For someone coming from a 27”, a smaller display is a definite deal breaker.
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Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?
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Unless the base price is over $2999, I intend to go with the "big brother" iMac even if it is over-powered for my needs.
But if it is more than $2999, then I am interested to see what the new Apple Thunderbolt Display looks like. If it is 27" 5K with MiniLED and $1499, then I might go that and a Mac mini or MacBook Air (though I want to wait for the MiniLED MacBook Air said to be coming in 2022).
But if it is more than $2999, then I am interested to see what the new Apple Thunderbolt Display looks like. If it is 27" 5K with MiniLED and $1499, then I might go that and a Mac mini or MacBook Air (though I want to wait for the MiniLED MacBook Air said to be coming in 2022).
On an aside that puts the Pro Display XDR in a really difficult place. I wonder if it will be discontinued or redesigned with mini LED as well, and if so how they justify the extra $thousands?
Even if they share the base panel, I can't see the iMac 6K offering the peak and/or sustained brightness of the Pro Display XDR. The XDR backlighting generates a lot of heat to offer that performance (hence why it has fans and the heat dissipation scallops) and while it does not have thousands of LEDS, it does have almost 600.
I expect the the 12.9" iPad Pro can match the XDR because it is a significantly smaller panel and the thousands of mini LEDs likely put out less heat than the larger standard LED clusters in the XDR. And I wonder if the iPad Pro can maintain those numbers over over 5-10 hours like the XDR can.
I would not be surprised if Apple moves the Pro Display XDR to mini LED if it can hit the same numbers (likely with the existing active cooling) and maybe Apple would be able to lower the price a bit.
Depends on what type of RAM they use.
If it is on-package like the M1, then not a chance since it will be soldered on. That being said, there may practical limits to how much memory they can add this way due to the memory module sizes (mostly 4GB and 8GB with 16/24/32GB starting to come online) or how many they can use (right now it is 2x4GB or 2x8GB).
If using off-package memory in a DIMM format doesn't impact performance, then it would be a(n easier) way for them to add large capacities (like 64/128/256GB) rather than trying to do it on-package or near-package.
And if they went that route, which model would you be getting?
I will be getting the biggest fanciest iMac I can despite having no business doing so.
Listening to the 6 Colors Podcast and Jason Snell and Dan Moren brought up an interesting wrinkle...
If the MBP 14/16 and iMac Pro launch with the M1X and then the 2022 MacBook Air and Mac mini launch with M2, does that create confusion in the consumer's mind? Like when the 2021 iPad Air had an A14 and the 2020 iPad Pro had an A12Z. The iPad Pro was still overall more powerful thanks to the extra cores, but "A14 is newer than A12" so the general consumer was confused as to why the cheaper iPad had a "newer = better" chip.
If the MBP 14/16 and iMac Pro launch on M2, then when M3 is (about) ready for them, the MBA and Mm can then go to M2 and balance in The Force is maintained.
Well, this is why I’ve given up trying to create any kind of coherence in Apple’s product strategy (once the iPad received the M1 I finally gave up). In my head, it made so much sense for:
- M1 - MacBook Air, Mac mini, low-end MacBook Pro
- M1X - MacBook Pro 14” and 16” and iMac 24”
- M1Z/D - for high-end iMac and (maybe) MacBook Pro 16”
- Special chipset for Mac Pro, perhaps multiple chained M1Zs
And if they went that route, which model would you be getting?
32" unless it is ruinously expensive (like $3999).
So the new MBP is confirmed to be on MiniLED.
So fingers crossed this iMac will have it, as well.
So fingers crossed this iMac will have it, as well.
I believe the goal is to move everything to MiniLED, so...
And if they can use MiniLED to reduce the cost and improve reliability for the Pro Display XDR, then it would make sense to put it in the iMac (with probably lower specs for positioning and pricing).
I'm with you. Just knowing Apple they will give it to us in stages
But yeah, 32 MiniLED would be fantastic
But yeah, 32 MiniLED would be fantastic
I'm with you. Just knowing Apple they will give it to us in stages
Yes, but this will likely be due to available production capacity and ability to charge a "first adopter premium" for MiniLED - the 12.9" iPad Pro went up $100 and I expect most of that was the MiniLED display.
As production increases drive down prices, hopefully the other iPads (and the 11" iPad Pro) can get the update with no cost increase.
I would expect the 14"/16" MBP to not see a price increase related to MiniLED between the savings from dropping Intel and dropping the TouchBar.
