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When do you expect an iMac redesign?

  • 4rd quarter 2019

    Votes: 34 4.1%
  • 1st quarter 2020

    Votes: 23 2.8%
  • 2nd quarter 2020

    Votes: 119 14.5%
  • 3rd quarter 2020

    Votes: 131 15.9%
  • 4rd quarter 2020

    Votes: 172 20.9%
  • 2021 or later

    Votes: 343 41.7%

  • Total voters
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iPadified

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A large part of the reason is churn. iPhones are broadly taken to be disposable items, so users replace them fairly regularly, which creates a lot of sales and product space in the market. Competing products don't create notable levels of cannibalization in that situation - though there is some.

Macs don't fit that pattern at all, so churn in the market is pretty low. A user will buy one product, once per 5-6 years rather than 1 in 1-2 years (at a guess), and where there is cannibalization, it costs $1500 per sale, rather than $500.

I suspect Apple are a bit more sensitive to cannibalization since this is what almost tanked the entire company at one point, when they were producing multiple self-competing products.
Perhaps this is because I use product til the very end of their life time so I cannot see the difference. I am still on iPhone 6 and 2014 MBP. To maximize profit, Apple should then always release the high end first to take some future sales from the lower end product.

I am quite sure there will be sufficient differentiation in prices and performance between the 24 and 30 so they will coexist without large issues with cannibalisation.

Who says there will be a larger iMac? A high performance Mac mini/compact Mac Pro combined with a 1500-2000USD 32 inch non XDR apple monitor would be better way to simplify the line and work as a great differentiator.
 

za9ra22

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Perhaps this is because I use product til the very end of their life time so I cannot see the difference. I am still on iPhone 6 and 2014 MBP. To maximize profit, Apple should then always release the high end first to take some future sales from the lower end product.

I am quite sure there will be sufficient differentiation in prices and performance between the 24 and 30 so they will coexist without large issues with cannibalisation.

Who says there will be a larger iMac? A high performance Mac mini/compact Mac Pro combined with a 1500-2000USD 32 inch non XDR apple monitor would be better way to simplify the line and work as a great differentiator.

I don't pretend to know better market strategies and reasoning than Apple do themselves, but there are serious constraints placed on them by spending patterns and the dynamics of the consumer market.

They don't make money out of a user who buys a product and then never replaces it with a new one, so they have to have product development cycles, and new products therefore entering the market, but they wouldn't be able to routinely lead with high-end devices because there would not be enough income in that revenue stream, and it would (I think) tend to suppress sales of the lower-end models when they came out, with user expectations having been raised to a point above (or near the top end) performance of the high-end product.

This is why, I believe, they have led the M1 rollout with the MBA/MBP and 24-inch iMac. The interest and buyer commitment in that end of the market drives a lot of sales, makes a great deal of revenue, and that is what provides the foundation for their more esoteric product offerings to come.

I am also pretty certain that there will be good differentiation between the current M1 iMac and the supposedly 'pro' model to come, but history would suggest the 'Pro' model will be a few months off yet, so the 24-inch market settles in first.

As to your last point, indeed, it isn't a certainty that there will be a new larger iMac. My personal preference would be much as you suggest - an 'M1 Powermac', of similar form to a tall Mac mini, or short Mac Pro, and which would sit in the middle of their desktop market. One way or another, the next few Mac-related product rollouts are going to be quite interesting!
 
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I don't pretend to know better market strategies and reasoning than Apple do themselves, but there are serious constraints placed on them by spending patterns and the dynamics of the consumer market.

They don't make money out of a user who buys a product and then never replaces it with a new one, so they have to have product development cycles, and new products therefore entering the market, but they wouldn't be able to routinely lead with high-end devices because there would not be enough income in that revenue stream, and it would (I think) tend to suppress sales of the lower-end models when they came out, with user expectations having been raised to a point above (or near the top end) performance of the high-end product.

