Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

[ggx12]

Chin doesn't bother me that much. Its the white bezels that are awful

Same here - packaging the computer in the chin was a clever way to keep the iconic design. I also like the no-logo on the front, it feels fresh.

Just waiting for a bigger display and black bezels

 

[satchmo]

Chin doesn't bother me that much. Its the white bezels that are awful

I don't mind the white bezels. My iBooks, MacBooks, and iPads look just fine. The white bezel has a very light consumer look to it, and matches lots of decors well.

My favourite is the silver aluminum bezel of my 30" Cinema Display though. The black bezels of my two iMacs are my least favourite.

In a way, I can see why they went white. I'm sitting in front of my 27" iMac and those 1" thick black bezels really do make for a visual eyesore. The white, rather light grey as Apple is calling it, is perhaps 'friendlier' looking?

Of course if those bezels were black, and thinner than the current 1" width (which it visually appears to be), it would help. Although rough renders of that in another thread show it still looks rather 'clunky'.

IMO, the bezels in black need to be around 1/2" wide to look nice. But then we're getting into XDR display territory.

 

[CWallace]

I am just an average person. A 24" M1 sounds perfect to me. I just wish the colors were the same as the old model.

Knowing Apple, expect a Black and Silver option released in around six months to boost sales again. Probably also with a Project RED.

Two things I paid attention to:

1. The 24" iMac maxes out at 16 GB RAM. The models it replaced had an option for 32 GB and supported 64 GB with third-party upgrades. Is this a sign that the initial high-end iMac/MBP models may also not fully match the capabilities of the Intel Macs they replace?
2. Apple may be constrained by their ability to design higher-end chips. Their internal prototypes were apparently not ready for production by the time the decisions about the 24" iMac were made.

The M1 uses on-package memory and that is of a different type than the "external" memory used by desktops and laptops. Multi-GB on-package memory is predominately used by smartphones and tablets and those devices tend to use 2GB, 4GB or 8GB so that is where the production focus has been. The M1 uses paired modules so that is why the only options so far have been 8GB (2x4GB modules) or 16GB (2x8GB modules).

16GB modules are now starting to enter production and 32GB modules are either in development or entering initial production. So future M-series SoCs will be able to support 32GB and 64GB at a minimum and we might see four-way or eight-way modules on the really high-end machines to support 128GB, 256GB or even more.


As for designing more powerful chips, that should not really be an issue. Apple Silicon is designed to be scaleable and flexible with different numbers of CPU cores, GPU cores, Machine Learning cores, etc. I am sure Apple could have a 12 or 16 or even more core M-series SoC right now if they wanted. And that the iMac M1 has two fans instead of one makes me believe that even though it has the same 8 CPU and 8 GPU cores as the rest of the current M1 line, it is likely able to clock them higher because of the additional thermal headroom.

 

[Moonjumper]

I really like the colours on the back, but they have paired them down with watered down versions on the front and leg. I wish the bold colours had continued over all those areas (and have the bold colours available on iPhone and iPads). As it is, when using an iMac, I would only see the colours I don't like.

Black bezels would make the colours on screen appear bolder. Maybe have white (or "light grey", but that sounds too close to beige, the antithesis of Apple) on some models, but at least have black as others, or have a choice of either. Another option would be to have them in the same colour as the computer.

I would rather have a thicker computer than the chin (thicker wouldn't bother me, especially if it also allowed the PSU to be internal rather than the stupid power brick), but if it is there for the speakers, have speaker fabric, not something solid.

 

[Cassandle]

Knowing Apple, expect a Black and Silver option released in around six months to boost sales again. Probably also with a Project RED.

Absolutely, expect a Product RED version in the next year.

 

[CWallace]

Depending on how long Apple and Quanta stall REvil's ransomware demands, maybe we will get confirmation of the larger iMac now that we have confirmation of the 14" and 16" MacBook Pro. REvil did list two other unannounced Macs, which 9to5Mac believes will be "Mac mini Pros" with the M1X/M2 SoC.

 

[satchmo]

What if Apple went retro-themed for the 30" models?
A space grey with black bezels and a silver model with white bezel to appease everyone....and six colour logo of course. ?