There is a beauty that the M1 can adequately drive anything from an iPad to an iMac with probably decent performance.
The higher end devices will different on higher power bracket due to higher CPU and GPU core count and RAM. Add in a possible Apple dGPU in the equation and it makes good sense. I doubt we see extremely many variants but choice of CPU and GPU core count is possible. Now we have M1-8-8 so why not a M1-12-32 with an optional dGPU which would cover MBP to high end iMac. Next year M2-X-Y. Marketing need to do something with nomenclature
. What I do not understand is if Apple will fine tune the M1/X/S clock speed to fit the power brackets of the specific device. Probably not but it would likely be a low hanging fruit to implement.
I get the confusion on naming if a MacBook Air had an M2 and a MacBook Pro had a M1X. But is this any different than when a faster iMac has a 8th-gen Core i3 vs a lower-end iMac with a 7th-gen Core i5? Or how about the 11th-gen Core i9 having 8-cores while the 10th-gen Core i9 had 10-cores. CPU naming has always been a muddied mess.
True, carlos700.
If we see an M2 instead of an M1X in the next round of Macs, I presume it will be to take advantage of the new CPU and SoC cores that have been developed for the A15 so that these "Pro Macs" can have superior single-core performance to the M1 models.
We might also see M2 go into the MBA, mini and MBP 13" updates and then a more-powerful "M2X" go into the 14"/16" MBP, "Mac mini Pro" and "iMac Pro".
If we see an M2 instead of an M1X in the next round of Macs, I presume it will be to take advantage of the new CPU and SoC cores that have been developed for the A15 so that these "Pro Macs" can have superior single-core performance to the M1 models.
We might also see M2 go into the MBA, mini and MBP 13" updates and then a more-powerful "M2X" go into the 14"/16" MBP, "Mac mini Pro" and "iMac Pro".
Well single core performance has never been the strong side of the Apple Pro segment So that is not so confusing.
It is most logical that the M15 architecture will be M2. Considering the slower upgrade cycle of computers, I would not be surprised if odd numbers are the low end and the even number will be the high end. High end as in high core counts.
Finally a "reliable" source. This is what we'll be getting in a 29.5" or bigger iMac. 10 CPU cores are more than enough (8 performance cores vs 4 in M1). All that matters this time is those 16-32 GPU cores.
www.macrumors.com
I extrapolated some gaming benchmarks for M2 and it will be impressive (1260p is for iMac 24"):
- M1 GPU 8 cores: Borderlands 3 1080p Ultra 22 fps - medium 30 fps (1260p 19-26, 1440p 15-23)
- M2 GPU 16 cores 1440p 30-46 fps, 32 cores 1440p 60-92 fps
- M1 GPU 8 cores: Deus Ex: Mankind Divided 1080p Ultra 24 fps (1260p 20, 1440p 18)
- M2 GPU 16 cores 1440p 36 fps, 32 cores 72 fps
- M1 GPU 8 cores: Shadow of the Tomb Raider 1080p Medium 24 fps (1260p 20, 1440p 18)
- M2 GPU 16 cores 1440p 36 fps, 32 cores 72 fps
- M1 GPU 8 cores: Metro Exodus 1080p medium 25-45 fps (1260p 21-38, 1440p 19-35)
- M2 GPU 16 1440p 38-70 fps, 32 cores 76-140 fps
Redesigned MacBook Pro Models With 10-Core Apple Silicon Chip Said to Launch as Early as This Summer
Apple plans to launch new 14-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pro models with an improved iteration of the M1 chip as early as this summer, according to...
www.macrumors.com
I extrapolated some gaming benchmarks for M2 and it will be impressive (1260p is for iMac 24"):
- M1 GPU 8 cores: Borderlands 3 1080p Ultra 22 fps - medium 30 fps (1260p 19-26, 1440p 15-23)
- M2 GPU 16 cores 1440p 30-46 fps, 32 cores 1440p 60-92 fps
- M1 GPU 8 cores: Deus Ex: Mankind Divided 1080p Ultra 24 fps (1260p 20, 1440p 18)
- M2 GPU 16 cores 1440p 36 fps, 32 cores 72 fps
- M1 GPU 8 cores: Shadow of the Tomb Raider 1080p Medium 24 fps (1260p 20, 1440p 18)
- M2 GPU 16 cores 1440p 36 fps, 32 cores 72 fps
- M1 GPU 8 cores: Metro Exodus 1080p medium 25-45 fps (1260p 21-38, 1440p 19-35)
- M2 GPU 16 1440p 38-70 fps, 32 cores 76-140 fps
This looks great. I think from my understanding is that 32 cores GPU will be as fast as 5700XT so we can look there for numbers.
