According to my own research, about 25% of all Macs sold are iMacs:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/will-a-redesigned-imac-arrive-in-2020.2184301/post-27472139
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Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?
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According to my own research, about 25% of all Macs sold are iMacs:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/will-a-redesigned-imac-arrive-in-2020.2184301/post-27472139
Haha, that's what I mean, they need to keep their margins high.
That's true, we underestimate how few people actually still have desktops. The real ratio won't be that extreme, as desktops are probably mainly bought by companies, but it actually surprises me how many different desktop models Apple still has. How big is the market for the Mac mini and the iMac Pro really? Compared to the MacBook Air and the MacBook Pro. For example, given the amount of laptops they sell, you would expect them to offer more than just two screen sizes.
Can someone explain to me this, please?
How come that iMac Pro is cheaper than Mac Pro (the entry config) and yet it comes with more storage space (256GB vs 1TB) better gpu and screen on top of it? So what are we really paying Apple for in the Mac Pro form? Is it really the designed box that Mac Pro is in that is so expensive that we get worse deal than iMac Pro or have I overlooked things? To get 1TB storage on Mac Pro you have to pay extra $500CAD which makes the machine ever more expensive than iMac Pro and we still miss the screen.
So when Cook talks about great prices etc. did he not see this?
I miss the 2008 and 2010 time when Mac Pro was affordable and logical for most prosumers.
How come that iMac Pro is cheaper than Mac Pro (the entry config) and yet it comes with more storage space (256GB vs 1TB) better gpu and screen on top of it? So what are we really paying Apple for in the Mac Pro form? Is it really the designed box that Mac Pro is in that is so expensive that we get worse deal than iMac Pro or have I overlooked things? To get 1TB storage on Mac Pro you have to pay extra $500CAD which makes the machine ever more expensive than iMac Pro and we still miss the screen.
So when Cook talks about great prices etc. did he not see this?
I miss the 2008 and 2010 time when Mac Pro was affordable and logical for most prosumers.
Yeah, I noticed that here in Turkey Apple store too. It increased to almost 3 weeks. Yesterday that delivery time was 2-3 days.
Totally agree. Base config of Mac Pro is way to small for the price. Should have at least 2 TB storage in RAID 0 setup and W5700X standard. No Polaris 580 in a 6000$ machine please. This is absolutely non sense. There is literally 3 generations of graphics card coexisting in the Mac Pro. Let's keep the Vega II and W5700X.
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I am curious to know what do you mean by "on its last leg". Do you have any sign of upcoming failure? Or just fearing it ? I ask because I also have a 27" imac I bought in jan 2010 which actually is a late 2009 model. I expanded RAM to 12GB but still use Hitachi 2To HDD that was originally embedded, wondering whether I could replace it by a 1 or 2To SSD so as to enjoy this iMac for few more years.
hopefully in a redesign istead of a speed bump...... :/
The problem is that there is no need to look for logic. It is just as pointless as with wheels for $ 700 or with a foot for a monitor for $ 1000. We pay for a piece of metal with the possibility of expansion. For example, iMac Pro is a ready-made (and I must say excellent for its tasks) solution, but difficult to expand, which is painful for the professional segment. And at Mac Pro we pay for a base with upgrade potential. In my understanding, the basic Mac Pro is generally not considered a logical solution and must necessarily have at least some kind of custom. The same Radeon 580 causes only laughter, this suggests that it is installed there only as a stub. Unless we consider the possibility that some musicians really need a Mac Pro, but they have nowhere to apply the powerful GPU
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I've already see that the 1000$ monitor stand is that price not because it's expansive to manufacture, but because the margin on the XDR screen is too low, so Apple needed to overprice the stand to make it a bit more profitable.
Is it true or not ....... nobody knows for sure. But it could be a "reason".
Is it true or not ....... nobody knows for sure. But it could be a "reason".
'...because they're Apple.'
Which seems to be the primary reason behind $700 wheels and $1000 stand or a $6000 mac 'pro' with 580 gpu.
Or this heap of junk.
'iMac.'
2.3GHz Dual-Core Processor with Turbo Boost up to 3.6GHz
1TB Storage
- 2.3GHz dual-core 7th-generation Intel Core i5 processor
- Turbo Boost up to 3.6GHz
- 8GB 2133MHz memory, configurable to 16GB
- 1TB hard drive¹
- Intel Iris Plus Graphics 640
- Two Thunderbolt 3 ports
- 1920x1080 sRGB display
£1,049.00
I'm ok with this 'iMac' if they half the price to £525 and include a 256 gig SSD instead. That would be a 'starter' Mac for school and budget conscious buyers.
Not the expensive 'no screen, no dGPU, no k/b, no mouse' Mac Mini Value.
If you want the 'reason?' Quite simple.
'Twisted by the dark side Apple has become.....the Apple Steve Jobs trained, gone they are. Consumed by the shadow of greed.' *uses Yoda voice.
Azrael.
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*fingers crossed.
From the Twitter 'hints' it seems like the 'new' (let's hope it really *IS* in DESIGN and specs) is any day now?
Azrael.
One day the iMac will be the iMac Air. When Apple moves to Mac ARM and it becomes a giant iPad on a stand which it kinda is...bar the lack of touch.
A slimmer iMac. They already started that process with teh tapered 'tear drop' design which is quite old now. But they seem more interested in protecting their margins with the Fusion Drive rather than pushing a better design or deal for the customer. When the design is 8 years old...you know... It's hardly worthy of the iMac's rep as the flagship model for innovative design. In short, if Apple had gone to SSD sooner then they could have shaved the tear drop design further. I look at the Macbook Pro design and think...why can't you just make that 24 inches and put it on a stand? It would be eye catching. And you could still have 'some' dGPU in there. There would be more room to spread the components out than with the 16 inch Mac Book Pro.
