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Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?
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Hello my favourite one ;-)
I feel we will be disappointed. The time that we have been waiting and hoping is slowly messing up with us and I feel we might not even get half of what we would like at this stage.
Jon Prosser's tweets are nice but he is also a massive wanker because he is just messing with people.
Today's post is an example - no reference whatsoever to what it is for. At least he could hint better.
I would dare to say that he is one of the "approved" leakers and I wouldn't be surprised if he was getting the info the same way that Jobs used to do in the past. Creating hypes and free press coverage and here we are, falling for it.
I would love bigger 27. 29 or even 32 would be awesome!
other stuff too. SSD standard for sure
And bloody decent GPU.
I feel we will be disappointed. The time that we have been waiting and hoping is slowly messing up with us and I feel we might not even get half of what we would like at this stage.
Jon Prosser's tweets are nice but he is also a massive wanker because he is just messing with people.
Today's post is an example - no reference whatsoever to what it is for. At least he could hint better.
I would dare to say that he is one of the "approved" leakers and I wouldn't be surprised if he was getting the info the same way that Jobs used to do in the past. Creating hypes and free press coverage and here we are, falling for it.
I would love bigger 27. 29 or even 32 would be awesome!
other stuff too. SSD standard for sure
And bloody decent GPU.
S' funny, pldelisle, I wasn't very pessimist about Apple under Jobs.
Let's list some of those 'positive' desktop products.
The triumphant unveiling of the G3, G4 and the G5 bauhaus tower with a huge 30 inch monitor to match. Sound value. Great design. Great accessibility. An 'ok' after market with some 3rd party upgrades available. User upgrade able.
The customer driven products of vibrant innovation iMacs. Again with great value.
Bringing the best tech' at the best prices.
And it was Steve Jobs that decided that the iPhone was too important to sell at it's high price and dropped it's price dramatically.
And again? iPad. Many 'analysts' and Apple watchers expected £1000. Jobs priced it to go at £399. (I got the iPad 3...)
I wouldn't describe any of that as pessismistic. Nor my feelings about them.
When a company almost doubled the price of the Mini, leaves the iMac stale on the vine and offers a tower for £6k after a 6 year wait... I wouldn't (£1k for stand not withstanding...) count my feelings on the last 5 years as the ones I had under Job's watch.
It's ironic that I came to the Mac platform under Amelio and bought (with further irony...) one of the Mac 'tower' clones but it was romance of Steve Jobs that....well.
Not so much 'pessimism'...but one of 'disappointment' these days. When Apple had 'so little' they did so much more.
'Money isn't everything.' Steve Jobs.
Azrael.
Nicely said, I feel the same.
I've switched to Mac in 2008 as I got 8 core Mac Pro. That was my first Apple computer and I was over the moon.
I started to be excited about keynotes and was part of the "Mac family". It was all great most of the times until Jobs passed away. Things were fine for a while as Apple still produced good stuff but slowly the magic was disappearing and it got us to the situation today.
I feel that if the trend continue this way then I might eventually leave Apple as I'm sure some other companies will be smart enough to take advantage of this "service/slofies/memoji" oriented Apple and those companies will bring great products to the market.
Who knows what will happen but as of now its sad to compare the Apple 10 or so years back to Apple now.
The comparision would be :
back then = romantic love
now = practical love (sometimes)
Yeah, it is. They wouldn't sent him unannounced product. They will send it to him when its announced
I've switched to Mac in 2008 as I got 8 core Mac Pro. That was my first Apple computer and I was over the moon.
I started to be excited about keynotes and was part of the "Mac family". It was all great most of the times until Jobs passed away. Things were fine for a while as Apple still produced good stuff but slowly the magic was disappearing and it got us to the situation today.
I feel that if the trend continue this way then I might eventually leave Apple as I'm sure some other companies will be smart enough to take advantage of this "service/slofies/memoji" oriented Apple and those companies will bring great products to the market.
Who knows what will happen but as of now its sad to compare the Apple 10 or so years back to Apple now.
The comparision would be :
back then = romantic love
now = practical love (sometimes)
[automerge]1588866096[/automerge]S' funny, pldelisle, I wasn't very pessimist about Apple under Jobs.
Let's list some of those 'positive' desktop products.
