Ohhh good point ! I missed that. And it’s the same font used for the original Macintosh.
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Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?
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Right. If you look at the WWDC announcement, the logo looks like it came from a MacBook lid and it includes the classic Macintosh "hello". Possibly clues to Mac related announcements.
See this commercial from Apple...
And this text ad from 2015. "Hello" has a history with iMacs. These are just a few examples of the history of "Hello" with iMac. There are more.
And this text ad from 2015. "Hello" has a history with iMacs. These are just a few examples of the history of "Hello" with iMac. There are more.
Wasn’t it the iMac that first said “Hello” on stage when Steve Jobs first unveiled it. Or what that the macintosh ie a different computer?
It was the Macintosh.
So definitively my probabilities to see a new iMac shifted to 99% on WWDC.
So definitively my probabilities to see a new iMac shifted to 99% on WWDC.
You do know that the majority of the iMac SKUs actually use the 65w Intel CPUs don't you? Very few SKUs in the current iMac use the 95w parts. It's not Apple 'cheaping out' by going for parts - such as a lower clocked AMD GPU - that won't melt the machine, or sound like a jet engine taking off perpetually, or burn out the attached monitor (literally). I'm typing this in silence on an old MacBook Pro connected to an external monitor. Doubtless an iMac by definition would also be doing it virtually silently too.
Show me the Dell or HP AIO that has those parts glued to a monitor with a reasonable quality of life in front of the screen. If you were wanting a PC with those kind of specs you'd put it in a proper desktop case and add the monitor separately.
What exactly are you doing with the 125w i9 and 5700XT in a Mac anyway? I doubt that you'd be playing games. Are you editing videos on FCPX or Adobe Premier? Doing some mathematical modelling or rendering? I'd suggest it was music production but there's bo chance of that lot being whisper quiet in an iMac case, what with your 2Tb of SSD that cost $200.
Or are you just wanting to browse Facebook with a couple extra Safari tabs open?
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But HP put a 2080 NV in their 'Envy.'
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Amen to that. There's always a need for better hardware. If Apple are going to put the iMac 27 inch in the 1700-£3600 price bracket the components need to back that marketing 'talk' up.
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Wow. Those stats are brutal. That's going to hurt in the morning.
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Apple's XDR display appears to have display fans but compromise on the heat to improve the user experience by having 'inaudible' fans (16db). The cheesegrater design at the back is to help with cooling efficiency - people have already pointed at the styling as a design cue for the next iMacs.
This plays directly into Apple's priority to have a good user experience rather than have a space heater or jet engine on the desk.
An iMac would, of course, come with some sort of active fan cooling which might help with keeping the heat down overall. And if Apple went with an 'iMac Air' type arrangement they could lower the performance expectations by putting H-class CPUs and cooler running RDNA graphics* into the new enclosure while they were also going all SSD with a T2 CPU.
* I could easily see Apple choosing RDNA2 SKUs based on a presumed ability to get a desired level of performance without breaking the pre-planned heat/power consumption envelope.
In other words - forget the 5700XT guys. [and give me a second to get the flame retardant coat on]
I'm guessing *you* like the iMac 'Air' concept. I've got nothing against that. Makes sense up to a certain price point and to hit lower price points. A 'giant' 24 inch Macbook 16 incher on a stand. Accessible price point of £799 to £1495.
But it piles pressure on the iMac '27' (32!!!!) incher to give beefier specs at £1700, £2200, £2700 and £3000. The 27 inch goes 'bye' and we get the 'iMac Pro' 32 incher in a far more sensible price range.
And bring a Mac Pro i9 tower into the £2500-£3500 range to replace the iMac 'Pro' as was.
Yes. RDNA2 is going to be some gpu balancing far more efficiency vs speed. Making the 5700XT a bad time to buy. But we're looking at Apple being a year away at their rate of going from adopting the RDNA2 for mainstream desktops. Is there ANY evidence that Apple will put decent GPUs in the Mini, iMac 21 or the iMac 27 as they are now?
Don't hold our breath, I'd say. It's hard enough getting a 5700/XT class gpu in a desktop Mac currently. May. Nearly June pending.
STILL waiting.
'No.' (On forgetting the 5700XT. If the iMac Pro can cool a Vega 64...)
*PUT SOME DECENT COOLING IN THE 27 INCH IMAC, APPLE.*
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With some imagination. The same inspiration they used for the Bondi iMac. ie. Get back to the light.
