If these data are confirmed in the future, then 10.4 TFLOPS by 32 cores as the top solution for the iMac 27/32" is not such a big increase compared to its predecessor.
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Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?
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Yes, but at what TDP? 128 core might operate at 160-200W. 3090 at 350W. Seems it is possible to nearly squeeze in 2X M 128 in the same tdp as one 3090. Interesting if true. Performance per watt is king and it is nice that there is some focus on that now instead of just performance. Reminds me of the car industry and fuel consumption...
Although these numbers are good I doubt Apple will give us 128GPU next year. They are quite stingy when it comes to GPU and I feel that trend will continue for a bit. I also doubt that they would give us 3090 performance so soon.
To me, I think we will be lucky to get the 32GPU at first which would be followed by 64GPU in 2022 and then 2023 we could see 128GPU. Unless they go 32GPU iMac and 64GPU Mac Pro in 2021 and 2022 would be 64GPU (M2) and 128 GPU (M2) in 2022.
Honestly though, I think they will separate it and we will get some mid range for iMac that will be again behind the market but the Mac Pro will get something crazy fast. I don't know, I'm getting lost in my thoughts
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32GPU iMac in spring would be nice, 64GPU would be a great surprise.
To me, I think we will be lucky to get the 32GPU at first which would be followed by 64GPU in 2022 and then 2023 we could see 128GPU. Unless they go 32GPU iMac and 64GPU Mac Pro in 2021 and 2022 would be 64GPU (M2) and 128 GPU (M2) in 2022.
Honestly though, I think they will separate it and we will get some mid range for iMac that will be again behind the market but the Mac Pro will get something crazy fast. I don't know, I'm getting lost in my thoughts
))))32GPU iMac in spring would be nice, 64GPU would be a great surprise.
But it may not be as important if there are accelerators handling processes normally being handled by the discrete GPU in Intel machines.
Jason Snell noted the M1 in his MacBook Air can export 4K video much faster than the Vega GPU on his iMac Pro and I expect this is because of the accelerators on the M1 that are custom-designed for that task. And John Gruber noted his M1 MacBook Air exported an 8K video so fast it only used 3% of the battery where his 16" MBP's dGPU could not do it before the battery died.
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True, I believe we need to stop using traditional metrics of the GPU with all these accelerators. The iPhone 12 workflow for taking and processing a picture used some part CPU some part GPU and some part neural engine before the photo was displayed. It makes so much sense to use specific accelerators for the most demanding and common tasks like video/photo editing. Shared RAM probably makes the usage of different accelerators extremely efficient as no data need to be copied.
In a NikkeiAsia report on Apple Supply Chain plans, they noted that Apple is planning to launch a new iMac Pro in 2021. No details, but it implies it will use Apple Silicon and not Intel.
So now I wait.
So now I wait.
I wonder if they just merge it and have 24" iMac and 27-30+- iMac Pro.
That would simplify the line and I think it would make sense. iMac Pro was with XEONs etc. so if that is no longer the case and it just gets beefed up M chip then we will just have one iMac with the big screen and it will be called Pro.
I guess WWDC might be the perfect candidate even though I would love to see it sooner.
Exciting
That would simplify the line and I think it would make sense. iMac Pro was with XEONs etc. so if that is no longer the case and it just gets beefed up M chip then we will just have one iMac with the big screen and it will be called Pro.
I guess WWDC might be the perfect candidate even though I would love to see it sooner.
Exciting
In a NikkeiAsia report on Apple Supply Chain plans, they noted that Apple is planning to launch a new iMac Pro in 2021. No details, but it implies it will use Apple Silicon and not Intel.
So now I wait.
WWDC makes the most sense to me. They are also evidently working on new high-end MacBook Pros with ASi so we could see a combined product announcement.
My guess is the iMac Pro will be 27" or larger with MiniLED and a more powerful CPU and GPU and possibly more RAM. Supposedly you can go up to 128GB on the package with current memory densities so that would match the current iMac and I believe that is enough since we known an ASi Mac Pro is coming and that can be the "big dog" with more than 128GB using off-package RAM.
My guess is the iMac Pro will be 27" or larger with MiniLED and a more powerful CPU and GPU and possibly more RAM. Supposedly you can go up to 128GB on the package with current memory densities so that would match the current iMac and I believe that is enough since we known an ASi Mac Pro is coming and that can be the "big dog" with more than 128GB using off-package RAM.
Alright, lets get the ball rolling on predictions
Are we hoping for spring event reveal or WWDC?
I guess WWDC is probably most likely as spring will be all about iPads.
