That’s a fair point. I’m a particularly private person, so I don’t use such services. Googling my very unique name pulls up nothing, I keep everything local, no company has my true phone number, etc.
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Will you leave the Apple ecosystem because of CSAM?
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That’s a fair point. I’m a particularly private person, so I don’t use such services. Googling my very unique name pulls up nothing, I keep everything local, no company has my true phone number, etc.
You really are dense. "No human is physically grabbing my phone and looking through it". THEY DON'T NEED TO. YOU'RE AGREEING TO LET IT HAPPEN BY A MACHINE.
I don't need to physically have access to my iPhone to disable / wipe it. Apple won't need physical access to your phone to look through it.
I'm trying to figure out if you're just not getting it, or if you're just trolling at this point.
I just find it so weird that they've designed this system to specifically keep everything ON YOUR PHONE, that is, until you accumulate 30 photos of CSAM. At that point, you deserve what you get, but for everyone else, it's literally a non-issue.
What if find strange is that people are 100% okay with all their documents scanned in the cloud, but for some reason if it's scanned on your phone, then it's bad. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
It's a fair point... until you realize that Apple, with the flip of a switch, can just scan your device, and you don't have to use iCloud. I mean, literally, a few bytes of code.
... and you can guarantee the EULA will allow for that.
Thats an assumption. When companies are able to scan your photos to send you ads, or when China (which Apple is a happy bitch-boy to) decides to have them scan for "anti-china" images for Chinese residents, THEN we have a MAJOR problem, that's you've not even lifted a finger to prevent.
Youre WHOLE argument is that you are ASSUMING it wont grow farther than it will, even while Apple already was searching your iCloud email, and VERY MUCH are likely to grow this technology into other things.
Apple's argument is that iCloud was a huge place for Child porn.... How did they know that it they were not already scanning things that are supposedly encrypted?
Because... once again... if I upload it to the cloud, I'm making a choice and agreeing to the TOS of the cloud provider.
With Apple's scanning, that choice is being taken away. It's a difference between being REACTIVE (upload naughty files to Dropbox, get what you get) versus PROACTIVE (Images are scanned on your device without you having any choice in the matter). Do you see the difference now?
Couldn't they already do that though? I mean, they already have the technology sitting in your phone to do all kinds of crazy things, they just don't.
Choosing to not use cloud storage is a heck of a lot easier than choosing to not use a smartphone/iPad. Apple crossed the line on this one.
Funny thing is, iCloud has always been like that. You can't pick and choose what gets uploaded and what doesn't. It still is your choice to use iCloud or not. Turn it off and NOTHING is "scanned". Hard concept to grasp I see.
iCloud servers are Apples house. They can do what ever they want there I agree to it when putting my files in their house. MY phone is MY house. Stay the hell out of MY house.
If you can guarantee the EULA will allow for that, then you should be able to link to said line in the EULA. Until then, I'm not going to take my advice from anyone on this site.
The other sad part of this is... it's not even really preventing new cases of child abuse. The images that are in the CSAM database (yes, some law enforcement training and I have seen some of the images in a demonstration of online CSAM distribution), are pretty old. I mean, kids that are now adults, or already dead. It's just monitoring you for IMAGES that are illegal to OWN. That doesn't mean that someone with those images is going to act on them; that's up to the courts / law enforcement.
The act of uploading a file means you're giving Apple that file. What part of that don't you get? The scanning only takes place during the upload process, not before. Your device isn't constantly being monitored. If you don't upload anything, nothing is scanned. Get it now?
And you trust Apple to NEVER flip a switch for scanning on your phone no matter if you use iCloud or not? I sure as HELL do NOT trust ANY corporation. They are moved by MONEY ALONE.
Apple controls all the software on your device. At the flip of a switch they can do anything they want. Do you agree to the terms of service when you update?
If you don't trust any corporation, you must not own anything, let alone a smartphone.
Just get rid of all your gadgets and go off the grid. Not sure why you even own an apple device in the first place is that's your attitude.
That they are. This scanning gives them no money and makes them no money…in fact, it looks like they will be losing money…from people not upgrading, not using iCloud, not recommending iDevices, etc.
is the file in my house(phone)? Yes
is the SCANNING in my house(phone)? Yes
Then its a problem.
If they want to scan it, then let them scan it FROM the server when its IN transit, on is being processed ON their server.
And when they do something, I don't want them to, that laptop will be in the trash.
Your logic is so massively flawed that at this point I'm sure your either TRYING to be obtuse or your mental walls are just thinker than Nicki Minaj.
That's what they're doing though. They actually see nothing about your photo library until 30 photos are found to be CSAM. At that point, there's a secondary server-side scan, then if it still somehow passes through that, it's up for human review and then if it passes through that, then it's showed to the NECMC, then if they determine it's still CP, it goes to police.
Sadly I HEAVILY doubt that people will care enough, or even the average person ever really even understand how any of this works enough, or even remember it 3-6mo later to dent their wallets any.
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