Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

[Migranya]

This new iMac should have, at least: only SSD options, WiFi 6, 16 GB of RAM in higher models and better CPU and GPU options. I would buy that instantly.

EDIT: and 1080p webcam!!!

 

[Dave245]

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last train before WWDC (in my opinion) may be tomorrow... considering 10th gen Intel will be officially sell...
but honestly i think we will see them at WWDC...

but i'm wondering.. why Jon Prosser says new iMac are ready to ship...? and why he NEVER NEVER reply to people who asked him if a redesign will be.... ?

i think that no redesign could be (he did not reply just to keep hype high) and will be a simple spec bumps due to the fact that he said new iMac are redy to ship since one month.

what do you think?

I asked Jon Prosser on Twitter about a redesign, he simply replied with "a redesign you say?" i'm not sure if he's hinting at a redesign or not. I believe Jon Prosser may be correct and that the iMac's are ready to ship (redesign or not) it's just that Apple is waiting until WWDC to announce them, if there is a redesign.

 

[sublunar]

@deconstruct60 I think we got crossed purposes between AMD vs Intel and Intel vs ARM CPU choice for Apple here.

We're both in agreement that the volume of CPUs between desktop and laptop are different. Probably volume shipped between Mac and iPhone is different too.

Intel will be seriously concerned if Apple were leaving them for AMD for the impact it has on their other customers, less so if Apple were switching to their own ARM architecture - although the revenue drop would be serious. It's about the optics of a prestige brand like Apple switching to AMD which at the moment seems far fetched.

As mentioned in the previous post there's no evidence of ARM having access to the kind of architecture that would allow multiple USB-C ports let alone Thunderbolt 3 ports. A new Lenovo Yoga 5g recently announced has just 2 USB-C ports and curiously a built in 5g cellular option. Those ports could share a single USB-C controller for all we know.

As far as I can see the only feature parity product that Apple could launch at the moment with ARM is a 12" MacBook because that also came with a solitary USB-C port. Let's call it an iBook for reasons for clarity.

If they decided to extend that out and create a 15" iBook they could logically leave that with a single USB-C port. Who knows what the bandwidth would be if they decided the 15" iBook would have 2 ports for example. There's no sign of the iPad getting a second port even though a 'smart connector' exists.

For what we know of the iPad Pro series though we can expect Wifi 6 and Bluetooth, 5g Cellular built in would be bonus and one or two USB-C ports for external storage and charging would get road warriors going.

Remember, though, that the iPad Pro has dongle based options for adding Ethernet, SD cards, HDMI ports. These should work immediately for the user on the go, and USB-C docks would suffice for home user.

Apple could similarly try something with a desktop like the iMac, which I think Apple would mitigate by calling the ARM iMac the iMac Air...

Obviously any kind of heavy duty use requiring I/O is yet to be confirmed - who knows what Apple have been up to all these years.

 

[iPadified]

I asked Jon Prosser on Twitter about a redesign, he simply replied with "a redesign you say?" i'm not sure if he's hinting at a redesign or not. I believe Jon Prosser may be correct and that the iMac's are ready to ship (redesign or not) it's just that Apple is waiting until WWDC to announce them, if there is a redesign.

"New iMacs are ready to ship" and "Redesign" is a huge difference. The ready to ship is at the moment safe to save as no iMac 27" can bought and only indicate an nearly insignificant spec bump or if you are lucky a new keyboard. While "redesign" suggest something much more significant. Leaking the former is safer than the latter.

It is so limiting to do 100% work on MBP 15.6 inch full time (home computer) when being used to 2X27 inch screen at work. Sooner rather than later please.

 

[gusping]

last


last train before WWDC (in my opinion) may be tomorrow... considering 10th gen Intel will be officially sell...
but honestly i think we will see them at WWDC...

but i'm wondering.. why Jon Prosser says new iMac are ready to ship...? and why he NEVER NEVER reply to people who asked him if a redesign will be.... ?

i think that no redesign could be (he did not reply just to keep hype high) and will be a simple spec bumps due to the fact that he said new iMac are redy to ship since one month.

what do you think?

I do not have a clue. My gut says it is a simple refresh (no idea why), but why wait this long if they are ready? Apple wouldn’t announce a simple spec bump at WWDC....

 

[iPadified]

I do not have a clue. My gut says it is a simple refresh (no idea why), but why wait this long if they are ready? Apple wouldn’t announce a simple spec bump at WWDC....

