Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

[Freida]

Oh please no. Transition 2 years - July 2020 to July 2022 (so no end of 2022)

Secondly, iMac 24" just got out and as soon as chips are ready for 16" MBP then that will be the same category is the bigger iMac so Apple will release those also.

Thinking that we won't see the bigger iMac this year is a little naive (sorry, I'm already agitated today )

Next year WWDC will most likely be Mac Pro but in all fairness, I think Apple will want to be ahead rather than on time.

But its a safe bet that WWDC 2022 will be the last product if anything.

Will a 30+" iMac Pro arrive in 2021?

If had to choose Yes or No right now...I would say, No.

Here's why:

- Apple has announced a 2-year transition to Apple Silicon.
- It took Apple 6 months from the release of the initial batch of low-end Apple Silicon Macs to release the next (and probably last) new Mac with the same M1 they had 6 months ago.
- As the second half of 2021 approaches and the low end Macs are out of the way, Apple's next step with Apple Silicon will be with their most popular Pro machines: the (soon to be) 14" MacBook Pro and 16" MacBook Pro.
- The new MBP's are not expected until the fall, and it is very unlikely to me that any such iMac Pro would be ready any sooner.
- I presume we'll see the iMac Pro launch around this same time next year (2022). And the final Apple Silicon Mac Pro at the end of 2022, completing the 2 year transition exactly on schedule.

As much as it pains me to think we have to wait that long for a proper large screen Apple Mac with Apple Silicon, I would not bet a single dollar on it coming before then.

 

[Freida]

Here is the problem. Most of us are busy or we value time, right? We can mostly agree on that.

So just like articles that have a lot of text and they come up with TLDR; section (which is respectful and good practice to readers) then why not do the same with this one? Sure, this was only 7 mins but what if it was 30 mins and it would still be the same info -> ie. one tweet and then 29mins of fluff?

We come here to read something new, something interesting and when someone posts a video we tend to believe that its a good one as most people here are tech savvy. Unless someone posts Prosser (that guy is a jerk) etc. then most likely we will watch it, right?

So, why not be nice and say - hey, this video is only about the tweet at the beginning but maybe someone will find the fluff interesting later on

Or do you recommend to your friends a movie without telling them a bit about it? Hey watch this!
Or.....hey, watch 'Pieces of a woman' because its nicely done and shows great struggle for a mum in a dead a relationship. Which one do you think will work better?

There is nothing wrong with giving more info. "New leakS" is so vague and the video didn't really have "S" in it.
It was just one tweet.

So this is why this whole convo started!

Wise words Homy. And to others please read carefully and calm (ops more posts posted I was referring to the post above but it’s not like I’m not agreeing with the one above, just clarifying).
Maybe see a point or two in his post. He’s not attacking you but explaining the kind of absurd thing that he should summarize a video while none else has had to or even been asked to do so when they’ve posted videos.
I mean. Is his time less valuable than yours? He at least took the time to post the video and it’s up to anyone to watch it I’d they want to. If you don’t want to and still want to know if there’s anything interesting in it maybe just kindly if someone that actually watched it can do so. I’m sure we’re plenty!

Sadly (not really... haha) this became a bit heated but we’re all friends right?

It’s hard to know what people have seen and read and those that doesn’t visit this thread regularly on a daily bases probably don’t know what leaks and news have came out.
I watched a few seconds of the video again just now and I won’t get any ads until the end so I’d say this is not the regular clickbait you were talking about.
But well that’s just my thoughts about it.

I most of all felt quite sorry for the guy that made the video. He seems sincere in my eyes and I’d he reads on this forum I’d hate for him to read about his work being “junk” because it really isn’t objectively. Maybe you that feel that are wasting to much time on these sites and forums (I’m guessing more then those 10 min that the video is seen in) and therefore maybe you’re not seeing this is a guy working hard trying to make good content (probably with the hopes of making some money in this in the future but is ready to put in the work).
I’m also sad to hear Homy that you’ve gotten this criticism before because posting topic related videos (unlike a large chunk of the last couple of posts, me included of course) shouldn’t be attacked the way you were.
Anyway I hope we can move on and really soon get some exciting news on new Macs! Guys/girls, you know the things which brought us all together albeit being different people living in different parts of the world to this forum.
Maybe it’s time for us to sing We Shall Overcome now?!

 

[CWallace]

I didn't watch the video, but I bet I have spent more time reading all the carping about it then I would have spent watching the bloody thing.

 

[EugW]

Personally, I'd be surprised if the bigger iMacs do not come out this year. I think 2022 is for the Mac Pro, while late 2021 is for the 29-32" iMac and MacBook Pros.

I firmly believe the chin is there on the 24" because it needs to be - to support the logic board, to help with cooling, to allow the speakers to perform better, a mix of reasons, whathaveyou.

I agree. Apple was perfectly pleased with itself releasing Cinema Displays without the chin, so it's not because Apple thinks chins look awesome.

Speaking of which... My USB-C to dual-link DVI adapter arrives today, so hopefully it should work with my ancient 30" Cinema HD Display. If it does, for the time being I'd rather get a Mac mini to play around with (maybe at the next iteration) rather than a new 24" M1 iMac.