 

[CWallace]

I fully expect the "iMac Pro" will be offered in at least Space Grey / Black and I could see Silver / White as another color option. Perhaps Silver / White or Silver / Black.

 

[Hexley]

I suspect that the iMac 32" will come out as early as 7 weeks from today or as late as December 2021 like those of the iMac Pro or Mac Pro.

With the global chip shortage I expect to receive my iMac 32" by Q1 2022. Which is fine by me as my 2012 iMac 27" will turn 9yo by then. Just wish I installed a replacement 2TB SSD on August 2016 so I'd really have an awesome user experience.

 

[Freida]

Looks nice except the logo.

You can't have a logo like that as its visually disturbing. Your eyes are drawn to that so in essence that is actually bad design choice.

But the space gray with black boarders look very nice. Would buy the immediately

What if Apple went retro-themed for the 30" models?
A space grey with black bezels and a silver model with white bezel to appease everyone....and six colour logo of course. ?



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[JouniS]

As for designing more powerful chips, that should not really be an issue. Apple Silicon is designed to be scaleable and flexible with different numbers of CPU cores, GPU cores, Machine Learning cores, etc. I am sure Apple could have a 12 or 16 or even more core M-series SoC right now if they wanted.

R&D is unpredictable. Even when you know that something can be done, getting the details right may take a few months (or a year or two) longer than you expected. The fact that Apple just released new models based on the same SoC it used almost half a year ago suggests that they are not developing new chips as quickly as they had hoped.

 

[CWallace]

R&D is unpredictable. Even when you know that something can be done, getting the details right may take a few months (or a year or two) longer than you expected. The fact that Apple just released new models based on the same SoC it used almost half a year ago suggests that they are not developing new chips as quickly as they had hoped.

Or that they planned to release the iMac last year and were not able to until now due to supply issues for some component or they had issues manufacturing the colored cases (we did not hear about colors until l0vetodream earlier this year, likely when they entered production).

Remember we had plenty of rumors and leaks of an "iPad Pro-like 24" iMac" going back to very early 2020 from MCK, Prosser, Japanese and Chinese media and others. The machine was expected to be released in March 2020, then WWDC 2020, then August 2020 then March 2021 and finally yesterday.

Prosser said this iMac would not have a chin, so maybe Apple was studying multiple designs or the one without the chin did not work thermally or had (even more) terrible sound so they had to go back and ended up adding the chin which pushed back the release date until today.

 

[Freida]

I just hope that we get to start getting rumours about the bigger iMac soon.

That is one machine I am excited about so would be great to start getting some leaks in too build the hype

is Azrael still around?

 

[Freida]

Still around?

Azrael.

 

[fuchsdh]

In a way, I can see why they went white. I'm sitting in front of my 27" iMac and those 1" thick black bezels really do make for a visual eyesore. The white, rather light grey as Apple is calling it, is perhaps 'friendlier' looking?

Of course if those bezels were black, and thinner than the current 1" width (which it visually appears to be), it would help. Although rough renders of that in another thread show it still looks rather 'clunky'.

IMO, the bezels in black need to be around 1/2" wide to look nice. But then we're getting into XDR display territory.

While I'd need to do better than just plunking down the AR model of the new iMacs on my desk, the bezels look similar or thinner to the ones on my Dell monitor, and that's about 0.75 inches. It's obviously not iOS device level thin, but it's still a substantial reduction from the very broad ones on the previous iMacs (at least 15%, will be curious to know what the hard numbers are.)

But to a degree with a desktop computer I still want bezels. Something neutral-colored surrounding my content is good, as is having a place to adjust the display without accidentally getting fingerprints on it (the white bezels on the iMacs will immediately make it better in that regard than the glossy black glass of the previous model.)

 

[EugW]

Or that they planned to release the iMac last year and were not able to until now due to supply issues for some component or they had issues manufacturing the colored cases (we did not hear about colors until l0vetodream earlier this year, likely when they entered production).