This is why, I believe, they have led the M1 rollout with the MBA/MBP and 24-inch iMac. The interest and buyer commitment in that end of the market drives a lot of sales, makes a great deal of revenue, and that is what provides the foundation for their more esoteric product offerings to come.

I am also pretty certain that there will be good differentiation between the current M1 iMac and the supposedly 'pro' model to come, but history would suggest the 'Pro' model will be a few months off yet, so the 24-inch market settles in first.

As to your last point, indeed, it isn't a certainty that there will be a new larger iMac. My personal preference would be much as you suggest - an 'M1 Powermac', of similar form to a tall Mac mini, or short Mac Pro, and which would sit in the middle of their desktop market. One way or another, the next few Mac-related product rollouts are going to be quite interesting!
Apple would solve much with a sleek 30 inch Apple monitor as it would connect to iPad pro, MBPs, Mac mini(pro) and a future MP.

I think the later release of the larger iMac is more about resources at Apple or usage of 5nm+ processes than fear of cannibalising sales.
 

CWallace

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Apple would solve much with a sleek 30 inch Apple monitor as it would connect to iPad pro, MBPs, Mac mini(pro) and a future MP.

I'd love to see Apple launch both a 24" 4.5K Thunderbolt Display and a 32" 6K Thunderbolt Display, but if we only get one, I believe the 24" is the more likely option.
 
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xgman

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It's all about the supply chain and resources at this point. Right now it does seem like the new macbook pros will get all the attention. No ones even mentioning the large imac anymore along with the MBP's and New Mini rumors.
 
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Lava Lamp Freak

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I don't believe anyone has posted this yet.

Source: @LeaksApplePro

Possibly available in only one color: Space Grey
Price: $2,500+
CPU Cores: Starting at 10, up to 32

E2CLbVlWQAUHteU

E2CMmBYXMBIFZAZ



 

CWallace

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I don't believe anyone has posted this yet.

Was looking for that after hearing about it on "The Rebound" podcast, however they noted that Jon Prosser shot it down hard in a follow-on Tweet and the track record for LeaksApplePro is evidently poor.

Also, it would be 32 GPU cores, not CPU, but that has already been expected since it is believed it will use the same SoC as the MacBook Pros (so 10 CPU with 16 or 32 GPU options).

So personally, I feel this is not the next iMac / iMac Pro model, though $2500 tracks with my expectations as the price for the base model (presuming 10+16 cores, 16GB RAM and 512GB SSD).
 
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Jorbanead

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I don't believe anyone has posted this yet.

Source: @LeaksApplePro

Possibly available in only one color: Space Grey
Price: $2,500+
CPU Cores: Starting at 10, up to 32

E2CLbVlWQAUHteU

E2CMmBYXMBIFZAZ



Ethernet port is roughly 20mm deep. The iMac is only 11.5mm deep. So either they are wrong about the thickness, or wrong about Ethernet port. Either way, this is literally just a larger version of the iMac in space grey so I’m guessing if they did hear anything it was all word of mouth and nothing concrete.
 

Warped9

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A curved screen is designed with the idea that everything on the display is of equal distance from your eyes, assuming you’re sitting in the optimum position. If you’re off-centre then one side of the screen is going to look foreshortened. In real life, though, everything is not of equal distance to your eyes so for some people a curved screen feels weird.

It works for some, but not for others.

I don't believe anyone has posted this yet.

Source: @LeaksApplePro

Possibly available in only one color: Space Grey
Price: $2,500+
CPU Cores: Starting at 10, up to 32

E2CLbVlWQAUHteU

E2CMmBYXMBIFZAZ



Most everyone was wrong on what they were sure was going to be the new iMac. I’m inclined to lump this in with those same expectations. Obviously near anything is possible, but I suspect this rumour or supposed leak is really little more than just wishful thinking given all the derogatory feedback on the 24 design.
 
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CWallace

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Ethernet port is roughly 20mm deep. The iMac is only 11.5mm deep. So either they are wrong about the thickness, or wrong about Ethernet port.