I just hope that their upgrade prices are not insane now that its inhouse they better be reasonable. Its already bad enough that the ram is total rip off. I'm afraid to even guess how much they will want for 32 or 64gb or ram.
Seeing today's rumours make me believe that we won't see bigger iMac before fall. WWDC is now too early so guess fall is the time.
Although showcase at WWDC and shipping next month would be fantastic
I just hope that their upgrade prices are not insane now that its inhouse they better be reasonable. Its already bad enough that the ram is total rip off. I'm afraid to even guess how much they will want for 32 or 64gb or ram.
Seeing today's rumours make me believe that we won't see bigger iMac before fall. WWDC is now too early so guess fall is the time.
Although showcase at WWDC and shipping next month would be fantastic
Finally a "reliable" source. This is what we'll be getting in a 29.5" or bigger iMac. 10 CPU cores are more than enough (8 performance cores vs 4 in M1). All that matters this time is those 16-32 GPU cores.
Redesigned MacBook Pro Models With 10-Core Apple Silicon Chip Said to Launch as Early as This Summer
Apple plans to launch new 14-inch and 16-inch MacBook Pro models with an improved iteration of the M1 chip as early as this summer, according to...
I extrapolated some gaming benchmarks for M2 and it will be impressive (1260p is for iMac 24"):
- M1 GPU 8 cores: Borderlands 3 1080p Ultra 22 fps - medium 30 fps (1260p 19-26, 1440p 15-23)
- M2 GPU 16 cores 1440p 30-46 fps, 32 cores 1440p 60-92 fps
- M1 GPU 8 cores: Deus Ex: Mankind Divided 1080p Ultra 24 fps (1260p 20, 1440p 18)
- M2 GPU 16 cores 1440p 36 fps, 32 cores 72 fps
- M1 GPU 8 cores: Shadow of the Tomb Raider 1080p Medium 24 fps (1260p 20, 1440p 18)
- M2 GPU 16 cores 1440p 36 fps, 32 cores 72 fps
- M1 GPU 8 cores: Metro Exodus 1080p medium 25-45 fps (1260p 21-38, 1440p 19-35)
- M2 GPU 16 1440p 38-70 fps, 32 cores 76-140 fps
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So the report says super duper new mac pro will arrive in 22. I wonder if that means the big imac will have to wait till then as well.
appleinsider.com
Redesigned Mac Pro with up to 40 Apple Silicon cores coming in 2022 | AppleInsider
Apple is reportedly readying a new Mac Pro desktop that could include a new faster Apple Silicon chip with up to 40 processing cores and 128 graphics cores for launch in 2022.
appleinsider.com
So the report says super duper new mac pro will arrive in 22. I wonder if that means the big imac will have to wait till then as well.
Redesigned Mac Pro with up to 40 Apple Silicon cores coming in 2022 | AppleInsider
Apple is reportedly readying a new Mac Pro desktop that could include a new faster Apple Silicon chip with up to 40 processing cores and 128 graphics cores for launch in 2022.
No, highly unlikely. If they update MBP already this summer they can just put the new SoC in the bigger iMac like they did with M1 and iMac 24". The only further delay would be in case they want to put Mini-LED in the new iMac.
Mac Pro is a different beast. That product will be last to go to AS as Apple really needs to come up with something big.
Mac Pro can have 1.5TB or Ram etc. So 2022 WWDC is where I would place my bet for Mac Pro with availability later that year.
Mac Pro can have 1.5TB or Ram etc. So 2022 WWDC is where I would place my bet for Mac Pro with availability later that year.
So the report says super duper new mac pro will arrive in 22. I wonder if that means the big imac will have to wait till then as well.
Redesigned Mac Pro with up to 40 Apple Silicon cores coming in 2022 | AppleInsider
Apple is reportedly readying a new Mac Pro desktop that could include a new faster Apple Silicon chip with up to 40 processing cores and 128 graphics cores for launch in 2022.
I do not expect the iMac Pro to play in the same league as the Mac Pro.
The Bloomberg report did say Apple paused development of the larger iMac to get the 24" out the door, so I am guessing we might see it in the Fall if it uses the MBP's SoC or it could be a 2022 model if it leverages the Mac Pro's SoC (with less CPU and GPU cores).