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Will you leave the Apple ecosystem because of CSAM?
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Many never make it to court.
LE is always looking to use the small fish to get bigger fish.
I have a personal friend who works in the 'tech' department of a SoCal police department. His JOB is to find ways to get this data.. he will tell you point blank he cannot search without a warrant... for anything.. hell, nowadays even with a warrant the user can block access if they don't comply. I just sent him a text to get his thoughts on this.
Yeah.. He works for the GOVERNMENT -- he can't search without a warrant.
Apple isn't the government. They're a private company that you have a contract with. Don't like the contract (which, BTW is something called an "adhesion contract" -- you don't have any say in the terms of that contract.) don't use the device or upgrade the software. But, in NO CASE does it become a constitutional issue.
For those in the back that couldn't hear the first time: THE CONSTITUTION PROTECTS YOU AGAINST THE GOVERNMENT AND GOVERNMENT OVERREACH. IT DOES NOT PROTECT YOU AGAINST PRIVATE COMPANIES.
You can't go to jail for saying nasty things about the government, but you can be told to GTFO of a private business for standing on their table and screaming nasty things about that private business.
Don't want to wear a mask? You can't be in a private place and will be told to leave. Oh, it's against your religion to wear a mask? (Apart from this being blatant BS) Your religion DOESN'T MATTER -- and the private business DOES NOT NEED TO DO ANYTHING SPECIAL FOR YOU BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE IN A SKY FAIRY. The government, on the other hand, can't make a law that would make it illegal to worship (or not worship) anything.
Did you miss the part about the concern being the government passing a law to force Apple to provide data?
Your mask example is a perfect example. The government has said they cannot mandate a vaccine.. so what they did was tell corporations, through regulations, that they had to force vaccinations. Whether I am pro or anti vax.. I am not a fan of that path. I think there is a term for when corporations become an enforcement arm of the government.
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All those box stores should put a scanner at the entrances too.
If it beeps the greeter can flag you over and tell you you're going to have some 'issues' when you leave unless they find out what's causing the sensors to false.
WTF? The government **CAN** mandate a vaccine 100%. George Washington did it all the way back in the 18th century. There's a myriad of court decisions saying the same thing.
And, if you're not vaxxed already -- go get it. It's FREE and includes super amazing 5G personal coverage for your iPhone -- let's it find all the child porn even faster!
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Um, did I ever ask you to prove anything? No, I didn't.
I've already explained how you're not protected by the 4th Amendment here, but let me explain it again. As another user mentioned, the US Constitution is between the government and private citizens or private entities. It's not between private entities and private citizens. For example, you have no right to free speech at the local dollar store. If you stand up and start giving a political speech in one of the aisles, they can ask you to leave the store, refuse to do business with you, etc. and you can be arrested if you refuse to leave. And you have no legal recourse against that based on the First Amendment. It doesn't protect you in that case.
Back to the main point of this thread.. the concern that the government will use private companies to scan for desired material... via 'law'.
In your example though, employees who don't get vaccinated would pose a risk to the workplace. It's no different than a company "forcing" you to wear gloves or follow safety guidelines to protect you and others while working.
Tech companies have certain rules or terms of service meant to protect them and the user. This site has rules that prevent hateful people from attacking people for their race or gender identity and ruining the flow of discussion, if you or anyone else gets banned for hate speech it's not a freedom of speech issue.
Funny, my company.. in the healthcare realm, doesn't require vaccinations.. I can't believe our CEO would put our employees at risk!
I have zero clue what kind of job you have, but in my last job, it was a retail job where I dealt with customers. Not being vaccinated would have been a nightmare for my store and the customers. And even before the pandemic, safety was important when you had heavy machines moving around and heavy pallets going up and down the shelves.
The government pushing vaccines or any other safety regulation is far from a bad thing, honestly.
Ok, well they're not using Apple to do that, so I prefer to talk about reality, not hypotheticals. Apple could go rogue at any time just like any other company. My parents could turn on me and have me murdered too, I suppose. Let's just say it's not something I stay awake at night worrying about.
Well, there are options--although how usable those options are is another question. A deGoogled phone, for example, would work--but they may be too limiting for some. Interestingly, I've read at least one comment elsewhere from someone who'd used deGoogled phones, and decided to move to an iPhone as a more practical choice for real world use.
Plus these other options aren't an easy off the shelf buy.
For "normal" users, I can imagine two common scenarios if this technology gets released (and after a period for the dust to settle):
- People will be irritated, but stick with the iPhone because they view it as lesser evil.
- People will head to Android, figuring "it's going to spy on me, no matter what, and so I might as well just buy Android and save some money!"
At..Risk..?? For what?!? Not dying from a preventable illness? Not leaving your family to deal with a dead you? And, even IF you live, do you really want to get long-haul Covid?
Honestly, best part of my day is LMAO on the r/HermanCainAward subreddit at all the award winners who think they're special and they somehow won't die or end up with a cornucopia of health issues as a result of being unvaccinated.
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A society's freedom is defined by the rights we, the majority, give to the minority. In other words, it's defined by the rights we give to people we disagree with. The fact that you think abuses of government power can only be recognized if you're in the camp of people being abused is disturbing; this would actually imply you don't agree with the principles of freedom at all as you seem to think abuse of power is seen through some lens of moral relativism which is an entirely bogus concept as far as I'm concerned.
Well, I don't agree with you. I don't think groups like the KKK or American Family Association should be allowed a space to spread their ideas because their ideas lead to a limit of other people's rights. Freedom for all is impossible because some people will use their freedom to limit others.
Also, CSAM detection is not a government power.
Exactly, it didn't go over your head. Just...others.
These days I hate to break it to you....Android 12 may be gathering less data than where Apple is headed. I can give very granular permissions on Android 12.
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