I agree and Intel press release from 30 April said that these processors were to found in computer from early May. No they will not give a spec bump any time at all. SO why the wait?

 

[Manfredi]

I asked Jon Prosser on Twitter about a redesign, he simply replied with "a redesign you say?" i'm not sure if he's hinting at a redesign or not. I believe Jon Prosser may be correct and that the iMac's are ready to ship (redesign or not) it's just that Apple is waiting until WWDC to announce them, if there is a redesign.

at this point i definitely prefer a redesign... not a new spec bumps please!!!
and if Jon Prosser replied with "a redesign you say?" probably means something like "who said redesign? not for sure!"

 

[Dave245]

at this point i definitely prefer a redesign... not a new spec bumps please!!!
and if Jon Prosser replied with "a redesign you say?" probably means something like "who said redesign? not for sure!"

Yea this was the reply on Twitter

 

[Azrael9]

From what I am reading the 10700KF needs significantly more power and cooling to reach higher OC'es in comparison to 9700K.
I think the issue here might have to do with throttling or having to be undervolted in heat prone iMac enclosure.
I wonder if the new base iMacs will have IMPro cooling internals.

The iMac Pro's cooling seems mandatory. Undervolted...? I would have thought so. Aren't the i9s in the 2019 iMac under volted and that's why they 'run cooler?'

Azrael.
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I do not have a clue. My gut says it is a simple refresh (no idea why), but why wait this long if they are ready? Apple wouldn’t announce a simple spec bump at WWDC....

We haven't had a redesign for the iMac for so long that are expectations are tempered accordingly.

What we expect and hope for can be two different things.

Anything like the Mini 'update' and there will likely be a classic forum meltdown.

'Substantial' update meaning 'better all round specs' suggests more than a 'mere' bump to 'all' SSDs and calling that 'new.' We could be looking at the iMac Pro spec at a more reasonable mainstream price. Ram. SSD. GPU. And 8 core. All boosted in that £1700-£3k price range. I'd like to see those things standard. A 5600XT as 'standard' wouldn't be 'too bad' but there needs to be a compelling BTO gpu option in eg. 5700XT.

Redesign. Could be mild in bezel trim allowing a further spec boost to allow the 21 to go 24. 27 to go 30-32 inches.

And with this overall boost in specs it would be nice to have superior cooling. Though they may just undervolt the cpu and down clock the gpu. But it seems these latest cpus run very hot so a 'massive' heat sink and some iMac Pro style cooling may make more sense.

Redesign. Could be a radical new direction or designed chassis. Anything from an i-Lamp to a M$ Surface desktop concept to Apple's own XDR display which is a naturally and striking successor to the monitor styled AiO concept.

The silence re: the iMac is deafening. It seems similar to the Mac Pro. We're hearing it's coming but there's no actual rumours re: spec or price or design.

The only snippet we have heard is that there is a 23 incher pending 2nd half this year and that the iMac is ready. 'Ready' could mean that the next iMac is done and is awaiting a staged effect WWDC to show it off. Which suggests a substantial overall spec boost but some form of design boost from that which could mean anything from a sevelte bezel trim monitor display boost to a radical overhaul in the XDR direction.

Any mere spec boost like the Mini should have been pressed released by now.

It's WWDC or bust.

Azrael.

 

[DrRadon]

Radio silence....

it has to be WDDC now, surely? In which case, i look forward to my
10-core i9, 5700XT and completely redesigned iMac!

No.

Its going to be before the WWDC because at WWDC they will announce ARM Chips for next year rendering "the new iMac" old right away.
Redesign will come with ARM and MiniLED, bigger screenzises ect.

 

[Azrael9]

Yea this was the reply on Twitter

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Always ways to interprate any question.

But it reads to me like a knowing, 'A redesign you say...?'

AKA. A hint. If it's WWDC, it has to be some form of redesign.

The the 'buzz' has said 'substantial' update. That obviously means overall specs but 'suggests' a design move of 'the needle' but just a question of how far apple moves the needle on the iMac.

If it's anything like the Mac Pro which is the last major design overhaul...and given the iMac design has been with us longer than the Mac pro 6 year wait then...

...the design overhaul could be quite dramatic for the iMac.

The most obvious move is the design they've already done.

