There is still going to be a keynote, just a virtual one. My guess is it could happen then, also Prosser did leak the new Apple TV over on his Twitter, 4K with A12X.
I’m personally hoping for a redesign like a lot of people are.
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There is still going to be a keynote, just a virtual one. My guess is it could happen then, also Prosser did leak the new Apple TV over on his Twitter, 4K with A12X.
I’m personally hoping for a redesign like a lot of people are.
It was a surprise the 16" MBP didn't get a keynote, so now I wouldn't be surprised if a redesigned iMac didn't.
I think there is a good chance Arm for Mac will get announced. Even though the release would be much later, I don't believe Apple would want to show new products with Intel inside at the same event.
I think there is a good chance Arm for Mac will get announced. Even though the release would be much later, I don't believe Apple would want to show new products with Intel inside at the same event.
Given that two streaming services have come to the ATV then a 'next gen' ATV with 12X with redesign would be the way to push further momentum behind this trinity of ATV hardware, Apple Arcade and ATV 'tv' streaming.
I was pretty astonished when the Arcade launched... ('Whhhhattttttt? Apple? 'Serious' about gaming?') so it could do with a bit of hardware specific to pushing it in the living room. The ATV with 12X adds weight to a 'mainstream'/casual gaming console for little coin compared to the PS5/XBoxes...for a 1/3rd of the price. Or half the price by the time you add the 'Steel' controller and years sub to Arcade.
So, I'd like to see gaming demos at WWDC. I do. I remember the Halo games demo by Bungie fondly with Jobs standing on the stage.
Think we're pretty much at the stage where ATV is no longer 'Hobby.' New design incoming?
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That's a good point. , Satchmo. (The same Satchmo that used to hang around on the Appleinsider boards?)
It's iconic. So if it's a redesign of substance...they may want it as one of the stars of this new 'online' only format.
Same with any ATV redesign..?
We could expect both to have some time in the sun.
Azrael.
Prosser was on a recent podcast in which he said a new Apple TV with an A12X already exists and is ready, but they haven't released it. It is nice to see Apple serious, or at least putting some effort into gaming. I guess the regular HD model with the A8 would either be cut or updated (A10?)
Same here. Hoping for, basically, the iMac Pro to get an effective 'concept' price drop. That would add far more value to the iMac in the £2k to £3k price range. But with the more modern components.
And yes. Cooling and Space grey democratised to the iMac. In fact, it may be called the 'iMac Pro.'
With the '23/4' incher being the 'standard' iMac.
Musingly.
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Apple can be a curious company at times. To have the ATV 'next gen' ready for a whole year and sat 'on the sofa' gathering dust...
Allegedly....
And yes. I'll 2nd your thought on Apple getting serious about gaming. With any move to Mac ARM, the Mac platform for gaming will open the flood gates to 'the Mac.' (Next year?)
They could offer the last gen at a much cheaper price eg. the A10X.
I'd expect the A12x at the current price.
Sounds like the iMac and ATV could be getting the redesigns?
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If the iMacs are truly ready then it is imminent. Seeing how Apple releases stuff these days without much fanfare then we may or may not get something every week and WWDC will be fully focused on software.
The wait is killing me
'Ready' seems to indicate imminent. Yes. (Apple are such a tease...)
If it's a press release it could just be a decent specs boost.
But if it's 'substantial' release as rumoured...then that is surely an indication of a spec and redesign worthy of the WWDC itself.
With shipping in late June/early July? Which...seems to lead into the 23 incher iMac time frame indicated as rumour.
Either way...
The wait is killing me too, Freida.
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I wasn't at all surprised by the 16" MacBook Pro not getting the full Phil Schiller treatment. By steadily replacing the dreaded Butterfly keyboard with the 'Magic Keyboard' (essentially an improved scissor keyboard) they quietly got rid of that keyboard with a minimum of fanfare. No need to explain on stage why they went back to the an 'older' design even though it's 'improved' - remember that the parody clips of Schiller saying "courage" keep getting attached to various Apple decisions. I imagine they don't want to be seen to be making a U-turn of any kind on stage.
An iMac redesign doesn't seem like the sort of thing that's going to attract any press attention unless something like the removal of all non retina screens from the Mac range is a headline feature. Even then they might not if the rumoured 23" panel coming soon isn't going to be a retina panel by definition. A whole new form factor obviously is worth an event, where you'd expect that all-SSD would be mentioned but it will be dfficult to explain on stage why a 23" 4k panel which isn't 'Retina' by definition is a good spec choice.
An architecture change such as an ARM Macbook does sound like the kind of thing they might announce in a WWDC keynote setting. If an ARM Mac is getting launched it's coming out that week (not delayed for months while it could threaten sales of the Macbook Air). This gets developers thinking about how to recompile their apps for ARM without Apple having to reveal a full road map.
It's the same deal with a new AppleTV. If the A12X CPU is going to do duty as a games machine and take advantage of Apple Arcade then it's worth mentioning in the keynote and get developers thinking about porting iOS games to it with an eye to using Xbox and Playstation controllers for example.
