Will there ever be a new large iMac (Pro)?

[xgman]

What if Apple doesn't redesign anything? Then what? Then nothing I guess, but doesn't it seem quite boring to have no dazzle year after year? Seems like a combination of stubbornness and lack of interest. But we keep hoping and even "designing" prototypes ourselves apparently. How hard could it be for them to put a little effort into this?

 

[Azrael9]

See, I do not want a 32" 6K display since it will not work cohesively with my second display (a 27" QHD).

Now if they go 32" at 5K (5120x2880) with minLED and HDR then I will consider it.

Biggest mistake I made was this 'QHD' display. I should have waited for the retina iMac a year later. Rookie error.

You'll be waiting a while longer for the miniLED and HDR, I suspect.

32 inches. I just want things bigger. I like seeing the interface elements bigger. So I could live with a 5k 32 incher.

But they may as well move things on to 6k and use the supply chain to create a cheaper XDR monitor if they're going to change the screen size.

But this is Apple. They've done a lot of fiddling around with the iPad screen size, half an inch here or there...

So it may be 23 and 29. And the 4k and 5k displays merely becoming bigger with no extra pixels?

It looks like an extra two inches from the diagonal bezels?

The XDR looks the most enticing if they're really going to go for it. But 'current' Apple tend to mind the beans these days...so it maybe 23 and 29 but 'bigger' display on slender bezels.

Either way. I hope it's going to be dramatic.

Azrael.

 

[ArmouredBear]

I just want Target Display Mode back more than anything

Me too, it killed me when my 2009 iMac finally died.
Really ****** that it doesn't have it, I have to have a Dell Monitor next to my iMac for working from home

 

[Azrael9]

What if Apple doesn't redesign anything? Then what? Then nothing I guess, but doesn't it seem quite boring to have no dazzle year after year? Seems like a combination of stubbornness and lack of interest. But we keep hoping and even "designing" prototypes ourselves apparently. How hard could it be for them to put a little effort into this?

Then I'll have no choice but to buy anyway in my position. It may well be a lack of interest going into an ARM transition. But that didn't stop them completely redesigning the Mac Pro when they could have just kept the iMac Pro.

Same with the XDR display. Didn't have to do that either.

Hope springs eternal.

1 trillion dollar company. They do things when and if they deem it so, it seems.

All is beans and politics.

But the iMac is an old design.

It's time.

Azrael.

 

[Moonjumper]

The problem is that the iMac screen is already too low and this is lower still. I like the bezels though

It is too high for me. At least you have the option of a riser.

 

[CWallace]

What if Apple doesn't redesign anything? Then what? Then nothing I guess, but doesn't it seem quite boring to have no dazzle year after year? Seems like a combination of stubbornness and lack of interest. But we keep hoping and even "designing" prototypes ourselves apparently. How hard could it be for them to put a little effort into this?

This being Apple, they probably do a lot of surveying of customers that we never hear about and it's possible that what we here on this thread see as a "dated" design is viewed by a majority as "iconic" and something they feel does not - and should not - be changed.

Look at the MacBook Pro - it's undergone iteration over the decades, but it still shares a lot of its design language with the original PowerBook of two decades ago. As others have noted, the Aluminum iMac came out 13 years ago and the Unibody iMac 11 years ago - that is a lot of "legacy" that has been burned into the minds of Apple's customers on what an "iMac" should look like.

 

[macpro2000]

Same trick with 27":

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There is gonna be some kind of chin for sure.

 

[gusping]

I'm with you on the flagship 32 inch 'where have you been all my life?' redesigned iMac 6k XDR with 5700XT for a priced to go £3k.

Stop, just top. I can only dribble so much. That would be my dream Mac.

That is what I want to see at WWDC!

 

[pldelisle]

Well, if £ means British Pounds, that's 5200$ CAD, which is freaking high. 😂

 

[gusping]

There is gonna be some kind of chin for sure.

Would prefer no chin, but I could cope with that I suppose
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Well, if £ means British Pounds, that's 5200$ CAD, which is freaking high. 😂

For what it would be though (6K screen, 5700XT etc), it would be good value. It's a pipe dream, so don't worry.

 

[DrRadon]

I see yet another forum setting itself up for disappointment.

32 inch is the size of my TV....i don't need that, i don't even feel like i "need" 27 inch, i am just going with the bigger one for the powah!!1

 

[scotttnz]

Reading some initial reviews of the 10th gen Intel CPUs..... it’s gonna be a struggle for any all in one machine to cool the i9 and i7 125W “K” parts. What I haven’t seen yet, and am interested in, is a review comparing the performance, power and cooling of the non ”K” 65W parts. They may be more realistic for an iMac??

I was hoping to be reading about new iMacs this morning, but I’ll have to settle for just new CPUs

 

[sublunar]

Reading some initial reviews of the 10th gen Intel CPUs..... it’s gonna be a struggle for any all in one machine to cool the i9 and i7 125W “K” parts. What I haven’t seen yet, and am interested in, is a review comparing the performance, power and cooling of the non ”K” 65W parts. They may be more realistic for an iMac??

