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When do you expect an iMac redesign?

  • 4rd quarter 2019

    Votes: 34 4.1%
  • 1st quarter 2020

    Votes: 23 2.8%
  • 2nd quarter 2020

    Votes: 119 14.5%
  • 3rd quarter 2020

    Votes: 131 15.9%
  • 4rd quarter 2020

    Votes: 172 20.9%
  • 2021 or later

    Votes: 343 41.7%

  • Total voters
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fuchsdh

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Making a $999 Mac is easy for Apple.

Making a $999 Mac with the margin they desire, on the otherhand...

But hey, the new MacBook Air Retina M1 is $999, so there is hope! And I expect we will see $100-200 off soon enough from third-party retailers so it will be that much closer to $999.

(Also agree with your general comments on the baseline 24" vs. the 21.5".)
Fair point of clarification. Although even with their margins, it doesn't feel like the stuff they're carving out of the base iMac really drop the price that much (they've got to ship an entirely different power brick just for that purpose!)
 

CWallace

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Fair point of clarification. Although even with their margins, it doesn't feel like the stuff they're carving out of the base iMac really drop the price that much (they've got to ship an entirely different power brick just for that purpose!)

I expect Apple are incurring extra expense in having the "de-contented" $1299 iMac versus just raising the price to $1499 and including everything. I mean you will likely spend more than $200 just adding the stuff that doesn't come with the base model and you still end up with less ports.

But I imagine there are plenty of folks who don't care about the "extras" (as they would consider them) of the $1499 iMac and $200 saved is $200 to spend on other things they do care and if that gets them to buy an iMac when they otherwise might not...
 

EugW

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If you buy the power brick later, does that add Ethernet to the base model 24" iMac?
 

CWallace

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If you buy the power brick later, does that add Ethernet to the base model 24" iMac?

I would imagine it will since I am presuming the Ethernet controller is part of the M1 SoC. So if you used a USB or TB Ethernet dongle it would work, as well.
 

EugW

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I would imagine it will since I am presuming the Ethernet controller is part of the M1 SoC. So if you used a USB or TB Ethernet dongle it would work, as well.
Wouldn't the Ethernet controller would be in the dongle itself? I would have thought that's why you can buy $20 USB Ethernet dongles off eBay based off a multitude of different chipsets, and most of them work just fine.

Hell, Ethernet even works with my Lightning iPad Pro via a dongle.
 

CWallace

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It might be deactivated permanently like the 8th GPU core?

I am guessing that in many cases the deactivated GPU core is due to a yield issue (like between the A12X and A12Z - as yields improved, the 8th core was always enabled), though of course nothing prevents Apple from disabling a perfectly-functioning GPU core to reduce it to 7 for the entry-level models (Intel used to do this with L2 cache).


Wouldn't the Ethernet controller would be in the dongle itself? I would have thought that's why you can buy $20 USB Ethernet dongles off eBay based off a multitude of different chipsets, and most of them work just fine.

Hell, Ethernet even works with my Lightning iPad Pro via a dongle.

Usually the system has an Ethernet controller as part of the PCH (Southbridge), but it would make sense the dongles have them, as well, for systems that do not have an onboard controller.
 

Freida

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As soon as he talked about cpumonkey he lost the credibility. Cpumonkey was known to be just guessing and those specs are not real. So the fact that this guy referred to those is a big no no.

So yeah, 7 mins fluff about pretty much nothing

New leaks!

 

EugW

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As soon as he talked about cpumonkey he lost the credibility. Cpumonkey was known to be just guessing and those specs are not real. So the fact that this guy referred to those is a big no no.

So yeah, 7 mins fluff about pretty much nothing
Yeah, I didn't even bother watching that vid. Thanks for mentioning it was CPU-Monkey. They usually just put placeholders with their best guesstimates.
 
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Homy

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As soon as he talked about cpumonkey he lost the credibility. Cpumonkey was known to be just guessing and those specs are not real. So the fact that this guy referred to those is a big no no.