The triumphant unveiling of the G3, G4 and the G5 bauhaus tower with a huge 30 inch monitor to match. Sound value. Great design. Great accessibility. An 'ok' after market with some 3rd party upgrades available. User upgrade able.
The customer driven products of vibrant innovation iMacs. Again with great value.
Bringing the best tech' at the best prices.
And it was Steve Jobs that decided that the iPhone was too important to sell at it's high price and dropped it's price dramatically.
And again? iPad. Many 'analysts' and Apple watchers expected £1000. Jobs priced it to go at £399. (I got the iPad 3...)
I wouldn't describe any of that as pessismistic. Nor my feelings about them.
When a company almost doubled the price of the Mini, leaves the iMac stale on the vine and offers a tower for £6k after a 6 year wait... I wouldn't (£1k for stand not withstanding...) count my feelings on the last 5 years as the ones I had under Job's watch.
It's ironic that I came to the Mac platform under Amelio and bought (with further irony...) one of the Mac 'tower' clones but it was romance of Steve Jobs that....well.
Not so much 'pessimism'...but one of 'disappointment' these days. When Apple had 'so little' they did so much more.
'Money isn't everything.' Steve Jobs.
Azrael.
Yeah, it is. They wouldn't sent him unannounced product. They will send it to him when its announced
Unless the Mac desktop lineup, I still personally feel this "romance". Ahah. I think it's a matter of taste. And as a developper, I know I wouldn't work with anything but macOS. For compute purpose, I have servers for this.
Hello my favourite one ;-)
I feel we will be disappointed. The time that we have been waiting and hoping is slowly messing up with us and I feel we might not even get half of what we would like at this stage.
Jon Prosser's tweets are nice but he is also a massive wanker because he is just messing with people.
Today's post is an example - no reference whatsoever to what it is for. At least he could hint better.
I would dare to say that he is one of the "approved" leakers and I wouldn't be surprised if he was getting the info the same way that Jobs used to do in the past. Creating hypes and free press coverage and here we are, falling for it.
I would love bigger 27. 29 or even 32 would be awesome!
other stuff too. SSD standard for sure
And bloody decent GPU.
*waves at Freida.
It appears we are of a like mind.
I'm always 'hopeful' before an Apple Mac launch. But you only have to have your hand burnt by the iron twice (guess I was a slow learner...) before you become more 'pessimstic.' Or I've found the recent progress on desktops over the last 5-6 years glacial. Certainly not the barn storming desktop innovation we had under Jobs. To me, the contrast between a product CEO and a Supply Chain CEO (marketing?) are palpable. Guess you can't disappoint us Mac romantics.
Ironically, I felt the did ok with the Trash Can design...but it was something that could have replaced the mini as a 'mid-tower.' Overpriced and in the wrong tier bracket. It's that 'middle' spot that Apple fills with the iMac. And why many are looking towards the iMac as the only product that really fills that middle bracket instead of headless Mac many really(!) want.
If they gave us the mac pro at a realistic price...or bring out a pessimist busting iMac product, I'll be the 1st into my sack cloth and ash with shaved head to repent at the altar of St. Jobs.
John Prosser's tweets. I guess some are feeling a bit desperate and the updates this year haven't exactly inspired confidence of anything significant. The hopeful are easily teased, I guess. Come on, Jon Prosser...quit yer teasin'. Show us the money! SHOW ME THE MONEYYYYY!
I guess I'm an easier target because my iMac's GPU fell over. I can post this in bootcamp? Irony? But not on the Mac side. *points at self. 'Ha, har...!'
But yes, give me 29 or 32 inch screen. I'm of the view. They have a next gen iMac design with the Pro display. Take out the expensive 'display' stuff and give us the iMac of our 32 inch dreams. (Did I say 'dreams?' There's still hope then? A ray of positivity...)
SSD to go...with a decent GPU as a substantive side order! C'mon Apple....CAN YOU DO IT? CAN YOU?!
I guess being Mac-less has turned my hopeful whimsy to prosaic dreams.
Regards,
Azrael.