Either way though, my 2017 Core i5 iMac with 24 GB RAM will suffice for now as my main machine in any case.

 

[Freida]

That would be interesting to see but I feel that we might not get there. I think it would make sense for Apple to simplify the line as before with Intel the Pro got XEON and ECC memory etc. which made sense. Now, that we don't need all that would we really differentiate it with just the screen size? Also, what would be the message from Apple?
If we are meant to believe that Mac Pro Mini is coming and possibly Consumer display then why have iMac 27 and iMac Pro 32? I think what would make more sense is to just merge them together.
However, having said that. I could see scenario where they release iMac Pro (just like iPad Pro) and it will be in 2 sizes. 27 and 32 where the 32 will have the XDR whilst 27 would have miniled screen as you proposed.
All the customisation etc. could be the same and maybe like current 27" the higher model would allow a bit more.

It could maybe work but on the other hand why would Apple bother. I think having 2 would probably make more sense. 24 entry low end + 32 mid to high end. (all down to CTO options)

Maybe?

I am also wondering if we will see both a new 27" 5K iMac and then the 32" 6K Liquid Retina XDR iMac Pro. MCK said Apple was sourcing a 27" 5K MiniLED panel in early 2020 and releasing a new 27" iMac would allow Apple to have a larger Mac starting at $1999 and then they could put the expensive Liquid Retina XDR 32" 6K display into the iMac Pro and start at $2999 or higher to cover that cost.

 

[CWallace]

I follow your logic, Freida.

What is driving all my speculation is the concern - if not fear - that the rumored 32" 6K display will be so expensive to Apple that it will mean the iMac that has it will have to be a fair bit more expensive than the current iMac 5K.

I don't think Apple wants a $1000 to $2000 price gap between the 24" and the 32" (if that is what adding a 32" 6K display would add to the price over the current iMac 5K).

Then again, if this rumored 27" MiniLED panel does exist and is destined for an Apple product, could it be the panel for the new Thunderbolt Display? Something that bridges the gap between the 24" of the iMac and the 32" of the iMac Pro / Pro Display XDR?

The last Cinema Display and last Thunderbolt Display were both 27" and 5K is a differentiator from all the third-party displays out there. And coupled with a "Mac mini Pro", it could serve as a viable replacement for the iMac 5K if Apple caps the iMac at 24" and then releases an expensive iMac Pro 6K.

 

[Lemon Olive]

Apple did not need the two full years to complete the PowerPC to Intel transition and with Apple Silicon, they own the IP.

And I believe the 24" iMac was meant to release earlier than it did based on all the rumors and leaks. I believe supply chain issues with something other than the M1 was what delayed the release - my guess is the case or the 4.5K display.

We know the 14" and 16" MBP are happening as we have (leaked) official Quanta production documents to that effect. It is unlikely these will have the current M1 SoCs, but if they do, then again, it would be supply-chain issues with other components that delayed them to whenever they come out. If they have a more powerful ("M1X") or newer-generation M-series ("M2") SoC , then we know it was that which has been holding them up.

We know A15 arrives in September or October because it has to for iPhone 13. And we can be pretty sure that the next M-series SoC will be based on the A15 so it should be ready at the same time. I am assuming the A15 / "M2" will be on the existing 5nm process so production volume should not be an issue and TSMC should be able to pump out a million M2 to support the MacBook Pros, "Mac mini Pros" and "iMac Pro" in addition to the tens of millions of A15 they will be making for the iPhone. And if we see yet another scaled iPhone release (non-Pro models first, then the Pros) that is even more fab capacity for the M2.

I'm starting to believe we will not see an "M1X" and instead we will see "M2" as the SoC for the new MacBook Pros, "Mac mini Pros" and "iMac Pro". We might see a teaser for these at WWDC with availability later in the year, or they will just talk about the A15 and M2 at WWDC and we will wait for the Fall for the products to be formally announced.

Yeah it will be interesting to see if Apple sees fit to release annual updates to Apple Silicon Macs since they (presumably) will have a chip for them. Nothing really stops them from updating last year's M1 products with an M2 as soon as it is widely available, even if it is the only change.

It is yet to be understood whether the first Pro machines will have an M1X, M2 or even M2X. It will obviously depend on Apple's architecture plans.

I don't expect any hardware teases at all at WWDC, since Apple seems to think "Apple Silicon" in general is enough to be excited about. I expect the emphasis for Mac to be developers bringing iOS apps to the Mac, and Mac apps to the iPad.

iMac Pro and Mac mini Pro...I think they will run next gen Apple Silicon, and while I hope we see them inside of 2021, I absolutely believe we won't.

Also, I'm well aware that with the Intel transition Apple under promised and over delivered, and I also can't think of a single time since when they've done that. Not under this leadership.

 

[fuchsdh]

I firmly believe the chin is there on the 24" because it needs to be - to support the logic board, to help with cooling, to allow the speakers to perform better, a mix of reasons, whathaveyou.

