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When do you expect an iMac redesign?

  • 4rd quarter 2019

    Votes: 34 4.1%
  • 1st quarter 2020

    Votes: 23 2.8%
  • 2nd quarter 2020

    Votes: 119 14.5%
  • 3rd quarter 2020

    Votes: 131 15.9%
  • 4rd quarter 2020

    Votes: 172 20.9%
  • 2021 or later

    Votes: 343 41.7%

  • Total voters
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sublunar

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A Mac mini or MacBook Pro would be a step-down in performance from an iMac.

My hope is that if Apple does move everything to miniLED, when they move the iMac 5K (after the iMac Pro 5K) they also come out with an Apple-branded miniLED Thunderbolt Display 5K so that folks have an Apple-branded option besides the Pro XDR display.

I have picked on a specific review of a mini LED equipped monitor - the Asus PA32UCX - which notably shows off how thick the monitor has to be (6cm!) to accommodate the cooling fans for the display and mini LED backlight. One specific quote stands out: 'The fans turn on when the monitor becomes hot, such as when it's playing HDR content.'

And this is just the monitor - remember Apple might have been looking to add a Mac to the back of that which will make the whole thing fairly top heavy.

How will they manage that with a space heater Xeon W22xx or Comet Lake S parts plus RDNA GPU?

Anyone else scoffing at my idea of a Comet Lake H now? :)

Or will the next iMac have a 'fat leg' in the shape of a 'trashcan' to accommodate the computer? :p
 

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I have picked on a specific review of a mini LED equipped monitor - the Asus PA32UCX - which notably shows off how thick the monitor has to be (6cm!) to accommodate the cooling fans for the display and mini LED backlight. One specific quote stands out: 'The fans turn on when the monitor becomes hot, such as when it's playing HDR content.'

And this is just the monitor - remember Apple might have been looking to add a Mac to the back of that which will make the whole thing fairly top heavy.

How will they manage that with a space heater Xeon W22xx or Comet Lake S parts plus RDNA GPU?

Heat might be why only the iMac Pro is rumored to get miniLED for now - it might be the only model that has the available cooling to handle it. Though Apple could dial down the maximum brightness (the XDR and the ASUS can hit well over 1000 nits), as well, which could both help control the heat and give folks a reason to still buy an XDR for a display.
 
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Lol, Praha!

Guys, can we please stop with this theory that Apple needs to delay WWDC for two weeks because they are not capable to reorganise a real life event into to an online event in three and a half month. NoNoNo. They needed * F * O * U * R * month to be able to do that.
 

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What if they just killed the iMac, and replaced it with a 4 or 5k display which you could plug your iPad or MacMini or MacBook into? Seems like they could get you to buy more devices that way.

The value of power versus price in a MacBook is much less than an iMac if the user does not require portability. I would never want to see this scenario ever because I'd rather get much better performance in a much larger screen at the same price of a Mac portable since I have no use case to ever use my Mac other than in my home studio.

Whether we're talking about Intel chips or ARM chips in the future, may the iMac live long and prosper.
 

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I'm almost buying a used 2019 i5 3.7ghz with 580x, but I can't buy it, because the GPU is 4 years old tech. This waiting is horrible.
 
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The value of power versus price in a MacBook is much less than an iMac if the user does not require portability. I would never want to see this scenario ever because I'd rather get much better performance in a much larger screen at the same price of a Mac portable since I have no use case to ever use my Mac other than in my home studio.

Whether we're talking about Intel chips or ARM chips in the future, may the iMac live long and prosper.

Separate issue with implications emerging about people on lockdown or working from home for extended lengths of time.

There will also be the factor of people who still want a laptop because they don't have the space on a desk at home (imagine if an entire household is at home) or don't have the desk space for a bulky desktop machine - booking at the size of the 27".

Those people who need a smaller screen obviously have the 21.5" as an option but for some that will be too small - hence a possible reason for a 23" option coming.