The Pro Display XDR. Just put the components behind that screen. And I'm buying it with *no* hesitation.

Azrael.

 

[Dave245]

Also Mark Gurman mentioned the iMac, saying that Apple were going to release a substantial updated model.

 

[DrRadon]

The iMac Pro's cooling seems mandatory. Undervolted...? I would have thought so. Aren't the i9s in the 2019 iMac under volted and that's why they 'run cooler?'

Azrael.
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and that the iMac is ready.

It's not "ready" it's "ready to ship" like the new 4k Apple TV and some sort of new AirPods (all according to Prosser).

 

[Azrael9]

No.

Its going to be before the WWDC because at WWDC they will announce ARM Chips for next year rendering "the new iMac" old right away.
Redesign will come with ARM and MiniLED, bigger screenzises ect.

It could still happen that way. But May is ten days from being over. When news of the Mac Mini and iMac refreshes or rumours 1st hit it suggested a 'meh' refresh (which the Mini was...) that was imminent. The iMac refresh is dragging on and on. Which suggests something 'more substantial.'

Apple shipped the Intel Power Mac in the old grater PPC design.

That doesn't mean they have to do that with any Mac ARM chip. The ideal place to test a 'beta' dev' machine at WWDC would be the 12 inch Macbook that they 'retired...' That would seem the most obvious candidate to me.

They didn't wait for Mac ARM to redesign the Mac Pro. There's no real reason they have to wait for Mac ARM for the iMac.

Apple have a whole year to sell Macs.

2021. They may keep the form factors the same and boost the specs.
2022. Then create dramatic design vectors after the transition is complete.

AKA. One thing at a time. There's little evidence that Apple can chew gum and rub their belly at the same time. See: The iMac is still pending for a 'spec boost' or we're waiting for a 'mere' redesign at WWDC.

I'd say at this point it looks like 'substantial' in the WWDC kind of way for iMac. And we have an evens chance of seeing preview Mac ARM dev' hardware.

It's Apple. Anything could happen. And has historically. When we least expect it.

Azrael.
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It's not "ready" it's "ready to ship" like the new 4k Apple TV and some sort of new AirPods (all according to Prosser).

Ready. Ready to ship. = Ready.

So where is it?

Azrael.
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Also Mark Gurman mentioned the iMac, saying that Apple were going to release a substantial updated model.

*nods. That's the one.

And that's open to everything from suped up specs overall to some form of redesign.

That is 'allegedly' 'ready' 'to ship.'

We're still waiting as of 20th of May.

And the Apple TV A12X is sat on someone's sofa...? But 'ready...' for about a year already? :?

Which, in reference to the iMac...suggests Apple will release things when they're good and ready. Regardless of spec bump or redesign.

Azrael.
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I asked Jon Prosser on Twitter about a redesign, he simply replied with "a redesign you say?" i'm not sure if he's hinting at a redesign or not. I believe Jon Prosser may be correct and that the iMac's are ready to ship (redesign or not) it's just that Apple is waiting until WWDC to announce them, if there is a redesign.

They could be 'just waiting' to announce them at WWDC and 'substantial' means a generous spec boost on the 'last' round of Intel iMac updates and 'same' design (ie. a year from now is 2021...and we could be looking at Mac ARM iMacs taking it to the WWDC stage. If Mac ARM 'Macbook' dev machines debut at WWDC 2020.)

'Substantial' and 'Ready' means a good all round spec boost in my mind and why haven't they shipped already which could be Intel related ie enough shipping cpus to put into the iMac refresh. It could be merely the latter issue in terms of holding them up to announce and ship to customers. Using common sense, this cpu has just launched or is launching and that means alot of clients for Intel want these cpus which may constrain initial supply.

Substantial and ready could also mean we have a 'proper' design update coming and it's just a matter of an appropriate marketing venue to get the right exposure for those design efforts.

Azrael.

 

[askunk]

Well, at least...

 

[Azrael9]

Well, at least...

Well, yes. It's not like we Apple 'fans' have much choice of cpu vendor on the Mac platform.

So, it returns INtel to 'top in games' but still behind AMD in creative matters (ironically, where the Mac platform is centered?) Not a bad update. But Intel should be way ahead of this. +++++. I'm glad AMD are putting the pressure and beat down on them.

And that it isn't the thermal monster we think it's going to be unless you take the shackles of it? I'd see Apple just undervolting/down clocking it to get the same 'constant' that there is in the current 2019 iMac.

