Thanks. I’ve had 8.5 years trouble free and 6 months of steadily reducing performance/reliability, so am looking for a long term replacement that will last as well as my current one.
Holding out for WWDC! ??
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Thanks. I’ve had 8.5 years trouble free and 6 months of steadily reducing performance/reliability, so am looking for a long term replacement that will last as well as my current one.
Holding out for WWDC! ??
But guys, don't worry.
The more we wait towards the WWDC, the more it's likely to get redesign.
The invite itself has a really good clue about the redesign with the Hello mention.
Newer Intel CPUs must be better cooled to operate.
AMD has RDNA1.0 GPUs in massive stocks.
Apple favours iCloud for more storage. It will likely abandon the Fusion Drive and go with all SSD with T2 chip, the only model not getting this already.
I personally don't think it's going to be a spec bump.
The more we wait towards the WWDC, the more it's likely to get redesign.
The invite itself has a really good clue about the redesign with the Hello mention.
Newer Intel CPUs must be better cooled to operate.
AMD has RDNA1.0 GPUs in massive stocks.
Apple favours iCloud for more storage. It will likely abandon the Fusion Drive and go with all SSD with T2 chip, the only model not getting this already.
I personally don't think it's going to be a spec bump.
I guess my 'old' Apple 'loyalty' card still has some points on it.
Good to see your contribution, Satchmo.
Think you've succinctly nailed Apple to the cross there better than I have.
Yeah. I thought the Surface Desktop AiO would bolster Apple's design resolve. They completely ignored it. As it probably didn't affect their Mac sales directly. And about Apple caring? *nods.
If only for Prides sakes.
Azrael.
[QUOTE="satchmo, post: 28514064, member: 213954"As innovative as the Surface Studio is, I wonder if it's actually gained any traction/sales. You'd think it would kick start Apple, but it's such a niche product that I wonder if Apple even cares./QUOTE]
I’m not sure if the Surface line is even on Apples radar, they sell more iPads than the Surface Pro, I think even the dates iMac outsells the Surface Studio. Apple really should look at what Microsoft have been doing tho, I think hardware wise Microsoft have been killing it. What is a deterrent for me is Windows.
I’m not sure if the Surface line is even on Apples radar, they sell more iPads than the Surface Pro, I think even the dates iMac outsells the Surface Studio. Apple really should look at what Microsoft have been doing tho, I think hardware wise Microsoft have been killing it. What is a deterrent for me is Windows.
I think you're spot on here.
The closer we're drawn to the WWDC the inevitable happens. Redesign. And the cooling issue won't go away. I hope they address it. With the new Intel cpus it seems they'll have to. There's no shortage of AMD gpus at the moment, they've been available for a year.
No mere spec bump the longer 'this' goes on.
You could be right about the 'Hello'...it's inextrically linked with the destiny of iMac. The fact that it's on the back of a Macbook is mute. It's a hint. They're not going to show 'hello' on the back of the iMac. It would give the game away.
This is the next 'hello.'
Azrael.
Exactly
unless your names Jon Prosser. That guys has leaked a lot and must have someone inside Apple.
Here you go.
Azrael.
I had to perform this on my Late 2012 iMac. I had the screen off already to put in an SSD so I figured I might as well. Dealing with that spring in the hinge was a bitch.
@Azrael9 remember the time we could buy a notebook from Apple and we could pick if we want glossy or matte?
It just hit me today watching the iMac video how much Apple forced us into that glossy direction no one really asked for.
I have 15" 2017 MBP and I have to say that its the worst computer I've ever had from Apple. Its loud, its glossy (that won't change I guess unless I go for XDR) and it has the ****** touchbar that again no one asked for and its totally useless junk.
I literally cannot wait for the iMac update so I can finally get a real computer and leave this 'toy' in the 'school backyard' for the kids
Anyway, I'm betting on WWDC. I feel its not happening before - with this new platform, Apple will want something to have spotlight and iMac is the only thing left.
If they do this just software event then I think people won't be too happy. Not because WWDC is about products but its because its the first digital WWDC so you would want to have some kind of cake for those that are non developers and will watch too.
Unless the successor to Catalina is amazing I doubt they can make an interesting WWDC without some sort of 'nice' surprise product.
It just hit me today watching the iMac video how much Apple forced us into that glossy direction no one really asked for.