Either way, you don't instantly need a desktop just because you're not chucking a laptop into a rucksack and going to town with it. For some people the convenience factor could be in sitting anywhere they choose in the house - or garden if applicable - and getting on with it with a compact machine.
 

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That 'Infinity' Border of theirs. I wonder if we'll see that 'trim' on the iMac?

And the 'chin' is smaller on the Dell too.

Azrael.

Looks a civilised set-up - the U series CPU is a 15w part - and there's no dGPU - so that Dell appears to be for the people who want that big screen (it's still only 1080P, not even 1440P) but aren't doing too much strenuous with it. Not a lot to cool so the enclosure doesn't have to be overly huge. You can't really ask Apple to cool a 5k panel with mini LED backlights and put the CPU and GPU horsepower in there too.

What if Apple decided make an ultra-slim iMac Air design with tiny bezels (as commonly requested by a vocal minority here) they could drive a 4k 23" panel with the Ice Lake i7-1068G7 found in the 13" Macbook Pro with 4 Thunderbolt ports.

The one thing stopping them might be a decision that a 4k (or even 4.6k) may be too many pixels to drive for the Iris Plus graphics. The next obvious solution would then be to transplant the i7-10750H from this year's presumptive MacBook Pro 16" and use the AMD Pro 5300M/5500M graphics to provide just enough performance to push that many pixels.

With the cooling regime required for miniLED displays I would suspect Apple would have had an extra look at the feasibility of building a next gen iMac Pro, with the existing iMac Pro case being handed down to the 27" iMac but using the existing 27" panel.

So can we then expect a 2020 iMac to have 4 Thunderbolt ports, FaceTime HD camera, and Comet Lake S CPUs but locked away RAM? Apple would have to double standard RAM to 16Gb and also offer 512Gb SSD as a baseline so people buying a base SKU would not feel ripped off at being unable to upgrade later? Or is it a 2021 model and Rocket Lake S with RDNA2 on the horizon instead?

In that case was the 'ready to drop, but delayed' message in March implying the basic storage/RAM bump is being dictated by either marketing as well as supply chain?

Any future iMac Pro would be thicker for sure if a mini LED backlight is on the cards and that's where a full case redesign will probably be necessary. In that eventuality Apple can totally see out the rest of the year with the iMac Pro 2017 on sale - just look out for deals from third party retailers.

Having said that, what if Apple decided it's a bad idea for miniLED iMac Pro to stick everything behind a miniLED screen? And what if a 23" panel could be used in a 4.6K mini LED XDR Pro with Thunderbolt 3 port so ANY Mac can connect to it?

Before we wheel out the inevitable xMac claims, I've suggested before that a headless high base spec Mac might work thus:

• 32Gb RAM (users can replace if they want 128Gb at their own expense or BTO)
• 1Tb SSD (using that custom Apple connector)
• BGA Comet Lake H CPU and soldered AMD RDNA GPU - motherboard replacement should be easy and the cooling solution can be designed specifically for this setup with the expectation that users will be caning it more than the average Mac - it also stops 'enthusiasts' from shoehorning their own K series Comet Lake S CPUs into it.
• 4 Thunderbolt 3 ports

In other words, it's a headless MacBook Pro 16" but with RAM you can replace within a solution that is accessible for cleaning. You are selling easy replaceability of parts for Apple - motherboard, RAM, SSD - not the ability for buyers to buy a base skeleton model and customise it with non Apple parts or economically hang a Samsung X5 SSD off for booting.

Remember Comet Lake H is available up to 8 cores, 16 threads at 3.1GHz if used in 65w cTDP-up mode. If Apple were so minded they could make all of these xMacs i9 only. There is an i9-10885H with 8 cores, 16 threads at 2.4Ghz they could use as a base SKU.