However, surely, a better cooling system? Add that cpu to all the other component boosts and there'll be some heat in there under load?

Azrael.

 

[iPadified]

125W will not fit the current iMac cooling. iMP cooling is needed.

 

[Moonjumper]

As mentioned in the previous post there's no evidence of ARM having access to the kind of architecture that would allow multiple USB-C ports let alone Thunderbolt 3 ports. A new Lenovo Yoga 5g recently announced has just 2 USB-C ports and curiously a built in 5g cellular option. Those ports could share a single USB-C controller for all we know.

Here is some evidence:

The Huawei Kunpeng Desktop Board for the Huawei Kunpeng 920 Arm processor has 2 M.2 SSD slots, 6 SATA 3.0 interfaces, 4 DDR4 slots, 3 PCIe slots (1 PCIe 3.0 x16, 1 PCIe 3.0 x4, and 1 PCIe 3.0 x1), 2 LOC NIC ports (for ethernet or optical), 4 USB 3.0, 4 USB 2.0. https://e.huawei.com/en/products/servers/kunpeng/kunpeng-desktop-board

And the board isn't providing all the interfaces the chip supports, which is capable of PCIe 4.0 and CCIX.

Of course we don't know what Apple will do, but the open sourcing of Thunderbolt means it is likely to be supported.

 

[Azrael9]

125W will not fit the current iMac cooling. iMP cooling is needed.

I think this type of cooling is overdue. It's what a £1700-£3560 computer *should* have. This isn't a £299-£599 budget desktop from PC land. Apple need to include premium cooling to go with their premium margins. Also to the point, many PC tower now have water cooling (which I don't trust) but point is, decent cooling and fan coolers, designs and water coolers have been in PC land for a while now.

Watching the Linus video, he makes the point that Intel still have good engineers and it's not the thermal monster (re: just launched cpus) that we're fearing. I hope so.

One thiing I noted in the review of the 2019 iMac was that the cpus seemed to be undervolted according to the reviewer to get 'most' of the performance at constant rate.

The iMac Pro has a big heat sink(?) on the Xeon many cores and there's the substantial cooling system too.

In short, I hope you're right.

ie. That we get that cooling for these cpus. Otherwise I'd expect it to get fried right after Apple care lapses.

Azrael.

 

[Freida]

This is interesting. At least gives me little hope that Intel is not totally screwed.
Ok, so we are not getting AMD then so Apple is free to update these with iMac Pro redesign + small bezels + bigger screen.
If they introduce the XDR design language on top of it I think we will all be ecstatic

Well, at least...

 

[macpro2000]

It better be a killer 32" beast if they want us to wait until WWDC. Let's hope.

 

[krazzix]

Just for fun, I made an iMac mockup where the screen has the same square size as the old screen + chin, and also reduced the bezel to XDR display level size (1,5cm).

Shockingly, this would allow a 26" display!

I'll do the same for the 27" too soon

 

[NewUsername]

Just for fun, I made an iMac mockup where the screen has the same square size as the old screen + chin, and also reduced the bezel to XDR display level size (1,5cm).

Shockingly, this would allow a 26" display!

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I'll do the same for the 27" too soon

Nice! But don't forget the Apple logo. Sometimes I think the only reason the HomePod isn't selling is because it doesn't have an Apple logo on it.

Perhaps a redesign could look like the old Thunderbolt display with smaller bezels? Wouldn't look bad I think.

 

[CWallace]

At this point, I am guessing that there will be a ~24" iMac and that it will look different from the 21.5" and 27". I am also guessing that Apple is holding it back for a WWDC announcement (with it being available to order as soon as the Keynote Store Hold is lifted).

The 21.5" is starting to see sales from third-party vendors, so that could be a sign it's now EOL and those vendors are liquidating their stock.

I am inclined to believe the 27" will be unchanged and availability is constrained due to a reported lack of 5K panels due to LG's production facilities coming back on line from a COVID-related shutdown.

 

[gusping]

It better be a killer 32" beast if they want us to wait until WWDC. Let's hope.

32in gang! Yes please.
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I am inclined to believe the 27" will be unchanged and availability is constrained due to a reported lack of 5K panels due to LG's production facilities coming back on line from a COVID-related shutdown.

I think you’re right, and it’s simply a supply issue. Unfortunately...