It is pretty much guaranteed Apple is going to have the RJ-45 connector in the power supply and carry it over the MagSafe cable like on the 24" iMac and the upcoming MacBook Pros. So that alone means this is nothing more than someone's artistic impression - and that they clearly were not paying attention to what Apple did with the 24" iMac.
 

xgman

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seems like only the new macbook pros at the event from the rumors. probably that means a Fall-late year large imac date.
 
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ravinder08

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seems like only the new macbook pros at the event from the rumors. probably that means a Fall-late year large imac date.
Think you're right, gonna have to hold on a bit longer than I wanted too, hopefully it will be worth the wait
 

Freida

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Looks like WWDC will not bring the bigger iMacs so I guess Fall it is. Oct/Nov event with M2 variant?

It would make sense but we shall see what chip the 16" brings on monday.

The only surprise I am really hoping for is an Apple screen that is more affordable. Mac Pro Mini would be another welcome surprise but I guess that one is not ready either.

Either way, this WWDC looks like it won't bring much surprises on the hardware side so lets hope the software (mainly iPadOS) is worth the wait.
 

CWallace

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iMac (Pro) might be dependent on what SoCs it offers. If it comes with a dual-SoC option (Jade-2C) than it might be delayed until 2022 to launch with the Mac Pro (which will be on Jade-2C and Jade-4C). Availability of a MiniLED display might push it back, as well.

Looks like the 16" MacBook Pro has been confirmed and if we're getting the 16", I don't see why we would also not get the 14".

I think "Mac mini Pro" on JadeC is likely since it is the same SoC as the MBP will be getting.

Also think a new Thunderbolt Display will happen if it is the same 24" 4.5K panel as the iMac.
 

Freida

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But but but I want bigger screen :)


iMac (Pro) might be dependent on what SoCs it offers. If it comes with a dual-SoC option (Jade-2C) than it might be delayed until 2022 to launch with the Mac Pro (which will be on Jade-2C and Jade-4C). Availability of a MiniLED display might push it back, as well.

Looks like the 16" MacBook Pro has been confirmed and if we're getting the 16", I don't see why we would also not get the 14".

I think "Mac mini Pro" on JadeC is likely since it is the same SoC as the MBP will be getting.

Also think a new Thunderbolt Display will happen if it is the same 24" 4.5K panel as the iMac.
 

xgman

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Today's front page rumor of mbp later in the year delivery, makes me think the new big imac will be a 2022 item.
 

Freida

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Well, maybe but I think if next Mac Mini update brings us some good GPU power etc. and Apple does stop slacking and gives us new Apple screen then I might just get Mini + screen combo.

I feel WWDC will be just as surprising as the spring event. I went in that event thinking that we will see iPads and maybe Airtags and boy was I pleasantly surprised. :)

So, let WWDC continue this trend :)

1st surprise Mac Pro Mini - available in december
2nd surprise Apple Cinema Display

;-)

Today's front page rumor of mbp later in the year delivery, makes me think the new big imac will be a 2022 item.
 

CWallace

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Well, maybe but I think if next Mac Mini update brings us some good GPU power etc. and Apple does stop slacking and gives us new Apple screen then I might just get Mini + screen combo.

I'm really excited for the MiniLED 14" MacBook Pro to replace my 2018 12.9" iPad Pro and 2017 15.4" MacBook Pro.



I am inclined to believe the Apple Thunderbolt Display (2021) will be a 24" 4.5K model using the same panel as the iMac, which will make it too small for me. So if the next iMac is a 32" 6K display, I'm probably committed to ordering it.
 

Moonjumper

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Well, maybe but I think if next Mac Mini update brings us some good GPU power etc. and Apple does stop slacking and gives us new Apple screen then I might just get Mini + screen combo.