'Stale.' You called it right there.
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If by substantial, the rumours can read tea leaves to mean 're-design' then it has to be WWDC. Maybe they didn't get chance to release it earlier due to the 'OFFICIAL' Intel CPU launch and the supply chain. The rumour messages are somewhat duplicitous.
ie. Substantial. What does that mean?
Ready. Says a Macbook 13 inch style bump.
The current global context could mean a delay to either.
Marketing. Could be a timing thing. Which suggests, sure. The iMac is 'substantial', it's done ie. 'ready.' Which hints at a fitting way to release it.
Or it could have been press released with the Macbook 13.
However, those Intel cpus aren't officially released until May 20th-ish? So another week if that's 'all' Apple are waiting on, for the embargo to lift.
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I personally hate the idea of 'iMac Air'. What the hell is nice in having mobile hardware in a desktop form factor ? No way. Apple is better than this, even for a low end segment.
But what could warrant "stage" time for iMac? There must be some features that are spectacular for that to happen. A slight redesign and an egg frying new 14 nm chip from Intel seems not to be enough.
Were there *any* leaks about the new Mac Pro design before it was released? I don't remember. Could this be a similar case where an iMac redesign makes it to release without any substantial leaks?
Agreed. I would add this further perspective: if it is actually a redesign of the 8 year old "Slim Aluminum Unibody", which itself was not visually much different than its predecessor "Aluminum Unibody" that dates back to 2009, then I get why Apple would hold it for WWDC. They probably want more recognition and credit than just a press release.
The Mac Pro was announced, then released many months later. There were none on production lines as a source of leaks. I think iMacs will be available shortly after announcement, if not immediately, so production would have started. However, it is much easier to sneak an iPhone away from the production line for a photo. You cannot do the same thing with an iMac. There are also no case makers willing to spend money to get early access to designs. There are far fewer design leaks on Macs.
I hope we do see a completely new design, but if Apple do keep close to the current design, I suppose adding XDR openings all over the back could make a large difference to cooling.
Say "Hello" to the first ARM iMac - that would be significant and perfect in parallel with the original Macintosh release, but I doubt it. FaceID of course. Dual boot MacOS/iPadOS or iPadOS running on a A12Z in a window in MacOS while the rest is on Intel? Of course pencil support in the iPadOS window! "Broadcasting grade camera" and "studio" mikes for content creation. Only my own egoistic desires of course with no base in reality.
Current delivery time is still 10 June two weeks before WWDC. I rather wait and get amazed than get a spec bump tomorrow.
Current delivery time is still 10 June two weeks before WWDC. I rather wait and get amazed than get a spec bump tomorrow.
Except FaceID and camera, none of this is useful on an iMac. I don't see why running iPadOS on a Mac would be useful. It would be a serious downgrade, especially for developers. What they need to bring is Xcode to iPadOS, not the Mac
I don't see any usecase iPadOS running at the same time as macOS would be useful. Developers already have access to the best emulator software in the world within Xcode.That's a good point. It was a 'belter' out of nowhere. Great design. I don't recall any leaks re: it's design. They did a good job keeping them one quiet.
The iMac seems to be in hidden from view. Which may not be a bad thing if the design revolution matches that of the Mac Pro (sans ridiculous price rise...)
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It's pretty fundamental to the pushing the performance of the iMac. Internal iMac Pro cooling and the 'bullet' holes of the XDR...
It's about time we had a bit more of that so the iMac can sustain it's new role (implied by the iMac Pro itself...) as a performance workstation. £5k isn't the price you're paying for mainstream performance.
And a massive heat sink on that new ten core Intel wouldn't go amiss either. But if the iMac Pro is handling 18 core Xeons and Vega 64s (not insignificant things to cool...yet the iMac Pro does...)
The innovations from 3 years ago are there and the XDR. To bring that together into a mainstream product is what Apple should be doing best.
Cooling is (as somebody has a fried GPU...) something I want to see Apple taking more seriously on the mainstream iMac. I want it to morph into the iMac Pro. If they want to 'Air' the 23 inch version, fine by me. But a clear performance distinction between the two is important.
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Same here.
It's time to do something significant for the mainstream desktop Mac. That means iMac.
The software transition is the key thing to look for with any transition. The iPad app to Mac OS is the thing to look for with the Swift, the APIs...X-Code on iPad...it suggests convergence. A developer 'Mac' ARM makes sense to bridge the 'gap' between iPad (a Mac touch by any other name...) and Mac. One you gradually move all software barriers then the hardware must surely follow.