So yeah, 7 mins fluff about pretty much nothing

You're too sensitive if you discard everything else just because the mention of CPUmonkey. His main source is the twitter user Longhorn "a well-known leaker with a fairly good track record" (according to Tomshardware) who has been digging around in Mac OS Big Sur supposedly. And remember it's just rumors like everything else on this site.


 
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EugW

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No that was not the main source, but that is what you get if you don't bother to watch and listen to someone else who also stops watching after the mention of CPUmonkey.
Next time just post the Longhorn tweet. Other respected leakers include L0vetodream and Ming-Chi Kuo.

Nobody wants to watch some random person spout off for 7 minutes based other people's rumours, especially when they include CPU-Monkey.
 
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Freida

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I'm not sensitive, I just hate giving revenue to people who don't deserve it and I also hate wasting time. Next time, share the tweet and thats all we need. The youtube was pointless as the guy was just filling time to get his money. :)

You're too sensitive if you discard everything else just because the mention of CPUmonkey. His main source is the twitter user Longhorn "a well-known leaker with a fairly good track record" (according to Tomshardware) who has been digging around in Mac OS Big Sur supposedly. And remember it's just rumors like everything else on this site.


 

Freida

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I watched the whole video. Thats why I said what I said. The video is useless but thanks for sharing the tweet. That is good value here. :)



No that was not the main source, but that is what you get if you don't bother to watch and listen to someone else who also stops watching after the mention of CPUmonkey.
 

fishkorp

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The way I look at it is the base model iMac is not a product a lot of people should buy, but it's far, far, far, far better than the base model iMac they used to sell (and technically still do, although it's tucked away and hidden.) The 256GB storage limit, the 8GB of RAM, the two ports, the lack of wired networking... compared to the 1080p, three-gens-behind chip iMac with a 5400RPM hard drive until recently, it's like night and day.

It is kind of funny that modern Apple has such a tough time making a $999 iMac.
Those aren’t limits. Why do people keep saying that? The tech specs literally say the base configuration can be upgraded to 16 GB RAM and 1 TB SSD, And the higher models up to 2 TB.
 

CWallace

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You're too sensitive if you discard everything else just because the mention of CPUmonkey. His main source is the twitter user Longhorn "a well-known leaker with a fairly good track record" (according to Tomshardware) who has been digging around in Mac OS Big Sur supposedly.

With the M1 being T8103, it seems odd the M1X would be a T6000-series chip. It should also be a T8100 series SoC.

So either we have two more M1-based SoCs coming and that is what T8110 and T8112 are referring to, or T8110 does refer to the A15 and T8112 to the M2 which implies Apple will wait for M2 for the "iMac Pro", 14 and 16" MacBook Pros and 2022 iPad Pro.

I wonder if the T6000 are for the Apple VR/AR project?
 
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Homy

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Next time just post the Longhorn tweet then. Nobody wants to watch some random person spout off for 7 minutes based other people's rumours, especially when they include CPU-Monkey.
Well, I wanted and so did 20 000 others. I never share a random person's info if they don't have believable sources. He shows the tweet himself after just 9 seconds in the video. So if you wanted you could check it yourself instead of wasting 7 min. The brief mention of CPUmonkey comes later so I don't understand the criticism. I usually post the first source no matter who they refer to. I got the info from that video and it's not more than fair to give him some credit. So instead of looking around for his sources and the different tweets by Longhorn I chose to listen to his summary where he also explains the letters in the code names. It takes only a few seconds to fast-forward the video and just watch the interesting parts. Of course I briefly checked the tweets and the article by Tomshardware to verify.
 
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Homy

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I watched the whole video. Thats why I said what I said. The video is useless but thanks for sharing the tweet. That is good value here. :)

So you rather give revenue to Linus Tech Tips instead of supporting minor channels? There are a lot of "News" channels that summarize leaks and rumors from different sources so people don't have to check everything so I don't agree that the video is useless. He shows the tweet himself as the main source after just 9 seconds in the video. So if you wanted you could check it yourself. The brief mention of CPUmonkey comes later so I don't understand the criticism.
 