If the "Big Brother" iMac / iMac Pro goes with soldered on-package RAM (in larger available capacities) then I believe we will also see a chin. If they go with user-accessible off-package RAM, then they would have to make the case thicker to allow for that and then I could see them possibly not having a chin because they would have the case depth necessary to support the logic board, speakers and on-board AC / DC power conversion.

I am also wondering if we will see both a new 27" 5K iMac and then the 32" 6K Liquid Retina XDR iMac Pro. MCK said Apple was sourcing a 27" 5K MiniLED panel in early 2020 and releasing a new 27" iMac would allow Apple to have a larger Mac starting at $1999 and then they could put the expensive Liquid Retina XDR 32" 6K display into the iMac Pro and start at $2999 or higher to cover that cost.




I believe Rene is doing these as "compilation videos" for all the leaks released that week and his intended audience is for folks who don't scour MacRumors (and other sites) for these leaks.

If they're interested in doing a much more bifurcated product than the previous models (where you were mostly choosing size only*) than it's tough to say.

I do think the chin was intentional in a lot of ways beyond just "hey let's make it super thin, now we have to stick the guts somewhere else". It is the identity of the iMac and has been for 15+ years now. It's the only good place to put color that the user (versus everyone else) can see besides making the bezel itself colorful (which I hope that even people who hate the white bezel can see would be definitely worse.)

Even if you make the iMac (pro?) thicker, the chin provides a lot of useful room to do stuff with, and while it remains to be seen what Apple's AS high-end Macs are gonna look like, its room that could be put to an end. The iMac Pro was the shape it was because they reused as much as they could of another product; the release of just new 24" iMacs suggests that there will be more distinction with the coming models than that, but we're in new territory.

In short: I could see it being thicker (although still super thin overall) and still having a chin. And really if it's very performant, and especially if it brings back stuff like user-accessible RAM, most people would get over that real quick.

*That never _totally_ held, and towards the end of the Intel era you basically were paying more to have a less capable, smaller product, but in general you were still getting the major selection of component options the same.

 

[Lemon Olive]

Thinking that we won't see the bigger iMac this year is a little naive (sorry, I'm already agitated today )

Thinking we will see it this year is what is naive. You need to follow rumors and patterns more closely if you're going to make claims like this.

If a 30" iMac were even on the near horizon at all, we would have heard a lot more about it by now. Just like we did the 24" iMac ad nauseam before its release. Just like we've heard about 14 and 16 inch MacBook Pro for nearly a year.

 

[Paratriplel]

Here is the problem. Most of us are busy or we value time, right? We can mostly agree on that.

So just like articles that have a lot of text and they come up with TLDR; section (which is respectful and good practice to readers) then why not do the same with this one? Sure, this was only 7 mins but what if it was 30 mins and it would still be the same info -> ie. one tweet and then 29mins of fluff?

We come here to read something new, something interesting and when someone posts a video we tend to believe that its a good one as most people here are tech savvy. Unless someone posts Prosser (that guy is a jerk) etc. then most likely we will watch it, right?

So, why not be nice and say - hey, this video is only about the tweet at the beginning but maybe someone will find the fluff interesting later on

Or do you recommend to your friends a movie without telling them a bit about it? Hey watch this!
Or.....hey, watch 'Pieces of a woman' because its nicely done and shows great struggle for a mum in a dead a relationship. Which one do you think will work better?

There is nothing wrong with giving more info. "New leakS" is so vague and the video didn't really have "S" in it.
It was just one tweet.

So this is why this whole convo started!

I’m not against that. Just saying it’s weird people complained about this one window at least for me it was news with the tweet at the beginning and even some more about the chips naming etc.

But as I said maybe the person posting it is having a busy day or whatever. It’s a bit weird to demand that someone should offer more info about something just because he shares an on topic related video. As long as no rules are set and applies for everyone I just think this is kind of silly. And I also want to say it is okay to back of and say “maybe I did react a but too harsh and it was hide or you to share the video even though it wasn’t really much news to me”.. I mean everyone makes mistake (I should know!).

About the examples you said, I honestly do not tell people about the story unless they specifically asks me to and none ever does because I can be so detailed none wants to listen to me talking out a full movie (I actually rarely watch movies though. I’m more of a Tv-series guy). When I watch trailers I don’t need anyone telling me the story before watching trailers but of course it’s a bigger chance of me actually watching a trailer if I read some plot text and see it seems interesting but it’s my loss if I don’t watch it and I’ve also watched a whole lot of ****** trailers and it’s time I wasted and never get back but I get over it the second I stop watching it.

I actually still doesn’t understand why you feel this way about the video he posted it has a lot more interesting info than I’ve seen in Rene’s videos or any of the others and I feel it was well made to a large degree but I guess I also like both reading and watching videos about Apple related rumors and stuff and not just need to get new stuff served to me every single time and I also know it’s not something i can demand from either you guys at macrumors or YouTubers.
I don’t know you very well even though I’ve read lots of great posts from you before but I kind of feel Homy was a bit right about you might not being able to see stuff from the other guys perspective and maybe just see your own because it kind of looks like that but I might be off about it. I usually are great at other people’s perspective and setting me up to how someone feels and argue with arguments but in this case I really can’t because I only come to the conclusion Homy said something about spoiled kid that never got told he/she was wrong. Though it’s not what I’ve felt about you before just slightly when you argued with that guy in here regarding hardware software at WWDC (username something like automaticA...?) and now today in this thread so it’s probably not correct. Anyway I’ve already dropped this and I’m so tired just wanted to write one last reply.