£500 Hi def screen iMac for the budget conscious.
£799 23 inch 4k iMac with Iris 'crappics.'
£999 23 inch 4k iMac with dGPU.
£1250 23 inch 4k iMac with dGPU.
I do recall Apple had 2-3 iMac desktops around £1k and at least two of those were below £1k. One was £565 or 595? And I recall a fellow Mac guy instore said, 'I'll pick up another iMac for my daughter...' ie at teh £565-595 price. It's shame Apple's increasing greed has robbed budget conscious Mac buyers and PC converts of their chance to get a decent desktop for decent coin.
As opposed to drop kicking the Mac Mini in the bin...I'd sooner Apple double it's height to make a greater mini-tower with dGPU and 8/10 core options. And put it in the £999-£2k bracket for those that don't like laptops on a stand. And many don't.
As for the 27 inch iMac. Like the 21 inch, it gets boosted screen size to 29 or 32 inches (the latter with 6k resolution?), better graphics and 8 core to 10 core options. Priced £1500, £1750, £2000.
Anything about £1000 gets 16 gigs of ram standard. SSDs are (long overdue) standard across the board.
Azrael.
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'Awesome?'
It's up to Apple to make it awesome. But I share you're feeling. I hope...well...I think we're all gagging or hoping beyond hope that Apple does something kick az.
Azrael.
I just hope they won't keep any "old" model in the line up. Apple is pretty good to do that. Hope they going to clean that up.
I have a 1TB Samsung SSD and a 2TB HD in the old dvd slot for 3TB total with 32GB of ram. I am limited to High Sierra so some very good apps I cant use. Also CPU intensive tasks are pushing the temps far higher than they should, even after pulling it apart and cleaning the internals. It has been a good friend but I need more CPU and GPU power to do my work. Beachballs are more common over the past year as well.
Yes. There's plenty of iMac juicy gum drop and eMac precedence on pricing.
Here in the UK, it would be nice to have a desktop with a screen (and k/b AND mouse...and dGPU...) that could break the £1k barrier.
Azrael.
Oh dear. Are those the actual numbers? :O
The iGP doesn't even reach a single tera flop?
*shakes head. So it's just over twice as fast as something that is ancient? *disgrace for the price charged.
'It's a heap of junk.'
'Yeah kid...but it'll make the kessel run in...' (insert answer.)
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Yeah....but the joke is on us. *points at myself. 'Ha, ha!'
It's ironic that even Apple's historical pricing seems 'unrealistic.' I used to fly the flag for Apple products and recommended them. No longer. :/
You have to give props to their marketing which is far better than their products.
*puts on his stare eyes at the fluffy cloud and enjoys the sun some more.
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Ironically, if they moved the Mini up in pricing and doubled it's height they could do this easily and put in some decent dGPU. I'd be quite happy with it occupying the Cube design/mid-tower slot. My biggest beef with the Mini is '....du-OH...so close...and yet...so far.'
8-10 mini with 5600 or 5700 gpu. Many mid-tower wannabes would probably be over that like a rash. Pricing of £799, 999, 1295, 1500. That kind of stuff.
Mini it too slim for it's own good. I'm all for making products a bit thicker (they're desktops?) if it doesn't compromise performance. I get that the mini is server rack wannabe but it would serve the prosumer creative crowd even better if it's design was a bit less 'cynical.'
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These are the numbers from techpowerup.
You are very pessimist. Apple laptops are still great quality and now reliable (with new keyboard). The desktops are lagging, but laptops are shinning. The lineup is beautiful, well defined, wide range of prices and not too overpriced. Still, there is the Apple tax, but every Apple buyer is willing to pay it.
Same for the iPad. Wide range of selection and prices.
You are very pessimist. Apple laptops are still great quality and now reliable (with new keyboard). The desktops are lagging, but laptops are shinning. The lineup is beautiful, well defined, wide range of prices and not too overpriced. Still, there is the Apple tax, but every Apple buyer is willing to pay it.
Same for the iPad. Wide range of selection and prices.
Another thing...isn't the Mac user base around 100 million plus by now?
25 million of that should be desktops at least. That's not a small number.
So there is an upgrade market of substance for any new iMacs be they 23 or 32 inch.
I was never fond of laptops myself. To me, they were just portable desktops.
An iPad is more a 'lap' top. You can't really snuggle a laptop on the sofa...
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Well. We can only pray to the god of jobs that something meaningful happens to Apple's desktops.
eg. Mac Pro 'prosumer' £2.5k model with iCPUs and a 5700XT.
eg. An 8 core iMac as standard on the 27 (29? 32 inch? Pending?) models. With 16 gigs, SSD standard with better gpu options. With NO price rise.
eg. 23 inch iMac dropping into the sub £1k bracket.
It's not like Apple can't make a profit on that. Historically, Apple always made profit. It's just these days? They want to make 'what the market will tolerate' profit.
Azrael.
25 million of that should be desktops at least. That's not a small number.
So there is an upgrade market of substance for any new iMacs be they 23 or 32 inch.
I was never fond of laptops myself. To me, they were just portable desktops.
An iPad is more a 'lap' top. You can't really snuggle a laptop on the sofa...
Azrael.
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Well. We can only pray to the god of jobs that something meaningful happens to Apple's desktops.
eg. Mac Pro 'prosumer' £2.5k model with iCPUs and a 5700XT.
eg. An 8 core iMac as standard on the 27 (29? 32 inch? Pending?) models. With 16 gigs, SSD standard with better gpu options. With NO price rise.
eg. 23 inch iMac dropping into the sub £1k bracket.
It's not like Apple can't make a profit on that. Historically, Apple always made profit. It's just these days? They want to make 'what the market will tolerate' profit.
Azrael.