M1 is out of question for the iMac and seeing that even Tesla cars will have Navi 23 in their infotainment system next month I really hope we get a computer with GPU performance we deserve.
5700 is great but its so old that it simply won't do. In fact, thats probably the bare minimum they need to match.
Give us 6800+ Apple and we will forget all those years where you neglected GPUs.
Are we hoping for spring event reveal or WWDC?
I guess WWDC is probably most likely as spring will be all about iPads.
M1 is out of question for the iMac and seeing that even Tesla cars will have Navi 23 in their infotainment system next month I really hope we get a computer with GPU performance we deserve.
5700 is great but its so old that it simply won't do. In fact, thats probably the bare minimum they need to match.
Give us 6800+ Apple and we will forget all those years where you neglected GPUs.
I think it is likely to be spring if it is just the smaller model (there have been lots of rumours about a 24" design to replace the 21", but nothing similar about a larger size), WWDC if both models.Alright, lets get the ball rolling on predictions
Are we hoping for spring event reveal or WWDC?
I guess WWDC is probably most likely as spring will be all about iPads.
M1 is out of question for the iMac and seeing that even Tesla cars will have Navi 23 in their infotainment system next month I really hope we get a computer with GPU performance we deserve.
5700 is great but its so old that it simply won't do. In fact, thats probably the bare minimum they need to match.
Give us 6800+ Apple and we will forget all those years where you neglected GPUs.
It will almost certainly be Apple Silicon. Possibly 8 performance CPU cores for the small model, 16 for the larger. There will be the Apple Lifuka GPU for the larger model, possibly for the smaller (possibly higher end small model only).
It will be interesting to see how the rumoured Lifuka GPU works. Maybe it will free up the GPU space on the main chip, allowing space for more CPU or other cores.
I would love to see 24" model redesign. Not that I would buy it (too small) but it would give us a nice idea whats coming. Ideally, I really hope that XDR display is coming to the big iMac. Not necessary the features (don't need those) but the size and some aspects of the XDR. iMac always had amazing display and its about time to get something awesome. Considering the M chips running so cool the heating issue would be massively improved so Apple has a lot of room to play with.
The discreete GPU is something I'm curious about also. With the M1 chip Apple told us how amazing it is when its all on 1 silicon so the speed and efficiency is massive but they just can't do the same with discrete so it will be interesting to see their solution. I would assume that GPU and CPU would be quite separated (maybe one on the left side and one on the right side to spread the heat?) Or they would all stay in the middle and there would be one main fan to take care of them both. They also have a chance to really give us some unique cooling system as they would be doing a big redesign. I hope they will excite us with something really cool
Regardless, Lifuka is where to money is. We need really good GPU performance so that will be the deciding factor.
The discreete GPU is something I'm curious about also. With the M1 chip Apple told us how amazing it is when its all on 1 silicon so the speed and efficiency is massive but they just can't do the same with discrete so it will be interesting to see their solution. I would assume that GPU and CPU would be quite separated (maybe one on the left side and one on the right side to spread the heat?) Or they would all stay in the middle and there would be one main fan to take care of them both. They also have a chance to really give us some unique cooling system as they would be doing a big redesign. I hope they will excite us with something really cool
Regardless, Lifuka is where to money is. We need really good GPU performance so that will be the deciding factor.
Yes, the XDR display without the expensive backlighting would be great, although I would prefer adding vertical space rather than horizontal.I would love to see 24" model redesign. Not that I would buy it (too small) but it would give us a nice idea whats coming. Ideally, I really hope that XDR display is coming to the big iMac. Not necessary the features (don't need those) but the size and some aspects of the XDR. iMac always had amazing display and its about time to get something awesome. Considering the M chips running so cool the heating issue would be massively improved so Apple has a lot of room to play with.
The discreete GPU is something I'm curious about also. With the M1 chip Apple told us how amazing it is when its all on 1 silicon so the speed and efficiency is massive but they just can't do the same with discrete so it will be interesting to see their solution. I would assume that GPU and CPU would be quite separated (maybe one on the left side and one on the right side to spread the heat?) Or they would all stay in the middle and there would be one main fan to take care of them both. They also have a chance to really give us some unique cooling system as they would be doing a big redesign. I hope they will excite us with something really cool
Regardless, Lifuka is where to money is. We need really good GPU performance so that will be the deciding factor.
I quite like this iMac concept by Philip Goolkasian that seems to have got rid of the chin by extending the screen down over that area. I love that, but it also has some other good ideas.
I can see a new iMac having some wireless charging capability, and this one allows the trackpad and keyboard to do so from the sides of the base, plus other objects such as AirPods on top. Something simpler such as just placing the keyboard or trackpad on top like everything else would be fine.