Perhaps this is the reason for the relatively late WWDC - to give more time to get manufacturing back up to speed.
Do we have any rumours now from supply chains/ordered hardware ? Like do we know if Apple ordered panels or things like that ?
Although I agree with the reasoning etc. about WWDC unveil I feel that its "old" thinking and I feel that Apple might want to move to this new "all digital" thing. If there was a WWDC unveil of iMac then why 27" iMac slipped to 3-4 weeks which lead to beginning of june and not longer? I think this is a good indicator that the unveil will happen earlier and will be unveiled in the new form. We don't know how long this situation will last and Apple's thinking here could be little bit more progressive as they might actually "set the trend" and do these events digitally from now on
What do you guys think?
What do you guys think?
Mac supply chain has fewer leaks than the iOS supply chains so it's perfectly feasible for stuff to stay utterly secret until launch. The MacBook Pro 16" was a surprise - I merely predicted that Apple would have to increase the size of the enclosure to accommodate the 'Magic' Keyboard a year or two ago.
Even though the 13" MacBook Pro hasn't gone up in screen size it does appear to have become slightly thicker and heavier than last year's mode. They may have decided that bigger screen size would mean bigger battery required to power the display and didn't want to do that without accommodating the expected mini LED backlight too.
I'm sure many people will therefore be expecting the 14" MacBook Pro to make an appearance next year with miniLED lighting, bigger battery, and maybe a more energy efficient Intel CPU.
As you mention, monitor panels are probably the most obvious place in the Mac supply chain for leaks. A different size screen kind of sticks out a bit which is why the 23" screen has been focused on. Nobody's going to dare directly leak the fact that Apple have placed orders though - it's the kind of thing where Apple can just pull their business away and nix a product if someone leaked that.
Unlike the iPhone (where case manufacturers pay well for leaks), the iMac may not be worth losing a contract for.
...but wouldn't it be ironic if Apple was running down iMac parts and then did a Comet Lake upgrade to the iMac but subsequently used the iMac Pro case with 4 Thunderbolt ports, the 1080p FaceTime camera, all SSD with T2, and locked in RAM?
I'd be fine with that. I don't mind paying Apple's RAM prices since it is amortized over so many years of usable life.
When I bought my 2017 iMac 5K, I paid the $200 to go from 8GB to 16GB because RAM was really constrained so most quality third-party options had raised their prices to around $175 and you had to wait weeks to get it whereas Apple could drop it in right away. (I subsequently upgraded third-party once things returned to normal to add another 16GB at about $125).
A redesign would be nice, but if they just drop a new 21.5 with the new video cards, T2 chip, and hyper threading enabled on the CPUs I'll be happy and may consider a purchase...also if there's a space grey model
Which basically means that his comment : "ive seen stuff" is really not related to iMac and therefore he has no clue about the iMac at all. He only knows its ready and thats it. That itself proves that he really has no idea what Apple is doing and that he just gets vague (correct) leaks few days/weeks before. So yeah, he told us iMacs are ready to ship but beyond that he has no clue about anything else.
So there, back to square one
So for now, Mark is probably our best hope
So there, back to square one
So for now, Mark is probably our best hope
It's a 3.5", even hotter and bulkier.
Bloody slow 5400rpm like a 2.5", but a 3.5".
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The mac line would make more sense with 3 notebooks and 3 desktops. If they sell more notebooks than desktop, why would they have a wider gamma in the opposite category? There is even still space for a Macboook ARM
On the Desktop side, it should be mini -> iMac -> Mac Pro.
I will be very likely wrong if the rumours of a new iMP are true.
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Offer us a wider choice of GPUs and there will be very few missing the iMP. We all miss the cheesegrater, not the IMP!
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I am a bit surprised we have not seen any leaks from the supply chain for a ~24" iMac case, especially if it has smaller bezels and/or a chin then the current 21.5" and 27".
Yes, I know Macs are not sexy and the last real "case leak" we had was back in 2016 when the MacBook Pro added the TouchBar. But I wonder if that is due to the follow-on models (even the 16" MBP) looking so much like the existing ones that nobody in the supply chain really made the connection that they were seeing something new - even the 2018 MacBook Air could have easily been confused by the supply chain as just a mild refresh of the 13" MBP w/o Touch Bar.
I admit no leaks likely means nothing about if it exists or what it looks like, but it does make me wonder that if there is a ~24" model, does it look exactly like the existing 21.5"/27", just in a different size?
Yes, I know Macs are not sexy and the last real "case leak" we had was back in 2016 when the MacBook Pro added the TouchBar. But I wonder if that is due to the follow-on models (even the 16" MBP) looking so much like the existing ones that nobody in the supply chain really made the connection that they were seeing something new - even the 2018 MacBook Air could have easily been confused by the supply chain as just a mild refresh of the 13" MBP w/o Touch Bar.