This kind of segmentation would mean an xMac couldn't then pose a benchmark threat to the Mac Pro or iMac Pro but might cater for that small segment of users who want headless power without having to buy the Mac Pro. Perhaps music production guys who might not want audible fans from their computer anywhere near the screen they are using?
 
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Just dropping this here:

Talking about next gen Navi GPU's for new iMac/iMac Pro


They're also taking about current gen GPU's getting a refresh.


More than a little unlikley Apple will use a 500+ mm^2 GPU die + the extra GDDR6 VRAM die space on a iMac. Navi 21 isn't going to fit well inside of an iMac ( or do all that well with the iMac Pro. The Vega + HBM there is far more board space efficient. This "big" Navi isn't going to be board space efficient and for its primary target market (add in cards) it doesn't have to be. ).

Speed bumped Navi10 variants maybe, but most giant GPU possible in AMD line up... isn't an iMac target. May not even be a Mac Pro target ( if a substantive portion of that is some real time ray trace that Apple isn't interested in right now. )
 

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Looks a civilised set-up - the U series CPU is a 15w part - and there's no dGPU - so that Dell appears to be for the people who want that big screen (it's still only 1080P, not even 1440P) but aren't doing too much strenuous with it. Not a lot to cool so the enclosure doesn't have to be overly huge. You can't really ask Apple to cool a 5k panel with mini LED backlights and put the CPU and GPU horsepower in there too.

What if Apple decided make an ultra-slim iMac Air design with tiny bezels (as commonly requested by a vocal minority here) they could drive a 4k 23" panel with the Ice Lake i7-1068G7 found in the 13" Macbook Pro with 4 Thunderbolt ports.

The one thing stopping them might be a decision that a 4k (or even 4.6k) may be too many pixels to drive for the Iris Plus graphics. The next obvious solution would then be to transplant the i7-10750H from this year's presumptive MacBook Pro 16" and use the AMD Pro 5300M/5500M graphics to provide just enough performance to push that many pixels.

With the cooling regime required for miniLED displays I would suspect Apple would have had an extra look at the feasibility of building a next gen iMac Pro, with the existing iMac Pro case being handed down to the 27" iMac but using the existing 27" panel.

So can we then expect a 2020 iMac to have 4 Thunderbolt ports, FaceTime HD camera, and Comet Lake S CPUs but locked away RAM? Apple would have to double standard RAM to 16Gb and also offer 512Gb SSD as a baseline so people buying a base SKU would not feel ripped off at being unable to upgrade later? Or is it a 2021 model and Rocket Lake S with RDNA2 on the horizon instead?

In that case was the 'ready to drop, but delayed' message in March implying the basic storage/RAM bump is being dictated by either marketing as well as supply chain?

Any future iMac Pro would be thicker for sure if a mini LED backlight is on the cards and that's where a full case redesign will probably be necessary. In that eventuality Apple can totally see out the rest of the year with the iMac Pro 2017 on sale - just look out for deals from third party retailers.

Having said that, what if Apple decided it's a bad idea for miniLED iMac Pro to stick everything behind a miniLED screen? And what if a 23" panel could be used in a 4.6K mini LED XDR Pro with Thunderbolt 3 port so ANY Mac can connect to it?

Before we wheel out the inevitable xMac claims, I've suggested before that a headless high base spec Mac might work thus:

• 32Gb RAM (users can replace if they want 128Gb at their own expense or BTO)
• 1Tb SSD (using that custom Apple connector)
• BGA Comet Lake H CPU and soldered AMD RDNA GPU - motherboard replacement should be easy and the cooling solution can be designed specifically for this setup with the expectation that users will be caning it more than the average Mac - it also stops 'enthusiasts' from shoehorning their own K series Comet Lake S CPUs into it.
• 4 Thunderbolt 3 ports

In other words, it's a headless MacBook Pro 16" but with RAM you can replace within a solution that is accessible for cleaning. You are selling easy replaceability of parts for Apple - motherboard, RAM, SSD - not the ability for buyers to buy a base skeleton model and customise it with non Apple parts or economically hang a Samsung X5 SSD off for booting.