I have 15" 2017 MBP and I have to say that its the worst computer I've ever had from Apple. Its loud, its glossy (that won't change I guess unless I go for XDR) and it has the ****** touchbar that again no one asked for and its totally useless junk.
I literally cannot wait for the iMac update so I can finally get a real computer and leave this 'toy' in the 'school backyard' for the kids
Anyway, I'm betting on WWDC. I feel its not happening before - with this new platform, Apple will want something to have spotlight and iMac is the only thing left.
If they do this just software event then I think people won't be too happy. Not because WWDC is about products but its because its the first digital WWDC so you would want to have some kind of cake for those that are non developers and will watch too.
Unless the successor to Catalina is amazing I doubt they can make an interesting WWDC without some sort of 'nice' surprise product.
The old rumour about the gaming Mac comes back... and it's an interesting interpretation.
@Azrael9 remember the time we could buy a notebook from Apple and we could pick if we want glossy or matte?
It just hit me today watching the iMac video how much Apple forced us into that glossy direction no one really asked for.
I have 15" 2017 MBP and I have to say that its the worst computer I've ever had from Apple. Its loud, its glossy (that won't change I guess unless I go for XDR) and it has the ****** touchbar that again no one asked for and its totally useless junk.
I literally cannot wait for the iMac update so I can finally get a real computer and leave this 'toy' in the 'school backyard' for the kids
Anyway, I'm betting on WWDC. I feel its not happening before - with this new platform, Apple will want something to have spotlight and iMac is the only thing left.
If they do this just software event then I think people won't be too happy. Not because WWDC is about products but its because its the first digital WWDC so you would want to have some kind of cake for those that are non developers and will watch too.
Unless the successor to Catalina is amazing I doubt they can make an interesting WWDC without some sort of 'nice' surprise product.
I don't have a Mac with Touch Bar, mine is far too old (2013). But I don't see why people dislike it. It's a nice feature I think now that it has a dedicated ESC key. It adds something for developers to play with, adds dynamic functionalities ... I personally like the idea even if I still doesn't have it (and will likely not in the next years since I'm going with an iMac instead of a laptop).
This could make sense. The iMac Pro was a stop gap so they could kill it now that the Mac Pro is out.
However, they could also entice different market (in this case gamers) etc. as most of us we like to work hard but play hard also so occasional gaming is often one thing to consider.
So, if it doesn't happen in the iMac then iMac Pro could be a 'new' machine. Maybe
Personally, I would prefer smaller version of Mac Pro box + scaled down (specs+price) version of the XDR and I would call it a day.
Tower is what I call a computer and the expandability etc. is just amazing. You can plug any screen you want into it and if something breaks you can deal with it easily. iMac or MBP screen breaks and you have pretty much dead machine (although you could plug in another screen I guess but you know what I mean, right?)
However, they could also entice different market (in this case gamers) etc. as most of us we like to work hard but play hard also so occasional gaming is often one thing to consider.
So, if it doesn't happen in the iMac then iMac Pro could be a 'new' machine. Maybe
Personally, I would prefer smaller version of Mac Pro box + scaled down (specs+price) version of the XDR and I would call it a day.
Tower is what I call a computer and the expandability etc. is just amazing. You can plug any screen you want into it and if something breaks you can deal with it easily. iMac or MBP screen breaks and you have pretty much dead machine (although you could plug in another screen I guess but you know what I mean, right?)
The odds seem pretty high that the ARM transition will be the spotlight of WWDC. I wouldn't be mad if we get a sneak peak of a 2021 ARM iMac though.
Thanks but I'm not sure if that cleared things up. I'm aware of the fact about the X-factor. Since AMD didn't have any new GPUs to offer after 2017 they just changed the clock speed a little to be able to offer and sell the same GPUs as new ones in 2019.
As said before I shared your opinion about the latest GPUs in iMac but pldelisle wrote that they all are mobile GPUs and surely when I checked they are. The description for Radeon Pro 580X, Pro Vega 48, 56 and 64 says "professional mobile graphics chip". Look for yourself.
I guess we could call them Apple specific GPUs, neither mobile or fully desktop, because Apple always orders and puts special GPU models in their computers to satisfy their special needs. It doesn't matter but I'm still sure that iMacs with the same GPU as MBP can perform better because of larger chassi and better cooling, hence faster clocked GPU. Here is a comparison. A 21.5" iMac 2019 Radeon Pro 560X is 2x faster in Unigine than a MBP 15" 2018 with the same GPU. Therefore I don't think it's completely fair to judge the performance of a new rumored iMac with Radeon 5500 by looking at a MBP with the same chip.