I see things as Homy did a nice thing posting that video and I would be so rude and appear so spoiled telling him that it was just trash and that he should have spent a couple of minutes searching for the source on Twitter (when he might not ever have used twitter, like myself, though I tried but wasn’t for me... as you can imagine I had a hard time getting my test to fit into those 127 characters. Haha) and then posting it here instead of sharing a well made video which had either no or almost no ads in it or sit here writing some sort of table or content to the video which he did not create but just shared because he thought people would be interested.
then you come and tell him none wants to watch it and it’s garbage etc but I liked it and learned some new stuff from it and even if most people here are tech savvy and might know these stuff before any video there are a lot of people reading here but never posting. Some of them could probably have use for it.
I mean just listen to yourself. “I this and I that and because I this this means that”, we often have to base stuff in who we are but come on. He was just trying to be nice and share something he discovered!

Anyway not trying to be mean or disrespectful just wanted to explain how it is perceived from my viewpoint to attack someone regarding this.
I do however want to make clear I don’t mind you and I like reading your posts, just had to come to this guys rescue because it didn’t seem fair to me. Anyway let’s put this behind ourselves, I’ll of course read whatever you write if you want the last word about it but don’t think I’ll reply.

I don’t believe I’ll be changing my mind but of course a summary or some description of what’s said in the video could be useful for some people, myself I rather be surprised and not spoiled and then after watching the video, reading the following comments about the video/link/rumor. But that’s just me and I understand the world won’t change because of me to please me, not even if it doesn’t mean any sacrifices at all.
So I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree and that’s just fine! Sorry for all the off topic this has gone.

 

[Homy]

Here is the problem. Most of us are busy or we value time, right? We can mostly agree on that.

So just like articles that have a lot of text and they come up with TLDR; section (which is respectful and good practice to readers) then why not do the same with this one? Sure, this was only 7 mins but what if it was 30 mins and it would still be the same info -> ie. one tweet and then 29mins of fluff?

We come here to read something new, something interesting and when someone posts a video we tend to believe that its a good one as most people here are tech savvy. Unless someone posts Prosser (that guy is a jerk) etc. then most likely we will watch it, right?

So, why not be nice and say - hey, this video is only about the tweet at the beginning but maybe someone will find the fluff interesting later on

Or do you recommend to your friends a movie without telling them a bit about it? Hey watch this!
Or.....hey, watch 'Pieces of a woman' because its nicely done and shows great struggle for a mum in a dead a relationship. Which one do you think will work better?

There is nothing wrong with giving more info. "New leakS" is so vague and the video didn't really have "S" in it.
It was just one tweet.

So this is why this whole convo started!

So now you have come to the conclusion that I’m not a nice guy who posts junk videos ”wasting everyone’s time” on this site?

I think I used to remember you as a reasonable person but in this discussion I think you’ve just lost your touch with reality. You are acting selfish and unreasonable with unrealistic expectations caring only for your own time and needs.

It’s astonishing but mostly sad to see how far people like you and EugW will go to justify their own faults and to put the blame on others instead of just accepting their mistakes and move on; all of this just to spare a few seconds or minutes while you are more than willing to spend hours to discuss and pointing out other people's ”mistakes”.

Since you already know every rumor and ”old news” and don’t mind to keep this thread offline let’s look at some of your statements again since you seem to lack understanding for my previous answers.

”Most of us are busy or we value time”.
I don’t owe you or anyone else here anything and have also low expectations in return. My time is as valuable as yours. You are asking me to ”waste” my time to save your and other people's time when instead you and others should put that responsibility on yourselves. Not valuing my time as much as yours is hypocritical.

”Sure, this was only 7 mins but what if it was 30 mins and it would still be the same info.”
Your comparison is simply irrelevant. The video was not 30 min and didn’t need any summary or introduction from me for several reasons said below. Yet I did write ”New Leaks” . If you don’t like leaks and rumors don’t watch!

”"New leakS" is so vague”.
The video title clearly says ”M1X/M2 MacBook Pro + iMac Leaks - MacOS Beta Hints At FOUR New Apple Silicon Chips For Future Macs”! So does the thumbnail. Still not interesting? Don’t watch then!

”the video didn't really have "S" (leaks) in it. It was just one tweet”.
The tweet is about 4 different CPUs, their codenames and their meanings, hence ”leaks”. Don’t be a nitpicker!