We really need a desktop class GPU in the iMac. A full Navi 10 XT 225w Radeon Pro 5700. iMac Pro cooling system showed us it's possible. I don't know the max capacity power supply you can fit, but I'm sure it's possible. Let's dream...
a lot of times he had the tech before was announced with the embargo lifting the day Apple officially announce
Lets see, the way it shows that camera pointing there....maybe a spec bump for the imac /pro
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we will keep dreaming.....maybe if they merge the imac and the imac pro into just 1 product....to have around 3-4 BTO options for gpu...from 120W to 225W
possner: Heads up: There’s still an iMac and AirPods ready to ship
So ready to ship would seem to indicate processor bump kinda thing? Is it possible something more remarkable could be already done and boxed? Seems unlikely... but you never know..
So ready to ship would seem to indicate processor bump kinda thing? Is it possible something more remarkable could be already done and boxed? Seems unlikely... but you never know..
Was following this thread pretty closely, but I bit the bullet on a good deal from B&H this morning (iMac in my sig). Apple for sure releasing new iMacs next week, haha. Bye, FOMO.
Ha, they're already connected up as needed for Plex and backups, and anything else goes through a USB-3 hub. Not willing to expend the additional funds right now anyway.
Apple's executives have said in interviews that over 80% of Mac sales are portables, so that leaves 20% or less for desktops.
The Mac Pro is the "no limits" (for a Mac) model so it is insanely engineered (again, for a Mac). It is as far-beyond the "Cheesegrater Mk I" as that was from the Mac II (and let us not forget that some of those models were five-figures back in 1990!).
The ability to do things that no other Mac can do.
That is no longer the role of the Mac Pro. And I in no way mean that in a demeaning or condescending way. It is literally how Apple views the Mac Pro now - for the most "pro" of "pros". It is for people working on 1000-track Logic Pro X projects scoring major Hollywood films with entire orchestras. Or editing raw footage of the next PIXAR film.
To quote the old MasterCard ads, they feel that "For everything else, there is iMac" - or really, MacBook Pro.
That is not wrong, but never forget there are plenty of people buying those "heaps of junks" at those prices. Or those $700 Mac Pro wheels.
People focus on Tim Cook's "greed" but forget that he would never keep a product in the lineup that was not pulling it's weight sales wise. It is why iPods are gone. And Airports. It is not about what the market will bear, but what the market wants and what they are willing to pay to fulfill that want.
I think someone is after the iMac 'Air' (23/4 incher.)
I'd be ok with that £799-£1250. (Covers the 21 inch iMac and old 24 inch iMac customer.)
And a 'consolidated' iMac Pro 32 incher from £1500-£3k. Using volume to drive a 6k/32 incher in the way Apple did 'back when' for the 5k.
With cpu Cores and graphics being the key differentiator.
Just as the iMac and iMac Pro are now. ie the specs have a clear divide as standard.
Just drop the innovations with the iMac Pro into the current '27 inch' iMac pricing range. Ie. Give us the 'Pro' name, colour, cooling, 8 core as standard, better gpu options.
ie. You don't have to pay 5k to get the iMac Pro specs any longer.
3 years. So those components are much more accessible in the £1500-£3k price bracket. The 'upsell' iMac is around £3,599 anyhow with the 8 core, vega 48 etc.
eg.
Customise your 27‑inch iMac with Retina 5K display.
- 3.6GHz 8-core 9th-generation Intel Core i9 processor, Turbo Boost up to 5.0GHz
- 16GB 2666MHz DDR4 memory
- Radeon Pro Vega 48 with 8GB of HBM2 memory
- 1TB SSD storage
- Magic Mouse 2
- Magic Keyboard - Britis
Just consolidate the old iMac Pro into the '27/29/32' (whatever they end up doing) into a more accessible £1500-£3k price bracket. It's not the mid-tower I want. (And many want!) But this would be less bitter sweet.
Of course, I'll be really peeved if they issue a spec bumped iMac now and I buy it...and they release what I'm talking about re: 6k 32 inch iMac as the 'Pro' model later this year... 'Only Apple' right?
Azrael.
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With the superior cooling. Why not? If you can fit an 18 core cpu with Vega 64 in that 'Pro' chassis...why not a 5700XT in the iMac with superior cooling? Navi is supposed to be more thermally efficient than Polaris? Not that Apple don't under power or under clock cpu or gpu components...so they run under thermal constraints.