Remember Comet Lake H is available up to 8 cores, 16 threads at 3.1GHz if used in 65w cTDP-up mode. If Apple were so minded they could make all of these xMacs i9 only. There is an i9-10885H with 8 cores, 16 threads at 2.4Ghz they could use as a base SKU.

This kind of segmentation would mean an xMac couldn't then pose a benchmark threat to the Mac Pro or iMac Pro but might cater for that small segment of users who want headless power without having to buy the Mac Pro. Perhaps music production guys who might not want audible fans from their computer anywhere near the screen they are using?

Apple could quite easily put that spec you're talking about in a Trash Can or Black NeXt Cube. 8 cores. Decent dGPU and just have an 'iMac Screen' that you buy whether mini up to iMac spec. It would streamline the desktop. To me they had the solution to cover the mini and the iMac with the Can design. Should have just priced it from £999 to £3k. And offered specs accordingly.

The mythical xMac.

Imagine that. Offering the Mac Pro for the uber workstation market. And the Can for everything else. Two models.

1 27 inch 5k monitor.
1 32 inch 6k XDR.

Done.

So I agree with broad swathes of your solution.

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Just dropping this here:

Talking about next gen Navi GPU's for new iMac/iMac Pro


They're also taking about current gen GPU's getting a refresh.

*Scratches head.

So if Apple is having early access on something that is launching in Sept...then an iMac shipping in July could have RDNA2? And products based off that. AMD have a gpu reputation for paper launching. Will this be shipping in volume launch?

Otherwise, this June/July is a bad time to buy with cpu and gpu performance curve set to finally fly to the sun after years or waiting on incremental updates.

Hmmm.

Yes. And no doubt the current 5600-5700 variants will be rebadged into their true 'low end/lower mid' territory before they got price jacked. So you'll have RDNA 1 and 2 co-existing.

RDNA2 gives AMD a full product stack this time around and to finally play in the high end arena once more.

This opens up the possibility of iMacs having RDNA2 from the link supplied. Or some access to that stack. Ray tracing would be nice to have along with more power but greater efficiency. (50% more efficiency lays down better with an iMac than RDNA1 and certainly more so than 'ancient' Polaris.)

Azrael.
 
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More than a little unlikley Apple will use a 500+ mm^2 GPU die + the extra GDDR6 VRAM die space on a iMac. Navi 21 isn't going to fit well inside of an iMac ( or do all that well with the iMac Pro. The Vega + HBM there is far more board space efficient. This "big" Navi isn't going to be board space efficient and for its primary target market (add in cards) it doesn't have to be. ).

Speed bumped Navi10 variants maybe, but most giant GPU possible in AMD line up... isn't an iMac target. May not even be a Mac Pro target ( if a substantive portion of that is some real time ray trace that Apple isn't interested in right now. )

We'll see. Apple surprised withe iMac Pro in some ways. And the custom cards in the Mac Pro suggest anything could happen.

It won't be a 3080 Ti.

But we may get some access to the RDNA2 product stack if it really is 50% more efficient than RDNA1. I doubt it will be the top stack. But if Apple can fit a Vega 64 in an iMac chassis then we'll have to see what they're going to do for this 'substantial' update which is dragging on and on.

Azrael.
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I have picked on a specific review of a mini LED equipped monitor - the Asus PA32UCX - which notably shows off how thick the monitor has to be (6cm!) to accommodate the cooling fans for the display and mini LED backlight. One specific quote stands out: 'The fans turn on when the monitor becomes hot, such as when it's playing HDR content.'

And this is just the monitor - remember Apple might have been looking to add a Mac to the back of that which will make the whole thing fairly top heavy.

How will they manage that with a space heater Xeon W22xx or Comet Lake S parts plus RDNA GPU?