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fuchsdh

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Those aren’t limits. Why do people keep saying that? The tech specs literally say the base configuration can be upgraded to 16 GB RAM and 1 TB SSD, And the higher models up to 2 TB.
They're limits in that if you don't order it that way, it's locked into that configuration, and the reality of the base-model anything is that there are going to be volume purchases of that SKU.
 

CWallace

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They're limits in that if you don't order it that way, it's locked into that configuration, and the reality of the base-model anything is that there are going to be volume purchases of that SKU.

Fair enough, but it's been that way for a fair number of Macs for a fair number of years now. I believe for a time even the 21.5" went to soldered RAM and when it wasn't soldered, you had to remove the front glass to get to it (like the 27" iMac Pro) so few owners were going to go through that trouble (either themselves or paying a third party).

It's possible we might see user-installable RAM in the "iMac Pro" and the M-series Mac Pro just to allow for massive memory sizes that cannot currently be achieved with LPDDR4 capacities.
 

Paratriplel

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Nobody wants to watch some random person spout off for 7 minutes based other people's rumours, especially when they include CPU-Monkey.
Actually I kind of enjoyed the video and really appreciate the fact it didn’t have any commercial in the middle of the video. Even though I think I might have found some part a bit messy (at least I thought something might have been said backwards or maybe I might remembering it wrong now and Actually I was the one who thought about it backwards).
I think it’s nice that there actually was someone new putting out a video talking about this topic instead of the usual gang (which I really like to watch) but why would it be such a bad thing to make someone some revenue when you they’re trying to create and share quality content? If only people could stop being so harsh against each other and let people try to peruse their dreams maybe actually more people would dare to do so.
Peoples hostilities against the video might not have to do with the fact he wasn’t the typical white guy? Haha sorry I had to throw that one at ya because I never had the chance of actually being be idiot politically correct dude. *strikes that one of my bucket list”.

No bit seriously, why do people have issues with this guys video? It’s not like Rene Ritchie and Max Tech’s hasn’t brought CPU-Monkey in their videos and none forces you to watch the video so what’s the issue about Homy posting it in this thread? Is it only “the right kind of content creator” that can make a video about stupid Mac rumors? In that case what’s that kind?

I love Rene and Max but they have their own style and which works great for them but what exactly is your issue with this guy? Im honestly asking.
I actually subscribed to his channel fatter the video and watched a few more of his videos because it was through his video I first heard about this and besides he seems like a new prominent channel and also talked great clear and easy to understand English. If your time is so precious that you can’t watch 5-7 minutes it’s of course your call but please don’t speak for all followers of this thread regarding “nobody wants to watch a random person...” because at least one did.

Not trying to offend anyone here I just ****ing hard people pissing on each other on the internet. Everyone likes different stuff and this guy obviously is trying to work hard to create Apple related content for YouTube and I’d say on my list he’s at the top5 Youtuber’s focusing on Apple related content and I wouldn’t have found him unless Homy posted the video.
 
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EugW

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^^^ If you're going to post something like that, at least post a time stamp with the relevant info, instead of making people sift through junk, if you already know there is junk there. The forum members here can still choose to watch the whole thing if they want.
 

Paratriplel

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Next time, share the tweet and thats all we need. The youtube was pointless as the guy was just filling time to get his money. :)
Have you thought about that not everyone uses twitter? Maybe most of us hear new rumors through this site or YouTube channels posting about them.
Well if you feel that people shouldn’t be able to make money of off YouTube and don’t want to contribute to it or whatever your point is, then I assume you don’t watch the other guys such as Rene, Max, Marcus etc?... if you do, then why this thing against this dude whatever his name was that Homy linked in this thread (what makes you want to contribute to their channels but not this guy? What’s different except they earn a whole lot of more cash from their videos?).
 
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EugW

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Have you thought about that not everyone uses twitter? Maybe most of us hear new rumors through this site or YouTube channels posting about them.
You don't have a twitter account to read tweets. I don't have a twitter account. Also, the forum automatically inserts tweets in posts when you post the URL.
 
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