”So, why not be nice and say - hey, this video is only about the tweet at the beginning but maybe someone will find the fluff interesting later on”.
That’s just plain lazy. The guy shows and tells about the tweet after just 4 seconds from the start. 4 seconds for god’s sake! There are 16 timestamps all over the video with clear titles, including quick ”intro” about the whole video and tweet, ”overview” and breakdown of every named detail, all about the first tweet. You can see right from the start that the entire video is about the first tweet. You can easily jump to the next section and save some precious seconds or minutes or just don’t watch it if you recognize the titles. Yet you seem to be just too lazy or selfish to do so or to read.

”We come here to read something new, something interesting”
Yeah and that tweet and video was new and interesting to me and others. How on earth could I know that it was old news to you and people like you? Do you want me to ask every member here first if they have seen the video or heard the news before I post such links every time? How come you’re the only one who thinks it’s old news? Like I already said not everything here circles around you, your time and your opinion about what is old or new or boring or exiting. If you can’t judge by all the information available in the video thumbnail, title, description and time stamps that the video is worth watching then don’t watch it or do it at your own risk. Stop blaming people around you for your eagerness and later disappointment.

”do you recommend to your friends a movie without telling them a bit about it? Hey watch this!”
Yes I do because I don’t want to spoil the movie. I don’t want to hear the plot eihter myself, but again your comparison is wrong. This wasn’t a two hour long feature film. That description you’re talking about can also be found online if you rent a digital movie or on the cover of every physical disc, just like this video which has both description and time stamps and a ”summary” right at the start.

Finally if you and others are so ”nice” and caring there is nothing that stops you from doing what you ask me yourselves. It’s pathetic to see EugW first saying ”I didn't even bother watching that vid” and later whining about ”at least post a time stamp with the relevant info, instead of making people sift through junk” when the video already has 16 timestamps but the person missed to see because they didn’t ”bother” to watch. I guess some people are better at lecturing others than learning themselves. You say you watched the whole video and yet I don’t see you write a summary about it. I guess your time is more valuable than mine as you have clearly indicated; And saying ”Sorry for the reaction but I feel its justified” just means you’re not sorry and done nothing wrong.

I’m not going to waste anymore time on this hypocritical discussion and warn you to never watch or read any of my links again for everyone’s sake. Then we don’t have to waste each other’s time, make the thread off topic and create bad mood.

 

[AutomaticApple]

I most of all felt quite sorry for the guy that made the video. He seems sincere in my eyes and I’d he reads on this forum I’d hate for him to read about his work being “junk” because it really isn’t objectively.

Well, let's see what he thinks. His username is @vadimyuryev on MacRumors.

 

[UltimateSyn]

Thinking we will see it this year is what is naive. You need to follow rumors and patterns more closely if you're going to make claims like this.

If a 30" iMac were even on the near horizon at all, we would have heard a lot more about it by now. Just like we did the 24" iMac ad nauseam before its release. Just like we've heard about 14 and 16 inch MacBook Pro for nearly a year.

C’mon, LO, you were just dead wrong about the AirTags after claiming with the utmost certainty that they were not a real product using your “logical deduction.” Are you really going to call someone else naive for thinking there’s gonna be a big iMac this year? - there have been PLENTY of rumors to support that. There are seven months left in the year, which leaves a ton of time for even more rumors to ramp up as it becomes more imminent.

 

[Freida]

Actually I have. Plenty of rumours about the bigger iMac coming later this year.

Thinking we will see it this year is what is naive. You need to follow rumors and patterns more closely if you're going to make claims like this.

If a 30" iMac were even on the near horizon at all, we would have heard a lot more about it by now. Just like we did the 24" iMac ad nauseam before its release. Just like we've heard about 14 and 16 inch MacBook Pro for nearly a year.

 

[Freida]

You are right, I'm sorry. I have nothing against Homy btw, but I'll address him below. This got out of hands so I'm sorry for the drama

I’m not against that. Just saying it’s weird people complained about this one window at least for me it was news with the tweet at the beginning and even some more about the chips naming etc.

But as I said maybe the person posting it is having a busy day or whatever. It’s a bit weird to demand that someone should offer more info about something just because he shares an on topic related video. As long as no rules are set and applies for everyone I just think this is kind of silly. And I also want to say it is okay to back of and say “maybe I did react a but too harsh and it was hide or you to share the video even though it wasn’t really much news to me”.. I mean everyone makes mistake (I should know!).

About the examples you said, I honestly do not tell people about the story unless they specifically asks me to and none ever does because I can be so detailed none wants to listen to me talking out a full movie (I actually rarely watch movies though. I’m more of a Tv-series guy). When I watch trailers I don’t need anyone telling me the story before watching trailers but of course it’s a bigger chance of me actually watching a trailer if I read some plot text and see it seems interesting but it’s my loss if I don’t watch it and I’ve also watched a whole lot of ****** trailers and it’s time I wasted and never get back but I get over it the second I stop watching it.