Remember we had plenty of rumors and leaks of an "iPad Pro-like 24" iMac" going back to very early 2020 from MCK, Prosser, Japanese and Chinese media and others. The machine was expected to be released in March 2020, then WWDC 2020, then August 2020 then March 2021 and finally yesterday.

Prosser said this iMac would not have a chin, so maybe Apple was studying multiple designs or the one without the chin did not work thermally or had (even more) terrible sound so they had to go back and ended up adding the chin which pushed back the release date until today.

Don't bother wasting your time with Prosser.

 

[AutomaticApple]

Apple did say they are using an innovative cooling system on the new iMac, right? Cooling tubes, running up the inside of the sides. *shrug* Heat just doesn't disappear...

Yes, innovative because it's thin.

And home users are more likely to use multiple USB devices, and also more likely to be bitten by a cheap USB hub. More ports is not something that is such an alien concept. More ports adds flexibility to a machine noticeably absent of any degree of upgradeability.

No, they don't. You don't know what a home user is, do you? Take off your tech-savvy shoes for a second...

Well, that's technically two different product lines.

But they just killed the iMac Pro a few months ago...so I think it'll just be the big and small iMac. In that case, I can see a space grey with black bezels...but still a chin.

Marketing is everything. I can see why Apple might call it the iMac Pro.

Chin doesn't bother me that much. Its the white bezels that are awful

You will get used to the white bezels within five seconds, mark my words.

I really like the colours on the back, but they have paired them down with watered down versions on the front and leg. I wish the bold colours had continued over all those areas (and have the bold colours available on iPhone and iPads). As it is, when using an iMac, I would only see the colours I don't like.

Black bezels would make the colours on screen appear bolder. Maybe have white (or "light grey", but that sounds too close to beige, the antithesis of Apple) on some models, but at least have black as others, or have a choice of either. Another option would be to have them in the same colour as the computer.

I would rather have a thicker computer than the chin (thicker wouldn't bother me, especially if it also allowed the PSU to be internal rather than the stupid power brick), but if it is there for the speakers, have speaker fabric, not something solid.

The power brick is a very minor thing that most people will forget about when they put it under their desks. The ethernet solution is very clever too. I already own a 2-in-1 that requires an external power supply due to how thin it is. No issues whatsoever because I don't spend all day looking at the external power supply.

Absolutely, expect a Product RED version in the next year.

Perfect for your next-door evil villain! Must be an eyesore to look at...

Depending on how long Apple and Quanta stall REvil's ransomware demands, maybe we will get confirmation of the larger iMac now that we have confirmation of the 14" and 16" MacBook Pro. REvil did list two other unannounced Macs, which 9to5Mac believes will be "Mac mini Pros" with the M1X/M2 SoC.

I hope they don't stall their demands at all. I want to see all the leaks!

What if Apple went retro-themed for the 30" models?
A space grey with black bezels and a silver model with white bezel to appease everyone....and six colour logo of course. ?



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The logo is off-center!

I suspect that the iMac 32" will come out as early as 7 weeks from today or as late as December 2021 like those of the iMac Pro or Mac Pro.

Unveiled at WWDC but ships in December maybe?

Looks nice except the logo.

You can't have a logo like that as its visually disturbing. Your eyes are drawn to that so in essence that is actually bad design choice.

But the space gray with black boarders look very nice. Would buy the immediately

You have to admit that the logo looks nice though, right?

Don't bother wasting your time with Prosser.

Wait, why? What's wrong with him? He has accurately predicted a lot of things in the past (including stuff at the April event).

 

[JouniS]

And home users are more likely to use multiple USB devices, and also more likely to be bitten by a cheap USB hub. More ports is not something that is such an alien concept. More ports adds flexibility to a machine noticeably absent of any degree of upgradeability.

I think the 4 USB ports in the higher-end model are just enough most home users. Printers and scanners are common, and one port is needed for charging the keyboard and mouse. That leaves one port for connecting random storage devices and cameras.

Having only 2 ports in the 7-core model is probably a marketing choice. Because the differences between 7 and 8 GPU cores are negligible, people need more incentives to buy the more expensive model. Leaving the ports out may even be more expensive for Apple than including them, because they now need two separate case models.