I guess we could call them Apple specific GPUs, neither mobile or fully desktop, because Apple always orders and puts special GPU models in their computers to satisfy their special needs.
Therefore I don't think it's completely fair to judge the performance of a new rumored iMac with Radeon 5500 by looking at a MBP with the same chip.
Totally true. The clock speed of these chips (and TDP, which is directly a consequence of the clock speed) is configurable. Apple can order chips that are desktop chips, but severely underclock and configure TDP to adapt to the cooling system while still achieving reasonable performance numbers. These chips would then sit in-between mobile and desktop grade performance.
Sounds like any eGaming Mac is a by product of Apple simply updating the iMacs this year.
Any RDNA1 gpu in the iMac and RDNA2 in the iMac Pro makes them defacto better at gaming after years in the wilderness.
This automatically fleshes out the Apple Arcade ecosphere at the 'top end' of this 'ecosphere' of 'high end casual gaming' but not a direct challenger to 'PC gaming' as such. Though it will be closer than it has been as soon as you put RDNA1 and 2 in any desktop Mac. (I don't include the Mac Pro in this. At all. But if they released an eGaming Tower? Yes please.)
Azrael.
@Azrael9 remember the time we could buy a notebook from Apple and we could pick if we want glossy or matte?
It just hit me today watching the iMac video how much Apple forced us into that glossy direction no one really asked for.
I have 15" 2017 MBP and I have to say that its the worst computer I've ever had from Apple. Its loud, its glossy (that won't change I guess unless I go for XDR) and it has the ****** touchbar that again no one asked for and its totally useless junk.
I literally cannot wait for the iMac update so I can finally get a real computer and leave this 'toy' in the 'school backyard' for the kids
Anyway, I'm betting on WWDC. I feel its not happening before - with this new platform, Apple will want something to have spotlight and iMac is the only thing left.
If they do this just software event then I think people won't be too happy. Not because WWDC is about products but its because its the first digital WWDC so you would want to have some kind of cake for those that are non developers and will watch too.
Unless the successor to Catalina is amazing I doubt they can make an interesting WWDC without some sort of 'nice' surprise product.
Hello Freida,
Yes. I do remember when Apple offered creative folks a 'choice.' (Hey, remember when...) Even with the 'more' choice we 'appear' to have 'these days' we seem to have 'less' than with old Apple's 2x2=4 grid system under Jobs. ie. You had a choice of a low end or high end tower at a reasonable price. You had a choice of a low or high end iMac at a reasonable price. And yes. Apple displays. For a reasonable price.
I recall them offering matt screens for laptops and many users being vocal about that preference. My main thing about displays is having glass rather than plastic. Whether TV, iPads, Laptops or iMacs. I don't like pressing on the screen and seeing the 'rainbow squidge.' :O
I understand why people go 'laptops.' I do. You get to take your work with you and go from base camp to base camp whether that's a coffee shop or the office or the kitchen table at home. I used an iBook once upon a time. Did some decent creative work on it. (Photoshop, blue screen comping, flash presentations, sound work etc.)
However, I found it's 12-13 inch screen pokey and the fans would blow occasionally when it was pushed. Laptops just seemed (to me) like a desktop you could move from table to table. Not something you could snuggle with on eg. the sofa aka with the iPad. But for some, you'd pry their Macbook Pro 16 incher from their cold, dead hands. The misteps of the touch strip and the terrible, simple terrible Macbook keyboards didn't drap the fabled Macbook Pro in any glory.
As for glossy. I don't think anyone really wants to see reflections and artifact distractions on the screen so the less of that the better.
Now that Apple is a trillion dollar company, in some ways they offer less choice. (eg. 1 monitor. And it costs £5k plus stand at £1k?) Old Steve Jobs Apple offering 3 different displays. Some CRT, some flat panel. And at prices the tower buyers could access. Not some 'over the top' niche product, whilst sexy and hitting it's intended market...has left the 5k for £1k monitor empty in terms of an Apple badged monitor. Or a 4k monitor for around £500. It's as if unless there's a ridiculous profit margin on something...Apple won't offer it. They just won't bother.