Anyone else scoffing at my idea of a Comet Lake H now? :)

Or will the next iMac have a 'fat leg' in the shape of a 'trashcan' to accommodate the computer? :p

I wouldn't mind them throwing the iMac concept in the bin and having the Can instead. You just plug the 'Can' into a 5k iMac style monitor if it gives more latitude with components.

Or even better. A consumer version of the Mac Pro case that is priced from £999-£3560.

I think the Mac Pro case is a mighty handsome piece of design.

As for 'scoffing.' I think people are just looking at what Apple are doing now. (But I do like your idea of putting it in an xMac. Derool.) So it makes sense they'll use the next variant of the Intel chip already in a 27 inch iMac. The under volting and iMac Pro cooling solutions are there.

You could be right about the 'ready' thing. If they were waiting on supply of the new Intel cpus. Or it could be early access to RDNA2 gpus judging by the links above and the timing of them. Early access to September's RDNA2 launch would put them on a collision course with Apple's shipping of iMacs in July if WWDC is the launch? And doesn't that all tie in with the launch of the 23 inch iMac in the 2nd half of this year?

This seems like the last potential design hurrah of the iMac before the ARM transition. And I have little doubt the 'Air' concept for the iMac will arrive like a giant version of the current iPad on its expensive keyboard case...in due course.

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What if they just killed the iMac, and replaced it with a 4 or 5k display which you could plug your iPad or MacMini or MacBook into? Seems like they could get you to buy more devices that way.

Not. Going. To. Happen.

But if they killed the iMac (and Mini...) for just one xMac that plugs into an iMac monitor? I'll buy it.

Azrael.
 
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Considering how hot Intel's Comet Lake runs. I can't picture those going into the iMac without a redesign. At any rate. I wouldn't expect anything until AMD releases RDNA 2. Which doesn't have a release date yet. So, I wouldn't expect something anytime soon.

See the links. It has a September release...which surprised me. I was expecting from earlier rumours a December paper launch with Consoles soaking up RDNA2.

This changes matters somewhat. If Apple gets early access then September becomes...what? For an iMac launch? Very close.

The Comet CPUs. They'll just under peg them to run at a constant load. Use better heats and / or take the iMac Pro's cooling.

Even Apple's asleep at the wheel desktop division wouldn't ship a fire hazard Mac to iMac customers, right?

Azrael.
 

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I suspect that RDNA2 would be a 2021 product for Apple, not least because AMD would want to make sure Sony and Microsoft got enough silicon to get their consoles off the ground. Would make perfect timing with the 'delayed' miniLED screens.

On the one hand consumer confidence might be hit by a recession at the end of the year, on the other hand they may boom with people stuck at home much of the team either legally (lockdown) or voluntarily - and home video gaming is surely going to be popular this holiday season in my opinion.

This is the year of RDNA for Apple - if they choose to launch an iMac with it - and the iMac Pro case would be the ideal platform for it with no mini LED panels to address this time.

We'll have to see what the 'delayed' iMac turns out to be when it eventually launches. I'm in no doubt that a Coffee Lake storage bump remains on the table but a Comet Lake S refresh is easily suitable for the iMac Pro case and cooling solution with RDNA GPUs.
 

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So, other than a redesign, any reason to wait for the new iMac? Seems like performance would be about the same.

The 2019 iMac is still there to buy right now. And the iMac Pro can be found at a discount because it's 3 years old.

Apple will happily sell you both these out of date computers.

The iMac launch seems imminent with WWDC 4 weeks away and rumours dropping strong hints...of being 'ready' (whatever that means...) to go.

The update is supposed to be 'substantial' (again, whatever that means...)

Depends on whether you think design, new chip, more cores, more ram, ssd as standard, better gpu are 'any reason' to wait as you'll be getting substantially more for your money.

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I saw that thread, it's just sooooo many pages. Can you or someone give an informed opinion on this? thx

Nobody knows that for sure.