 

[EugW]

Wait, why? What's wrong with him? He has accurately predicted a lot of things in the past (including stuff at the April event).

He got a few things right a long time ago, but then he started making up stuff that proved to be totally wrong (and was obnoxious about it), and lately he's been regurgitating Gurman or Kuo or L0vetodream, perhaps to try to get back into the limelight.

He had his 15 minutes of fame, but he's now no longer worth reading.

With regards to his few correct predictions previously, I wonder if it's like what happened with me and my blog way back when. I got a hot scoop, and was the first in the world to "publish" that the G5 was going quad. I posted concrete evidence literally 7 months before it actually came out. But then after that, I never got such a hot scoop again.

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[DrRadon]

I still have not understood why the 13 inch M1 iPad Pro is not every casual MacOS and iOS device you will ever need.

Attach a hub via the port, mouse keyboard via bluetooth, big external monitor. Who needs an iMac if the internals are pretty much the same anyway. Who needs a MacBook if the internals are the same anyway.

Obviously the reason is money. But hell, in that case don't case don't name the ****ing thing inside M1 so it's easier to pretend you care about the environment over revenue.

 

[DrRadon]

And ill tell you about all your WWDC wet dreams when it comes to a new iMac.

It´s not going to happen.

You know what's going to happen?

The same exact thing as last year.

Apple announces a new Chip so developers have time to work with it to have their software more ready by the end of the year when a new big iMac with more power actually hits.

 

[Brian Y]

I think the 4 USB ports in the higher-end model are just enough most home users. Printers and scanners are common, and one port is needed for charging the keyboard and mouse. That leaves one port for connecting random storage devices and cameras.

Having only 2 ports in the 7-core model is probably a marketing choice. Because the differences between 7 and 8 GPU cores are negligible, people need more incentives to buy the more expensive model. Leaving the ports out may even be more expensive for Apple than including them, because they now need two separate case models.

This is why I couldn't recommend an M1 mac to anyone other than a basic home user until they sort out this IO mess. Who the hell ships a £1200 desktop computer with 2 usb ports and nothing else? It's freaking ridiculous.

You can't just glue an iPad to a larger display and call it innovation a desktop computer.

 

[Cassandle]

I still have not understood why the 13 inch M1 iPad Pro is not every casual MacOS and iOS device you will ever need.

Attach a hub via the port, mouse keyboard via bluetooth, big external monitor. Who needs an iMac if the internals are pretty much the same anyway. Who needs a MacBook if the internals are the same anyway.

Obviously the reason is money. But hell, in that case don't case don't name the ****ing thing inside M1 so it's easier to pretend you care about the environment over revenue.

Because choice is a good thing?!?

 

[iPadified]

White bezels are actually good if you work with while background such as word documents. If you run dark mode black bezels are better. You can also ignore the bezels altogether and focus on what the pixels are showing .

I still have not understood why the 13 inch M1 iPad Pro is not every casual MacOS and iOS device you will ever need.

Attach a hub via the port, mouse keyboard via bluetooth, big external monitor. Who needs an iMac if the internals are pretty much the same anyway. Who needs a MacBook if the internals are the same anyway.

Obviously the reason is money. But hell, in that case don't case don't name the ****ing thing inside M1 so it's easier to pretend you care about the environment over revenue.

My thought exactly - dual boot and peripherals for easy switching. However, it would look like a snake nest with all those cables.

I really do not understand the obsession with a front facing Apple logo. Have you forgotten what computer you have in front of you from time to time?

 

[PinkyMacGodess]

With regards to his few correct predictions previously, I wonder if it's like what happened with me and my blog way back when. I got a hot scoop, and was the first in the world to "publish" that the G5 was going quad. I posted concrete evidence literally 7 months before it actually came out. But then after that, I never got such a hot scoop again.

Sounds like someone tested you, and you failed. Well, or passed, but either way, that knowledge wasn't trusted with you again.

If I was Apple, I'd feed titbits, and see who reports them, and where, and then consider the person they 'leaked' the info to 'burned'. But it's not like it's hard to 'leak' Apple's upcoming tech. They leak like a faucet at times...