I was hoping to be reading about new iMacs this morning, but I’ll have to settle for just new CPUs

With all the software updates today the thought occurs that Apple may in fact have been waiting on a fix for the Catalina 10.15.4 copy bug. It's a long shot but once 10.15.5 is a GM could we then see manufacture starting on a brand new iMac - if that's the idea.

The iMac Pro cooling solution looks after hotter Xeon-based internals than 125w TDP - at a cost of easy access to the RAM.

If it's to be a redesign they could go with 45w MacBook Pro parts, especially if RDNA2 GPUs give sufficient performance at the required TDP. That would allow a lighter Mac if it's t be a revolutionary redesign.

 

[scotttnz]

With all the software updates today the thought occurs that Apple may in fact have been waiting on a fix for the Catalina 10.15.4 copy bug. It's a long shot but once 10.15.5 is a GM could we then see manufacture starting on a brand new iMac - if that's the idea.

The iMac Pro cooling solution looks after hotter Xeon-based internals than 125w TDP - at a cost of easy access to the RAM.

If it's to be a redesign they could go with 45w MacBook Pro parts, especially if RDNA2 GPUs give sufficient performance at the required TDP. That would allow a lighter Mac if it's t be a revolutionary redesign.

The interesting thing is that the 10900K is actually consuming 250W, twice the TDP.

 

[pldelisle]

If it's to be a redesign they could go with 45w MacBook Pro parts, especially if RDNA2 GPUs give sufficient performance at the required TDP. That would allow a lighter Mac if it's t be a revolutionary redesign.

RDNA2 will probably be here only late Q4, IF it's released and have sufficient stocks after the consoles.

And using 45w would imply severe downclock, and Intel is clearly betting everything on its high clock speed.
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The interesting thing is that the 10900K is actually consuming 250W, twice the TDP.

It's only peak for (extremely) short period of time. It cannot handle constant load at 250w. Real full-load, constant TDP is 125w.

 

[sublunar]

RDNA2 will probably be here only late Q4, IF it's released and have sufficient stocks after the consoles.

And using 45w would imply severe downclock, and Intel is clearly betting everything on its high clock speed.

RDNA2 would be for Rev 2 (2021 iMac), RDNA would be for a 'current' generation (unreleased 2020 iMac).

With a 45w CPU - it wouldn't be an iMac - a new product doesn't need to be compared to an existing one because there is no existing 'iMac Air' for the sake of argument.

That's not to say that Apple wouldn't continue with the 65w+ Comet Lake S parts but what if they just soft refresh the iMac so next year ARM iMacs doesn't have to compete with Comet Lake?

It's only peak for (extremely) short period of time. It cannot handle constant load at 250w. Real full-load, constant TDP is 125w.

That's what Pro mode would 'fix' if the user doesn't mind more fan noise for a few hours. But why are they caning an iMac like that?

 

[pldelisle]

Does this Pro mode still exist in more recent betas ?

 

[sublunar]

Does this Pro mode still exist in more recent betas ?

I've not seen any mentions other than the original story regarding macOS Catalina 10.15.3 which seems to be biased towards the MacBook Pro 16" (mention of battery life).

Given that the Comet Lake H CPUs also turbo towards 5GHz you wonder what the performance differentials would be like n a system that had better cooling characteristics or at least a fan that blew faster and louder than normal in a Mac.

 

[carlos700]

One more shout with Polaris and there should be pitch forks and flamings torches waiting from a baying mob.

Polaris should be nowhere on any iMac in 2020.

Maybe Intel Xe graphics will actually be performant. Who knows? Oh yeah, I will grab a pitchfork with you if there is Polaris in the next iMac at any level. More and more I think about it perhaps the 5700 XT should be a $250 card, but with that logic, the RTX 2070 should to since they are similar perf.

 

[AlexGraphicD]

Just for fun, I made an iMac mockup where the screen has the same square size as the old screen + chin, and also reduced the bezel to XDR display level size (1,5cm).

Shockingly, this would allow a 26" display!

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I'll do the same for the 27" too soon

The problem with this type of redesign is that it takes away all the iconic characteristics that the iMac has and makes it look more like a generic LG, Samsung computer screen.

 

[Icaras]

The problem with this type of redesign is that it takes away all the iconic characteristics that the iMac has and makes it look more like a generic LG, Samsung computer screen.

Agreed, but this is easily remedied. Needs a thin chin with the Apple logo and I'd like to see a (vastly) watered down XDR Pro display stand rather than the current stand and call it a day.

 

[Moonjumper]

Well, if £ means British Pounds, that's 5200$ CAD, which is freaking high. 😂

Bear in mind British prices include tax, which is VAT at 20%. I believe Canadian prices are given without the tax included.

 

[Andres Cantu]

There is gonna be some kind of chin for sure.

That chin makes it look better than without one, imo. I want a 24" iMac with that exact design, I prefer the smaller size since I sit close to my iMac so I don't have to wear my glasses.

 

[Icaras]

There is gonna be some kind of chin for sure.

This is all the new redesigned iMac needs to achieve.

 

[JLOAKS]

All I know is if the screen has PWM flicker I'm going to lose my ****.

This is technology that should be as much of a relic as spinning hard drives.