a bit small. Maybe it was because I was standing and not sitting in front of it but I expected it a bit bigger.
The screen itself is beautiful but I feel its not worth the price tag for prosumers at all.

Its a shame because I loved it but I didn't love it that much to spend almost $10k CAD for it (crazy)

So, next week in Vancouver so hopefully I will see the nano coating there. Also hope they will have higher models of the iMac on display to test.

Those who have 5700XT and 8/10c. How loud and hot is it, please?

Short answer. You can judge from this video.


'Almost silent under intense gaming loads.'

'This is not a hairdryer...it's virtually silent.'

Azrael.
 

Azrael9

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Nano glass. It looks decent from the online reviews. But it's upto anyone buying the iMac if its £500 'decent.'

It certainly a 'diffuse' look.

I find it ironic they incorporate a 'pro' option like that but don't include a pro option in the cooling.

I guess they've dealt with the latter by undervolting/down clocking more powerful components. The net effect is that this is still the most powerful iMac yet.

Using that 'tiny' fan then you have to say that is some achievement.

Azrael.
 

Azrael9

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I have to give to M$. They've made a real fist of competing in the console market.

Azrael.
 

Azrael9

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iMac Pro. Gaming.

Ironic that Linus says the iMac Pro has 'insufficient' cooling.

He does talk about augmenting iMacs gpu power as more powerful gpu options come on the market.

Azrael.
 

DrRadon

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Short answer. You can judge from this video.


'Almost silent under intense gaming loads.'

'This is not a hairdryer...it's virtually silent.'

Azrael.

One could argue that most games he plays are not really system crushers. GTA 5 was a 2013 release. It better be running smooth and silent. Fortnite strives on everybody being able to play it. Gotta bring some more current games to the tests.
 

teetoo

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I suppose if thats the case for you i will have to be somewhere between 21 - 24th. (my estimate sais 17th - 24th.)

My 10c 5700xt order quietly updated to 'preparing to ship' overnight, has always been 18-20 Aug on the delivery but now getting excited that I might see it sooner :)

Edit: Just had dispatched email, Standard shipping to UK, delivers by 17/8
 
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Azrael9

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One could argue that most games he plays are not really system crushers. GTA 5 was a 2013 release. It better be running smooth and silent. Fortnite strives on everybody being able to play it. Gotta bring some more current games to the tests.

Funnily, the game that fried my 680MX was from 2004. So a 2012 iMac with a 'top ten' gpu (for that year) couldn't hack it...a game made 6 years earlier.

He's running (maybe older games) at HD at high frame rates. That's a partial victory for the iMac.

In short, it doesn't take 'that much' to crush an iMac or two upset it's graceful poise.

Pretty sure, you'll get YouTubers running more 'recent' games in due course. Still early days with people like myself still in the 'processing' category. :)

Anything 2D. Photoshop stopped being a problem years ago. Video 2d? Largely not a problem. Especially with the new VCN.1 codecs in the 'new' (NEW from last year!!!! :p ) RDNA1 series.

Running 3D of any kind has been the achilles heel of the iMac. Adding the 5k display didn't help as you then need gpu horsepower to run 3d or you have to drop to HD and 2440p. It's taken the 'final' iMac iteration to get a gpu that can really respectably run 3d games.

As I posted with the iMac Pro video. According to Linus, even the iMac Pro's cooling isn't gaming sufficient.

Azrael.
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Same but I’m 8/21. Any luck it’ll be sooner.

Hello fireguy286,

21. That's pretty decent.

Hope it gets move up and lands earlier for you. ;)

Azrael.
 

Azrael9

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My 10c 5700xt order quietly updated to 'preparing to ship' overnight, has always been 18-20 Aug on the delivery but now getting excited that I might see it sooner :)

Edit: Just had dispatched email, Standard shipping to UK, delivers by 17/8

10c 5700xt? Quietly updated to prepping to ship? Nice. I checked this morning (still '20'...or had been in the 18-20...)

Congrats on he dispatched email...delivers by 17. That's 7 days!

WoW!

That's a nice chunk of shipping time earlier.

Azrael.
 

Azrael9

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'The Last 'great' Intel iMac.'

Preview. They do have a grumble about the gpu. (ie. Not the 'latest.' But the 'latest' from AMD is not here and unlikely to be here until November. Maybe then Apple will BTO on the iMac Pro...and the rest of us iMac buyers can add RDNA2 via eGPU and still spend less than an iMac Pro.)

Azrael.
 
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Azrael9

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Can anyone benchmark Starcraft 2 with 5700XT at 5K resolution?

Is it one of their MMO style games? ie. Can you download it from their Battle account and run it in demo mode? (You can download WoW and try it in demo mode 'free' until L20 (I think...or I did...)


It takes 5k at Extreme settings to get silent to low fan noise. 25 fps.

That's the 2015 model. AMD R9 m395x. :)

Azrael.
 
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pldelisle

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iMac Pro. Gaming.

Ironic that Linus says the iMac Pro has 'insufficient' cooling.

He does talk about augmenting iMacs gpu power as more powerful gpu options come on the market.

Azrael.
Linus is good, but he doesn't have a single clue about what a Mac is. He is good with normal hardware, but he clearly doesn't care at all of Apple.
 

Moonjumper

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If you're a data hoarder then you've answered the 1st question. A large SSD. (I went for the upgrade to the 1TB SSD but I couldn't stomach Apple's pricing up to the 2TB SSD.) But for you, you've made your mind up for the 4 TB SSD. You know your data use better than anyone. And as you say, you can always add external SSDs. They're coming down in price all the time.
My data needs are starting to increase significantly. I’ll probably also go with 1TB when I upgrade, but then add something like the OWC Express 4M2. It has 4 NVMe slots attached by Thunderbolt 3. Flexible fast storage I can migrate to future new computers.

OWC Express 4M2
 
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teetoo

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10c 5700xt? Quietly updated to prepping to ship? Nice. I checked this morning (still '20'...or had been in the 18-20...)

Congrats on he dispatched email...delivers by 17. That's 7 days!

WoW!

That's a nice chunk of shipping time earlier.

Azrael.

OK, Apple are proper messing with my head now!

Just checked my order again and shipping dates now reads 12th August!!! That's in two days! WTF?

This morning it was getting ready to ship 18-20 Aug!!!

18-20 Aug > 17 Aug > 12 Aug in the just a few hours. At this rate I'll be unboxing this evening :)
 

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