I feel WWDC will be just as surprising as the spring event. I went in that event thinking that we will see iPads and maybe Airtags and boy was I pleasantly surprised. :)

So, let WWDC continue this trend :)

1st surprise Mac Pro Mini - available in december
2nd surprise Apple Cinema Display

;-)
I’m now also leaning towards a Mac Mini if it has decent power, which is think is entirely possible as something must replace the Intel Mini that has remained on sale.

I’ve discussed in this thread my wish for height adjustment and a squarer aspect ratio, so I might pair it with the new Huawei Mateview 28.2” 3:2 monitor (I use a dual monitor setup, not sure about two of these because of resolution). It would be better with a higher resolution (it’s 4K width with extra pixels vertically), but should be OK, and the design is much nearer what I hoped for the new iMac than what we got.
 

Freida

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Why going from bigger screen to smaller one? Doesn't it bother you? I have 15" 2017MBP with 24" work monitor and I hate them both. :)
For laptop, I loved my 17" back in the days. It was the perfect work size for me as I don't travel much and when I do its just to move it from one place to another and then have it there.
as for 24, I find it too small. Really miss the days when I had 2010 Mac Pro and 30" ACD.

The 32 XDR is perfect but its just so expensive. 27 iMac is also very good size but I prefer a bit bigger. I really hope we get 2 options. 24" and 32" even if that means the 32" being half price of XDR. $2500 would probably be good price for that considering Apple prices.

Apple's screens last ages and they are always thing of a beauty. The 30 ACD still holds great design now (even though the bezels are too thick to todays standard).

Anyway, are you sure you are not going to be bothered by going to smaller size screen?

I'm really excited for the MiniLED 14" MacBook Pro to replace my 2018 12.9" iPad Pro and 2017 15.4" MacBook Pro.



I am inclined to believe the Apple Thunderbolt Display (2021) will be a 24" 4.5K model using the same panel as the iMac, which will make it too small for me. So if the next iMac is a 32" 6K display, I'm probably committed to ordering it.
 

CWallace

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Why going from bigger screen to smaller one? Doesn't it bother you?

For a portable, not so much. I had the original 12.9" iPad Pro and found it too large, so I went down to the 10.5" iPP when it was launched. When the 11" and slimmer 12.9" launched in 2018, I intended to get the 11", but the 12.9" being only 2" larger made it easier to hold and lighter than the original 12.9" model so I bought it because I did prefer the larger screen.

As for the MBP, that was given to me by work as a farewell gift (it was out of warranty and they ordered a new model for my replacement). I intended to get the 2021 12.9" iPad Pro when it launched, but I find I really prefer macOS to iPadOS so I honestly would rather have a Mac than an iPad. And the 14" with MiniLED will only be an inch larger than the 12.9" iPad Pro.

For desktops, screen real-estate is everything, which is why I cannot go from 27" to 24" even though the new iMac 4.5K is otherwise perfect for me and I'd love one in Purple. So I wait for the 32" model.
 

Moonjumper

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For a portable, not so much. I had the original 12.9" iPad Pro and found it too large, so I went down to the 10.5" iPP when it was launched. When the 11" and slimmer 12.9" launched in 2018, I intended to get the 11", but the 12.9" being only 2" larger made it easier to hold and lighter than the original 12.9" model so I bought it because I did prefer the larger screen.

As for the MBP, that was given to me by work as a farewell gift (it was out of warranty and they ordered a new model for my replacement). I intended to get the 2021 12.9" iPad Pro when it launched, but I find I really prefer macOS to iPadOS so I honestly would rather have a Mac than an iPad. And the 14" with MiniLED will only be an inch larger than the 12.9" iPad Pro.

For desktops, screen real-estate is everything, which is why I cannot go from 27" to 24" even though the new iMac 4.5K is otherwise perfect for me and I'd love one in Purple. So I wait for the 32" model.
You say the 14" is only an inch larger, but it may be less in terms of screen area. MacBook Pros are 16:10 and iPads are 4:3. The squarer an aspect ratio is, the more surface area you get for the diagonal length.
 
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