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Except FaceID and camera, none of this is useful on an iMac. I don't see why running iPadOS on a Mac would be useful. It would be a serious downgrade, especially for developers. What they need to bring is Xcode to iPadOS, not the Mac
Each device can be true to itself. What you basically have is large screen Macs, medium screen Macs and small screen Macs. That's the way I see Macs, iPads, iPhones, Watches. It's semantics which CPU they run on. They all run an 'Apple' OS. It's splitting hairs re: Mac OS vs iOS. Underlying. Same thing. And in the near future, even that semantic will be removed.
It's less about iPad OS running on 'Mac' but more allowing 'ARM' Apps run to run on Mac.
eg. Take Procreate. It's a superior painting App to Painter by Corel. I'd really like that to run on 'Mac.' As soon as Mac has ARM it's a closer step. Once all the software barriers are removed eg. X-Code on the iPad (transformative)...at some point they all become the same thing... So, X-Code on iPad is putting the 'Mac' as we know it...on 'notice.'
The iPad has pointer facility now. It smells like convergence to me. Just a matter of when. Not if. A dual A12z would be just fine in an iMac 'Air.'
But it won't be that. It will be the destroyer. A14x.
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Apart from the new design (I want it too...) don't you think that the "real" new iMac will be there next year when there will probably be the historic transition to ARM chips?
I got you mixed up with S'lunar.
But the 'tear drop' iMac hints at a 23 inch sized flat slate on a stand at some point ie just a bigger Mac Book 16 incher on a stand. That will be powerful enough for many. Not for me. But for many and could be quite stylishly done. And if you could dismount that iPad style... (*looks* at the iPad and new keyboard 'counter lever' stand. Just a smaller iMac in my view. And/or a taste of future iMacs, certainly any iMacs on Mac ARM. Though how you dock and mount 23 inches, I don't know. *No jokes, please.)
That won't work (right now) for the 27/32 inch model which will need more depth for the price bracket/performance arena.
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The real action re: Mac ARM. Vibe feels like next year. A14X feels (finally) like the place where the mainstream Macs ARM can be forged. It's not like the A12z is isn't a sterling performer. But all eyes are on the next performance shift. It 'seems' like that will be the A14X. And there's the chance like Apple could could put dual, quad even octo core Mac ARM A14x in a machine. Sounds frightening to me. Any seismic shift will happen next year. Probably with this year as yet another 'transition' year in terms of 'spec' bumps.
Again. We have to look at the last transition which started with the 'tech demo' kit of the Intel CPU in a PPC case which Apple made available to developers.
Then, mainstream shift went with iMac and Macbooks followed this. The transition took just over a year I think.
No guarantee it will be that 'THIS' time. However, they are even better prepared and have laid more train track this time.
It's a clue to their approach. eg. Look at the iPad shift to Mac done in software 1st. We'll hear more about that this year. A shift that has been underway over the past two years? When this technology for interoperability between iPad and Mac is done ie just a case of pointing the software at its target platform of touch or pointer then it will just be a case of dropping a cpu 'ARM' in the 'Mac' case.
For devs? This year. Makes sense. Customers follow next year.
'Real iMac.' (?)
'Ah...but Roma...which self? This one? Or this? In the end he would not have known me.'
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Exactly. And project Catalyst is specifically here for this.
I can see your point with "convergence" between OSes. But I think the Mac should keep the most powerful version of macOS. iPad is fine with iPadOS. Having a touch device using it's own adapted OS is fine to me.
Aye. Catalyst being the monica for that.
It's convergence. The rest of the (forgettable) details will be foot notes in history.
Apple have already shown a willingness for each device to have its own 'OS' that plays to the strength of each 'monitor' size and input method.
Whether we'll see 'Mac OS' deprecated to some lobotomised vegetable remains to be seen. A lockbox turn key software solution..? We can't rule out a software revolution. Or some deprecation to move the platform forward in more exciting ways.
I doubt it, though. We'll see it much like the transition to the new Apple File System.
But it being on ARM opens the door for a clear out, efficiency, new design paradigms and even 'touch.' With the pointer capability on iOS iPad now...it maybe hints at where future ARM Macs might go. 'Touch.' Apple pencil on an iMac Mac ARM screen? (We have 'touch' it on track pads...)
I suspect the 'iMac' and 'iPad' will have much more in common in a few years.
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