I actually still doesn’t understand why you feel this way about the video he posted it has a lot more interesting info than I’ve seen in Rene’s videos or any of the others and I feel it was well made to a large degree but I guess I also like both reading and watching videos about Apple related rumors and stuff and not just need to get new stuff served to me every single time and I also know it’s not something i can demand from either you guys at macrumors or YouTubers.
I don’t know you very well even though I’ve read lots of great posts from you before but I kind of feel Homy was a bit right about you might not being able to see stuff from the other guys perspective and maybe just see your own because it kind of looks like that but I might be off about it. I usually are great at other people’s perspective and setting me up to how someone feels and argue with arguments but in this case I really can’t because I only come to the conclusion Homy said something about spoiled kid that never got told he/she was wrong. Though it’s not what I’ve felt about you before just slightly when you argued with that guy in here regarding hardware software at WWDC (username something like automaticA...?) and now today in this thread so it’s probably not correct. Anyway I’ve already dropped this and I’m so tired just wanted to write one last reply.

I see things as Homy did a nice thing posting that video and I would be so rude and appear so spoiled telling him that it was just trash and that he should have spent a couple of minutes searching for the source on Twitter (when he might not ever have used twitter, like myself, though I tried but wasn’t for me... as you can imagine I had a hard time getting my test to fit into those 127 characters. Haha) and then posting it here instead of sharing a well made video which had either no or almost no ads in it or sit here writing some sort of table or content to the video which he did not create but just shared because he thought people would be interested.
then you come and tell him none wants to watch it and it’s garbage etc but I liked it and learned some new stuff from it and even if most people here are tech savvy and might know these stuff before any video there are a lot of people reading here but never posting. Some of them could probably have use for it.
I mean just listen to yourself. “I this and I that and because I this this means that”, we often have to base stuff in who we are but come on. He was just trying to be nice and share something he discovered!

Anyway not trying to be mean or disrespectful just wanted to explain how it is perceived from my viewpoint to attack someone regarding this.
I do however want to make clear I don’t mind you and I like reading your posts, just had to come to this guys rescue because it didn’t seem fair to me. Anyway let’s put this behind ourselves, I’ll of course read whatever you write if you want the last word about it but don’t think I’ll reply.

I don’t believe I’ll be changing my mind but of course a summary or some description of what’s said in the video could be useful for some people, myself I rather be surprised and not spoiled and then after watching the video, reading the following comments about the video/link/rumor. But that’s just me and I understand the world won’t change because of me to please me, not even if it doesn’t mean any sacrifices at all.
So I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree and that’s just fine! Sorry for all the off topic this has gone.

 

[Freida]

Homy, my friend, I'm sorry. I truly am. Reading your post made me realise how much was misunderstood and how badly things got out. I thought about it last night and I think you guys raised an interesting point so I spent some time on it.
Here is what happened:

Over the weekend I tried to look for videos on youtube about Apple stuff (and Tesla) only to find out that each video tricked me and I got nothing. Then yesterday, I got excited when you posted yours as I was like 'Yeah, finally some good stuff' - only to find out that it was about a tweet and nothing else. I think that triggered me to overreact a bit which I'm sorry for.

Your analysing below made me realise how it is all a misunderstanding. I won't go point by point or anything like that (if you care you can ask later but I would like to resolve this if possible ;-) ).
I didn't mean (or think) that my time is more valuable than yours or didn't mean to imply that. I'm not a bitch. I was talking in general and I guess I didn't express it correctly.

Anyway, I'm sorry again. You guys took the time to 'fix' it and I really appreciate that. I'll try to be better next time.

Would you accept my apology, please?

So now you have come to the conclusion that I’m not a nice guy who posts junk videos ”wasting everyone’s time” on this site?

I think I used to remember you as a reasonable person but in this discussion I think you’ve just lost your touch with reality. You are acting selfish and unreasonable with unrealistic expectations caring only for your own time and needs.

It’s astonishing but mostly sad to see how far people like you and EugW will go to justify their own faults and to put the blame on others instead of just accepting their mistakes and move on; all of this just to spare a few seconds or minutes while you are more than willing to spend hours to discuss and pointing out other people's ”mistakes”.

Since you already know every rumor and ”old news” and don’t mind to keep this thread offline let’s look at some of your statements again since you seem to lack understanding for my previous answers.

”Most of us are busy or we value time”.
I don’t owe you or anyone else here anything and have also low expectations in return. My time is as valuable as yours. You are asking me to ”waste” my time to save your and other people's time when instead you and others should put that responsibility on yourselves. Not valuing my time as much as yours is hypocritical.

”Sure, this was only 7 mins but what if it was 30 mins and it would still be the same info.”
Your comparison is simply irrelevant. The video was not 30 min and didn’t need any summary or introduction from me for several reasons said below. Yet I did write ”New Leaks” . If you don’t like leaks and rumors don’t watch!

”"New leakS" is so vague”.
The video title clearly says ”M1X/M2 MacBook Pro + iMac Leaks - MacOS Beta Hints At FOUR New Apple Silicon Chips For Future Macs”! So does the thumbnail. Still not interesting? Don’t watch then!

”the video didn't really have "S" (leaks) in it. It was just one tweet”.
The tweet is about 4 different CPUs, their codenames and their meanings, hence ”leaks”. Don’t be a nitpicker!