It seems like the next logical step to me. It can hardly be otherwise now with the iMac pro being so out of date. Otherwise the iMac will be a sidegrade. (Not that they haven't done sidegrades on GPUS before in the iMac...)
And even the Mac Mini 'starter' Mac got the 'pro' grey.
Azrael.
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Ditto! 32" would be perfect! Please Apple, please.... I don't think there's much hope though I'm afraid.
The shipping times for non-BTO / BTO iMacs 27" also slipped to end of the May / mid June here in Czech Republic. I think we can surely expect and update in the next 14 days.
Interestingly the iMac 21" shipping times are ok (next week)...?
My guess: iMac 23" to replace 21", iMac 27" spec bump.
Interestingly the iMac 21" shipping times are ok (next week)...?
My guess: iMac 23" to replace 21", iMac 27" spec bump.
What would be funny is if they redesign (or even just spec bump) the iMac line up without bringing changes to the iMac Pro.
BTO iMac Pro is June 2nd in Canada.
BTO iMac Pro is June 2nd in Canada.
Well MCK is now saying Apple's miniLED products might slip into 2021, so the iMac Pro refresh (which is one of the products he said would get miniLED along with the 16' MBP refresh and a new 14.1" MBP) could be delayed, if true.
Delayed to 2021, with GPUs discontinued since July 2019 ? Still on 14 nm ? Ouch. That would mean 4 years old GPU being sold in a 5000$ machine ...
I know Apple buys a sh*t load of spare parts when manufacturing a computer for future repairs, but if they do delay the release of an iMac Pro 2nd gen because of the display, this is a shame ...
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Thank you for clarifying. I probably have less intensive usage than yours and I put some tasks aside that I decided to run on my NAS instead of saturating my old i7.
I also feel some essential software limitations as I am still running 10.6.8 (Snow Leopard for those who were not born yet), so SSD swap would be also the opportunity to upgrade OS to Sierra maybe or High Sierra just like you.
I did not think about DVD slot to put SSD in, I ignore if I can boot on this drive once there or whether SSD absolutely has to be in place of older HDD which would move to DVD position.
"Ready to ship" usually means in boxes ready to go to consumers... it is possible that all of these products are being staged at distribution points in different regions of the world so there is supply ready to be delivered when they are announced. Nothing like ordering a new device/computer, then having to wait 4 weeks for it to arrive, something that could happen if there was something like a pandemic that delayed deliveries/shipping channels.
Meanwhile, Intel announced 10th gen when ? Last week ? For sure Apple got engineering samples to build the new iMac, but can it be *that* fast ?
My speculation and wish listing:
iMac Pro - I think they might discontinue the 8 core base config, and drop the price on the rest, making the 10 core the starting config. Similar to how they dropped the 4 core trashcan towards the end of its life. Then update it properly when the new GPUs and/or Mini LED is available.
21" iMac - Replace with 23". Maybe keep an entry 21" around?
27" iMac - This is what I am interested in, and am ready to buy if I like what I see. I suspect we won't get a full redesign unfortunately. I'd love to see a bigger screen around 30' in the same size chassis, but I would be ok with the same design, with a 10th gen 6-8 core CPU (with a 10 core BTO option), 16GB base RAM (user upgradable), SSD only, T2, a decent GPU (5700/5700xt) and decent cooling (like the iMac Pro). If Apple comes up with something close to that I will likely pull the trigger.
iMac Pro - I think they might discontinue the 8 core base config, and drop the price on the rest, making the 10 core the starting config. Similar to how they dropped the 4 core trashcan towards the end of its life. Then update it properly when the new GPUs and/or Mini LED is available.
21" iMac - Replace with 23". Maybe keep an entry 21" around?
27" iMac - This is what I am interested in, and am ready to buy if I like what I see. I suspect we won't get a full redesign unfortunately. I'd love to see a bigger screen around 30' in the same size chassis, but I would be ok with the same design, with a 10th gen 6-8 core CPU (with a 10 core BTO option), 16GB base RAM (user upgradable), SSD only, T2, a decent GPU (5700/5700xt) and decent cooling (like the iMac Pro). If Apple comes up with something close to that I will likely pull the trigger.
That seems more realistic than the 2.5-3.33% I said was probably not accurate. 20% (or thereabouts) still adds up to a lot of computers, and something worthwhile spending time on developing new models of.