If keeping largely to the current format, I like the idea of the connectors being near bottom of the base, although that would create problems with having an iMac towards the rear of a desk, or near a wall. This would work better with a vertical leg such as available for the XDR monitor, so that the ports are further forward. Although either way would be a problem for those who wish to wall mount (do many do that?).
That is indeed a very nice concept. Few things that wouldn't work though.
If we get 31.5" then we need a better stand that will be more ergonomic.
And the other thing is that those ports (although looking very nice) won't work as I can't see an easy way for Apple to install them in the base. It would be a technical and engineering nightmare and it could also be a point of failure. I really don't see that working - would they have 2 pieces of aluminium with a gap that would lead the wire or something else? Manufacturing etc.? All impractical so I'm voting this one out. They could however do an XDR like stand with a little thicker base and maybe do it there? Either way, this is just a nice exercise but those ports are a miss.
Great concept otherwise though, a simple iPad on a stand. Looks elegant
If we get 31.5" then we need a better stand that will be more ergonomic.
And the other thing is that those ports (although looking very nice) won't work as I can't see an easy way for Apple to install them in the base. It would be a technical and engineering nightmare and it could also be a point of failure. I really don't see that working - would they have 2 pieces of aluminium with a gap that would lead the wire or something else? Manufacturing etc.? All impractical so I'm voting this one out. They could however do an XDR like stand with a little thicker base and maybe do it there? Either way, this is just a nice exercise but those ports are a miss.
Great concept otherwise though, a simple iPad on a stand. Looks elegant
Yes, the XDR display without the expensive backlighting would be great, although I would prefer adding vertical space rather than horizontal.
I quite like this iMac concept by Philip Goolkasian that seems to have got rid of the chin by extending the screen down over that area. I love that, but it also has some other good ideas.
I can see a new iMac having some wireless charging capability, and this one allows the trackpad and keyboard to do so from the sides of the base, plus other objects such as AirPods on top. Something simpler such as just placing the keyboard or trackpad on top like everything else would be fine.
If keeping largely to the current format, I like the idea of the connectors being near bottom of the base, although that would create problems with having an iMac towards the rear of a desk, or near a wall. This would work better with a vertical leg such as available for the XDR monitor, so that the ports are further forward. Although either way would be a problem for those who wish to wall mount (do many do that?).
Well we'll need some bezels for when it adds FaceID in Gen2. Still, looking at the iPad Pro, you don't need much for that so...
Exactly. The concept you've posted is more than plenty for FaceID. I doubt we will need more space.
All TVs and modern Screens have minimal bezels so there really is no need for something big anymore. So yeah, I'm with you on this one
All TVs and modern Screens have minimal bezels so there really is no need for something big anymore. So yeah, I'm with you on this one
Well, the reasoning would be that they will be giving us Lifuka (discreet GPU) and proper AS chip (not the mobile light stuff that M1 is) and for that they might want to have it for WWDC.
On the other hand, seeing that WWDC will be digital most likely then there really isn't much difference so maybe spring is an option also. Timing wise though I think WWDC makes more sense although I literally can't wait for new "27" iMac so sooner the better
On the other hand, seeing that WWDC will be digital most likely then there really isn't much difference so maybe spring is an option also. Timing wise though I think WWDC makes more sense although I literally can't wait for new "27" iMac so sooner the better
WWDC 2020: Apple Silicon, it is going to be amazing.
WWDC 2021: Apple Silicon, see how amazing it is.
That does not have to happen at WWDC, but as it is a developer event, it is the ideal time to create a buzz showing machines that have the power developers need.
Well, the reasoning would be that they will be giving us Lifuka (discreet GPU) and proper AS chip (not the mobile light stuff that M1 is) and for that they might want to have it for WWDC.
On the other hand, seeing that WWDC will be digital most likely then there really isn't much difference so maybe spring is an option also. Timing wise though I think WWDC makes more sense although I literally can't wait for new "27" iMac so sooner the better
Hoping for that I went with a base model M1 Mac Mini and now waiting for next gen AS iMacs. However, I immediately missed the iMac's 5K screen. Nearly no monitor on the industry uses glossy panels and that sucks.
Oh btw, I hope they go back to removable stand so I can use a vesa monitor arm.
I just hope they bring the two models out at the same time.
I want the larger but I don't want to be tempted by the smaller.
I want the larger but I don't want to be tempted by the smaller.
I would get the mini too if there was an Apple display to go with it. For the waiting period it would be perfect and in 2 years or so when M2 (or M3) variants are out I would be looking around for an iMac or any update that would truly fit my needs