”So, why not be nice and say - hey, this video is only about the tweet at the beginning but maybe someone will find the fluff interesting later on”.
That’s just plain lazy. The guy shows and tells about the tweet after just 4 seconds from the start. 4 seconds for god’s sake! There are 16 timestamps all over the video with clear titles, including quick ”intro” about the whole video and tweet, ”overview” and breakdown of every named detail, all about the first tweet. You can see right from the start that the entire video is about the first tweet. You can easily jump to the next section and save some precious seconds or minutes or just don’t watch it if you recognize the titles. Yet you seem to be just too lazy or selfish to do so or to read.

”We come here to read something new, something interesting”
Yeah and that tweet and video was new and interesting to me and others. How on earth could I know that it was old news to you and people like you? Do you want me to ask every member here first if they have seen the video or heard the news before I post such links every time? How come you’re the only one who thinks it’s old news? Like I already said not everything here circles around you, your time and your opinion about what is old or new or boring or exiting. If you can’t judge by all the information available in the video thumbnail, title, description and time stamps that the video is worth watching then don’t watch it or do it at your own risk. Stop blaming people around you for your eagerness and later disappointment.

”do you recommend to your friends a movie without telling them a bit about it? Hey watch this!”
Yes I do because I don’t want to spoil the movie. I don’t want to hear the plot eihter myself, but again your comparison is wrong. This wasn’t a two hour long feature film. That description you’re talking about can also be found online if you rent a digital movie or on the cover of every physical disc, just like this video which has both description and time stamps and a ”summary” right at the start.

Finally if you and others are so ”nice” and caring there is nothing that stops you from doing what you ask me yourselves. It’s pathetic to see EugW first saying ”I didn't even bother watching that vid” and later whining about ”at least post a time stamp with the relevant info, instead of making people sift through junk” when the video already has 16 timestamps but the person missed to see because they didn’t ”bother” to watch. I guess some people are better at lecturing others than learning themselves. You say you watched the whole video and yet I don’t see you write a summary about it. I guess your time is more valuable than mine as you have clearly indicated; And saying ”Sorry for the reaction but I feel its justified” just means you’re not sorry and done nothing wrong.

I’m not going to waste anymore time on this hypocritical discussion and warn you to never watch or read any of my links again for everyone’s sake. Then we don’t have to waste each other’s time, make the thread off topic and create bad mood.

 

[Freida]

I'm with you on the concern/fear. XDR will put the price up but maybe it won't be that much. On the other hand, having lineup 24, 27 & 32 would not be as bad as most people could pick the right size.
I would go with performance though if the price is right. Otherwise, 27 would suffice too.
Seeing that M2 just entered production for it to be ready in few months I think we are on track to maybe skip M1X and go straight to M2?
How would they go about the GPU though?
I don't know but this GPU thing is so mystical that I really think we get some sort of reveal for it at WWDC.

I follow your logic, Freida.

What is driving all my speculation is the concern - if not fear - that the rumored 32" 6K display will be so expensive to Apple that it will mean the iMac that has it will have to be a fair bit more expensive than the current iMac 5K.

I don't think Apple wants a $1000 to $2000 price gap between the 24" and the 32" (if that is what adding a 32" 6K display would add to the price over the current iMac 5K).

Then again, if this rumored 27" MiniLED panel does exist and is destined for an Apple product, could it be the panel for the new Thunderbolt Display? Something that bridges the gap between the 24" of the iMac and the 32" of the iMac Pro / Pro Display XDR?

The last Cinema Display and last Thunderbolt Display were both 27" and 5K is a differentiator from all the third-party displays out there. And coupled with a "Mac mini Pro", it could serve as a viable replacement for the iMac 5K if Apple caps the iMac at 24" and then releases an expensive iMac Pro 6K.

 

[Lemon Olive]

C’mon, LO, you were just dead wrong about the AirTags after claiming with the utmost certainty that they were not a real product using your “logical deduction.” Are you really going to call someone else naive for thinking there’s gonna be a big iMac this year? - there have been PLENTY of rumors to support that. There are seven months left in the year, which leaves a ton of time for even more rumors to ramp up as it becomes more imminent.

Actually I literally said it was a real product, an in house product not destined for commercial release.

And feel free to point to all this evidence of a large iMac coming this year. Reliable leaker lovetodream mentioned that it exists. That's it. Not one rumor from Kuo or Bloomberg, no time table, nothing. Compare that to the 24" iMac and 14" and 16" MacBooks Pro...non stop rumors for a year.

 

[Lemon Olive]

Actually I have. Plenty of rumours about the bigger iMac coming later this year.

Provide them then. I know of 1. And none from any of the sources that matter.

 

[CWallace]

Seeing that M2 just entered production for it to be ready in few months I think we are on track to maybe skip M1X and go straight to M2?

I think this is now what is going to happen.

The new "Avalanche" high-performance core that the A15/M2 will use will be more powerful than the "Lightning" core in the A14/M1. So 8 "Avalanche" cores could match 12 "Lightning" cores which is what many of us thought M1X would have. It is also possible M2 could have more than 8 "Avalanche" cores if the GPU is moved off-chip to on-die like the memory on the M1 (see below).