A redesign was expected last year. Certainly by me. But we got a 'lazy' spec bump instead. The iMac has had it's 'classic' (*looks...*) design for 'some time' now. If the Mac Mini is anything to do by, it will at least get 'space grey' if nothing else to smarten it up somewhat. And the recent bezel trim on the Macbook 16 inch happened on the 'top' Macbook so why not a bezel trim on the top iMac 27 incher..?

It could be no design refinement of eg Bezels, to just an improvement on the interior cooling...or a mere paint job of space grey.

Could be a more dramatic leap forward with the XDR design language permeating the latest pro display, iPads and pending iPhones.

In context, the silver iMac looks like a sore thumb of the desktop range.

Only Apple. Knows.

At this moment in time.

Azrael.
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I suspect that RDNA2 would be a 2021 product for Apple, not least because AMD would want to make sure Sony and Microsoft got enough silicon to get their consoles off the ground. Would make perfect timing with the 'delayed' miniLED screens.

On the one hand consumer confidence might be hit by a recession at the end of the year, on the other hand they may boom with people stuck at home much of the team either legally (lockdown) or voluntarily - and home video gaming is surely going to be popular this holiday season in my opinion.

This is the year of RDNA for Apple - if they choose to launch an iMac with it - and the iMac Pro case would be the ideal platform for it with no mini LED panels to address this time.

We'll have to see what the 'delayed' iMac turns out to be when it eventually launches. I'm in no doubt that a Coffee Lake storage bump remains on the table but a Comet Lake S refresh is easily suitable for the iMac Pro case and cooling solution with RDNA GPUs.

Christmas gaming is going to be hot this year, eh? PS5, Xthingy....ATV A12X? Annnnnnnnd??????

That being the case, then a gaming eMac 'iMac' (as rumoured...?) might be an iMac with a price hike and include substantial spec and design boosts?

I'd buy an eGamer iMac. But give me my GPU, man...

Azrael.
 
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The 2019 iMac is still there to buy right now. And the iMac Pro can be found at a discount because it's 3 years old.

Apple will happily sell you both these out of date computers.

The iMac launch seems imminent with WWDC 4 weeks away and rumours dropping strong hints...of being 'ready' (whatever that means...) to go.

The update is supposed to be 'substantial' (again, whatever that means...)

Depends on whether you think design, new chip, more cores, more ram, ssd as standard, better gpu are 'any reason' to wait as you'll be getting substantially more for your money.

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Nobody knows that for sure.

A redesign was expected last year. Certainly by me. But we got a 'lazy' spec bump instead. The iMac has had it's 'classic' (*looks...*) design for 'some time' now. If the Mac Mini is anything to do by, it will at least get 'space grey' if nothing else to smarten it up somewhat. And the recent bezel trim on the Macbook 16 inch happened on the 'top' Macbook so why not a bezel trim on the top iMac 27 incher..?

It could be no design refinement of eg Bezels, to just an improvement on the interior cooling...or a mere paint job of space grey.

Could be a more dramatic leap forward with the XDR design language permeating the latest pro display, iPads and pending iPhones.

In context, the silver iMac looks like a sore thumb of the desktop range.

Only Apple. Knows.

At this moment in time.

Azrael.
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Christmas gaming is going to be hot this year, eh? PS5, Xthingy....ATV A12X? Annnnnnnnd??????

That being the case, then a gaming eMac 'iMac' (as rumoured...?) might be an iMac with a price hike and include substantial spec and design boosts?

I'd buy an eGamer iMac. But give me my GPU, man...

Azrael.
I'll be waiting to see if pricing gets better, like more SSD storage at a lower price. But if performance is about the same, don't see how newer chips would be worth it.
 