My biggest beef with the Macbook Pro of that year was Apple muted introduced the meh touch strip whilst M$ offering a truly next gen iMac 'touch' concept around the same time in the desktop Studio AiO touch. I'd never expected M$ to do that. Yet along go toe to toe with Apple on a launch in their own creative back yard and hammer them with a better iMac concept. And it was truly an embarrassing moment as a Mac fan for M$ to upstage Apple like that. A changing of the guard moment. It's not often M$ have buried Apple (outside of the tsunami Windows 95 'event', oh and windows gaming...) but they buried Apple design wise that day.
And here we are, 3 years later and no design revamp. *Looks.*
The good news. It *seems* like the redesign is happening. It's 'not' the Mac Pro mainstream tower I'm or (we're?) longing for...but any 'substantial' iMac spec and redesign gives a lot more bang for the buck. If they can keep the Intel cpus and Radeon 5700 cool under load, they've done their job and it would be a worthy purchase. The iMac is the only thing left and it's time to bake a new cake. Given the context of this year's 'late' WWDC then an exciting piece of Mac hardware hits the sweet spot and for those with a sweet 'Mac' tooth. Just 'software' announcements won't 'do it' for me.
Azrael.
I'd expect to hear about Mac ARM this year. If they're releasing hardware next year. If that's only a software transition of technologies...eg. compiling and marzipan+++ but you'd expect a Mac ARM beta product to help the devs wrap their head around it. Maybe even previews of Final Cut and Logic demo'd on iPad Pro 12.9s? And/or on a Macbook ARM product?
Azrael.
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That would be terrific as that's the best thing about the current iPad. It's super smooth. That might tie in great with the eGamer iMac rumour.
The one thing gamers want at the moment? High refresh.
Azrael.
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I think an eGamer Mac Pro at £2.5k to £5k would make sense. But if it happens to be an iMac Pro, I can live with that.
Like you say, a smaller version of the Mac Pro box and scaled down XDR and I'd have that on instant buy.
And I concur with your views. The 'tower' is what I also call a computer with proper expandability (and fair play to the Mac Pro, looks fantastic and runs silent!) Plug any screen into it...and can replace that element. And the keyboard too (in the case of Macbooks...) without a pricey repair...'just for a keyboard' (or if you don't like the design innovation Apple sometimes has for the 'typing' experience.)
I'd happily surrender the iMac's 5k display to have a tower in the same price range. To me, it's a 'true' Mac.
As for gaming in general. I love to do my creative work. But enjoying the 'odd' game on my Mac was a sacred experience. Eg. Marathon Trinity by Bungie. I bought the boxed set of all 3 games. And the level creator. Great narrative, fun sound and solid graphics and more interesing than Doom for me. Excellent. Ah...the days of my old PowerMac (clone) 604e. £1999 at the time...and I bought a D2 21 inch CRT monitor that cost just over a £1k.
I'd rather than been burned at the stake then game on Windows at the time.
Azrael.
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I think from here on in...things are beginning to drop, rumour wise. And this will intensify.
Azrael.
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Thats what I have been saying all along. Not sure why some people thought it was coming out this month.
A WWDC release means Apple could make a big splash with a redesign announcement. I’m placing my bets on the event.
I think it was originally meant for a March redesign, along with the iPad Pro, and MacBook Updates but because the event was canceled they wanted the iMac to highlight WWDC.
We can not expect any spec bump for several months cause the Intel 10th gen CPU just released and it will take several months to adopt it on Mac and it has been proven several times. The fastest adoption was 1 month for MacBook Series in 2019.
Patience. Discipline.
Better not to be 'ok' with something. Wait until the iMac drops and then assess the new iMac vs the Macbook Pro for your needs.
It seems...you'll have your answer real soon.
The WWDC is mere weeks away...
You could always get prepared by salivating now...
Azrael.
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Announced late June shipping July.
Between that and the 'May' launch...there is your several months.
Azrael.
Patience. Discipline.
Better not to be 'ok' with something. Wait until the iMac drops and then assess the new iMac vs the Macbook Pro for your needs.
It seems...you'll have your answer real soon.
The WWDC is mere weeks away...
You could always get prepared by salivating now...
Azrael.
Eh, even if a redesigned iMac drops soon, it is so late at this point that I have to think if I can wait until they offer refurbished models in the Apple refurbished store or find some used deals on eBay. I hate paying Apple a premium for a "brad new" computer when I can get the same quality for much cheaper.