How would they go about the GPU though?
I don't know but this GPU thing is so mystical that I really think we get some sort of reveal for it at WWDC.

Maybe we will finally get details on the rumored "Lifuka" GPU.

 

[Homy]

Homy, my friend, I'm sorry. I truly am. Reading your post made me realise how much was misunderstood and how badly things got out. I thought about it last night and I think you guys raised an interesting point so I spent some time on it.
Here is what happened:

Over the weekend I tried to look for videos on youtube about Apple stuff (and Tesla) only to find out that each video tricked me and I got nothing. Then yesterday, I got excited when you posted yours as I was like 'Yeah, finally some good stuff' - only to find out that it was about a tweet and nothing else. I think that triggered me to overreact a bit which I'm sorry for.

Your analysing below made me realise how it is all a misunderstanding. I won't go point by point or anything like that (if you care you can ask later but I would like to resolve this if possible ;-) ).
I didn't mean (or think) that my time is more valuable than yours or didn't mean to imply that. I'm not a bitch. I was talking in general and I guess I didn't express it correctly.

Anyway, I'm sorry again. You guys took the time to 'fix' it and I really appreciate that. I'll try to be better next time.

Would you accept my apology, please?

I wasn't going to reply any further on the subject but your apology sounds sincere so I accept it. I think I will spend less time here though since this is the second time it happens on this site and I don't have time to explain and discuss it every time. The whole site is about rumors and leaks that really don't matter until Apple actually launches some hard evidence and new products so we should always take everything with a grain of salt to not be disappointed. My opinion is that we all are adults capable of searching and finding relevant information by ourselves in the cyber jungle and should rely on our own judgment rather than ask others to deliver it to us. We all have different preferences and experiences and judge things differently so there is always a risk for disappointment and misunderstanding.

Anyway now that the M2 has entered mass production we can calm down and look forward to new Macs and in my case iMac M2 in the next 6 months.

Apple's 'M2' Next-Gen Mac Chip Enters Mass Production, Expected to Debut in Redesigned MacBooks Later This Year

Apple's custom next-generation Mac processor entered mass production this month, claims a new report today from Nikkei Asia. Tentatively dubbed...

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[Lemon Olive]

I think this is now what is going to happen.

The new "Avalanche" high-performance core that the A15/M2 will use will be more powerful than the "Lightning" core in the A14/M1. So 8 "Avalanche" cores could match 12 "Lightning" cores which is what many of us thought M1X would have. It is also possible M2 could have more than 8 "Avalanche" cores if the GPU is moved off-chip to on-die like the memory on the M1 (see below).




Maybe we will finally get details on the rumored "Lifuka" GPU.

Given this recent rumor, I think the M1 variant (M1X) is what is currently entering production, for summer (July-ish) product launch. But I think it is far more likely for the products we actually know are coming soon (the 14" an 16" MacBooks Pro).

 

[CWallace]

Given this recent rumor, I think the M1 variant (M1X) is what is currently entering production, for summer (July-ish) product launch. But I think it is far more likely for the products we actually know are coming soon (the 14" an 16" MacBooks Pro).

I guess we will see when they actually announce everything, since Apple Silicon is designed to be flexible and scalable.

But A15 has to also be in early production by now to prepare for September and the iPhone 13 so if they have A15 ready, why not use it as the foundation for M2 and get the performance of a higher-core count M1 without the power and heat penalties?

 

[blairh]

I'm really fascinated to see what the 27" redesign will look like. Other than a chin and no logo, I don't think it will resemble the 24" model one bit.

Question just becomes when at this point. WWCD? iPhone event? October event?

More importantly for me, I'd really like to see a new consumer level monitor under $2k in the 30"-32" range. Not a fan whatsoever of the options currently.

 

[Freida]

Sounds great. I was sincere, thank you.

Well, seeing that M1X was "invented" by rumours then perhaps there won't be M1X at all. Maybe Apple will just go for M1, M2, M3 etc. and the only differentiator could be the gpu "addons" that we still don't know how it will work.
You know, the magical Lifuka

I wasn't going to reply any further on the subject but your apology sounds sincere so I accept it. I think I will spend less time here though since this is the second time it happens on this site and I don't have time to explain and discuss it every time. The whole site is about rumors and leaks that really don't matter until Apple actually launches some hard evidence and new products so we should always take everything with a grain of salt to not be disappointed. My opinion is that we all are adults capable of searching and finding relevant information by ourselves in the cyber jungle and should rely on our own judgment rather than ask others to deliver it to us. We all have different preferences and experiences and judge things differently so there is always a risk for disappointment and misunderstanding.

Anyway now that the M2 has entered mass production we can calm down and look forward to new Macs and in my case iMac M2 in the next 6 months.

Apple's 'M2' Next-Gen Mac Chip Enters Mass Production, Expected to Debut in Redesigned MacBooks Later This Year

Apple's custom next-generation Mac processor entered mass production this month, claims a new report today from Nikkei Asia. Tentatively dubbed...

www.macrumors.com