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This is the year of RDNA for Apple - if they choose to launch an iMac with it - and the iMac Pro case would be the ideal platform for it with no mini LED panels to address this time.
I am already mentally prepared for 2021. However, it is likely that iMac Pro will be released earlier (first) with RDNA2 and Mini-LED. Or at least it is announced in advance so that we can know what to expect and when. It is more expensive, but for myself I am considering between regular future iMac and iMac Pro. Let's see, there is not very much left to wait.
 

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Considering the 2013 Mac Pro struggled to cool a ~150W CPU and two ~275W GPUs, I'm not sure it's a logical choice for trying to cool desktop CPUs that can pull over 200W and workstation GPUs that can draw close to 500W.

Unless they make the third plane of the triangle a cold-plate. :p
 

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I am already mentally prepared for 2021. However, it is likely that iMac Pro will be released earlier (first) with RDNA2 and Mini-LED. Or at least it is announced in advance so that we can know what to expect and when. It is more expensive, but for myself I am considering between regular future iMac and iMac Pro. Let's see, there is not very much left to wait.

If Apple is getting early pass access to RDNA2...then there's every possibility we'll see iMac/iMac Pro both launched at WWDC. Will they stay as is? Or consolidate the line? (I'd be quite happy with the latter to give consumers a more refined iMac experience.)

True. Not long to wait.

2021. Given it's taken a year to get RDNA1 on a mainstream desktop Mac....and we're still waiting. But with RDNA2 on 'early access' this could change. 'Typical' Apple says we'll wait another year for RDNA2. My hope says 'early access' means teh Apple cart is up ended and all bets are off.

It depends on what 'substantial' means. A few moving parts of RDNA2 for Sep' launch with 'early' access to RDNA2 for Apple(?), LED rumours, 23 inch iMac rumours..., 'substantial', 'ready'...snippets of different things. The Intel CPU having just launched. Lots of things going on there.

Which way is the right way? Said Alice.

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Considering the 2013 Mac Pro struggled to cool a ~150W CPU and two ~275W GPUs, I'm not sure it's a logical choice for trying to cool desktop CPUs that can pull over 200W and workstation GPUs that can draw close to 500W.

Unless they make the third plane of the triangle a cold-plate. :p

Ye-ah...but Apple are going to have to do 'something.'

It's what happens when you are stuck with one vendor. Both Intel cpus and AMD gpus have had heat issues. Both AMD cpus and Nivida gpus have had better efficiency.

Or when you design things a certain way. Eg. Too thin or not sufficient cooling. Design choices can limit specs and contribute to problems like paying more for comparatively under performing parts. Instead of offering the Mac Pro case to all desktops and democratising the desktop line up in terms of value, parts, cpu, gpu choices. These are choices Apple's desktop has made. And it's up to consumers to go along with it or not... Which certainly limits when I can buy them or seeking the 'best' time to buy them.

But don't let politics get in the way of the best deal for the consumer, right Tim?

It's either underclock/volt them (...not that Apple would ever do such a thing...) or put in better cooling. Or both.

The Mac Pro with the right choice of 8 core 65 watt parts with the 'right' AMD Radeon would be 'just fine' in a 'Can.' It could have just been a 'xMac.' And priced accordingly. It would give more lattitude for 8 cores and a dGPU than that 'mini.' But the 'Can' is over. Dead. I sometimes wonder what Apple was/is thinking...

Azrael.
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I'll be waiting to see if pricing gets better, like more SSD storage at a lower price. But if performance is about the same, don't see how newer chips would be worth it.

You and me both. It won't be the 1st time Apple have issued a 'non' update. Or a side grade for a gpu. Or been stuck on '4' cores for a while...and we eventually got 6 (and 8) cores last year. If they're keeping prices the same (can you see them doing a price cut? :p then I'd like far more value from from ram, ssd, gpu and cpu.

Any non-design side grade and you may as well buy last year's model in the sale.

My feeling is this year's model has more opportunities to be more substantial. And until it's announced, and reading the 'tea leaves' so far...I'll keep hoping.

Azrael.
 
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