I admit no leaks likely means nothing about if it exists or what it looks like, but it does make me wonder that if there is a ~24" model, does it look exactly like the existing 21.5"/27", just in a different size?
I think there’s been no leaks because not that many people are interested compared to details of the latest iPhone, AirPods, the next google phone or whatever Microsoft and Sony are planning for their new consoles. Apart from a couple of sources, most leaks are chasing revenue either through advertising/clicks, followers (which in turn drives revenue) or for investment opportunities. Ultimately desktop macs just aren’t that important anymore.
I've watched the show. He's deferring to Mark Gurman for the iMac specifics I think (something about identifying 'codenames' rather than specs). The most interesting bit about it was the news that it's been ready to go for an unspecified amount of time - as per the CoinX leak in March this iMac.
These two bits of news suggest that Apple is waiting for some reason for the best time to drop the already finalised iMac; the Mini was refreshed over 6 weeks ago now with just a storage bump.
The mac line would make more sense with 3 notebooks and 3 desktops. If they sell more notebooks than desktop, why would they have a wider gamma in the opposite category? There is even still space for a Macboook ARM
On the Desktop side, it should be mini -> iMac -> Mac Pro.
I will be very likely wrong if the rumours of a new iMP are true.
If the sales split is 80/20 in favour of laptops, we can compare SKUs for MBA, MBP 13" 15w, MBP 13" 28w, MBP 16" against Mac mini, iMac 21.5", iMac 27", iMac Pro, and Mac Pro.
Clearly Apple probably sell fewer units of the desktops and if there's consolidation to be had the 27" range is a clear target but the Mac Pro and iMac Pro justify their existence by being halo products. Not something they seriously expect the average prosumer to be affording but they serve a different purpose.
It's easy to conceal a storage or ram bump inside existing 21.5" and 27" models and I think it's harder to leak Mac stuff as the potential loss would be greater - there's no case manufacturers out there paying a lot of money to get advance size specs for a 23" iMac so they can be quick to market.
And LG aren't going to leak the specs of an IPS panel they are going to hopefully sell to Apple - that's a recipe for disaster as Apple could bury it and take other business away to boot.
Even though I had speculated that Apple had to go to (thicker) 14" and 16" models to conceal the real reason for the upgrade - the magic keyboard - I was moderately surprised that nobody leaked the 16" prior to reveal. No surprises about lack of on stage presentations though - nobody needs to be confessing why the Mac had to go bigger and heavier rather than lighter and thinner.
If they release the 23" as an iMac Air they can give it a functionally new design, go SSD only, choose different CPUs (eg Comet Lake H, or Comet Lake S), lock in the RAM, whatever they like. They could even call it iMac Pro 23" and go with Xeon CPUs for all we know.
What I would say is that calling it a 23" iMac would mean they'd probably have to follow the design language of the iMac. And as per Jon Prosser's leak - he's not saying if it's a redesign or a storage bump.
If it's a redesign they'd have to do the entire range at the same time but at the moment only the 27" models are seeing stocks constrict at the moment.
There's probably another 6 weeks to go if Apple are waiting for stocks of the 21.5" to run down at the moment. I noticed that some third party retailers are running out of stocks to clear out too.
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I think people are already not that interested anymore in the mobile devices market as they were a couple of years ago. iPhones are going the route of the desktop macs, so why continue to treat them as this amazing products that they were 10 years ago when they were released and neglect desktop devices?
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I am just hoping it gets released next week. I was about ready to purchase a 27” iMac today however it’s been delayed to Wednesday morning to see if there is anything, even if it’s just a minor spec boost.
The current laptop that is in use is nearly at the end of its usable life (keyboard, Bluetooth, and the display or graphics card are starting to go).
The current laptop that is in use is nearly at the end of its usable life (keyboard, Bluetooth, and the display or graphics card are starting to go).
I wondered if reopening a lot of Apple Stores next week might be time they are waiting for? But the stores being closed hasn't stopped them releasing new MacBook Air and Pro I guess. Probably just wishful think on my part. There are no Apple Stores in my country anyway.
Good shout there, I was looking at the US store openings thread. Would be nice to have new products in store to pick up - possibly AppleTV, Air Tags, and AirPods but an iMac isn't exactly a casual purchase - especially for people wanting to pick them up at an Apple Store.
I wouldn't have thought that the iMac would be something that Apple were desperate for people to go to an Apple Store to buy unless they really want them to see an all-new product 'in the metal'
.And there's also the chance that any individual country may enact second lockdown in the event of a deadly second wave.
Apple have 6 weeks to decide to pull the trigger on any further product launches.
I note that the 21.5" iMac has improved availability at the moment, and the iMac Pro seems to be vastly improved too (1-2 days to 1-2 weeks away). The 27" is still 2-3 weeks away in the US Apple Store though - or 3-4 weeks if you want a BTO.
No I don’t think they are waiting for the stores to reopen. Apple can live 100% from online sales, especially for an iMac.