Windows 11

[maflynn]

...but only their own ! And additionnally that integration works only well with paid cloud subscriptions.

This both windows/macs strength and Achille's heal. Windows supports a huge array of hardware, software and services, on a level that macOS could never come close, but on the other hand, since Apple controls the hardware and software the integrations they do support are typically better in how its implemented

Nor microsoft neither Apple have my credit card number. And without that the integration between devices using local resources is better in Microsoft's universe.

So I assume then you don't pay for any MS or Apple services? You mentioned android, does google have your credit card? While on one level I agree that I prefer not having CC given to anyone, if I need to operate on any level and use any service/software then some companies will need my credit card. On a score of 1 to 10 safety/security, having either Apple or MS store my credit card, I would rank them 9. I'm sure Google is just as good, but since I don't pay for any google services, there's no reason to store my cc.

 

[rin67630]

So I assume then you don't pay for any MS or Apple services? You mentioned android, does google have your credit card?

Neither. Should I want to pay for an app or service, I would do it over a prepaid card.
Else, once they have your payment data, it's just too easy to slip into a subscription scheme.

 

[maflynn]

Microsoft addresses Windows Recall backlash, promises to fix security issues and make it opt-in

Additionally, Microsoft says it will make Windows Recall an opt-in experience, meaning it won't be enabled by default on Copilot+ PCs. Users will be prompted to enable or disable it during Windows Setup, and if they choose not to enable It, the feature will not function.

Looks like it will not be enabled by default.

 

[LeeW]

On a score of 1 to 10 safety/security, having either Apple or MS store my credit card, I would rank them 9. I'm sure Google is just as good, but since I don't pay for any google services, there's no reason to store my cc.

I would agree with that. Giving someone like Apple, MS or Google my card is not committing anything to the Devil. I would be way less comfortable giving it directly to an app provider.

In any event, I have an account with Revolut, an online-only bank in the UK. Its only purpose is internet transactions, and it only ever has enough money to pay for transactions and subscriptions. If I am making a one-off purchase, I just move the money from my main bank to Revolut. It takes seconds, so it's no big deal.

For me, that's just common sense. I don't want my main banking account disrupted by a cancelled card because of fraud, and it's not usable for any time. It also provides virtual one-time cards for those I am more wary of.

Looks like it will not be enabled by default.

Right approach. Opt in, not opt out.

 

[maflynn]

Microsoft pulls release preview build of Windows 11 24H2 after Recall controversy

Looks like they're pulling preview to re-work Recall given the pushback

 

[pshufd]

Updating to 23H2 right now.

I've got three main problems with Windows 10 and I might as well bite the bullet now before next fall.

The first problem is black screens. I've had these before with Macs but software updates and better cables fixed them.

I'm not sure of the cause of them right now but I'm hoping that they are fixed in Windows 11.

The second problem is that my W10 system won't sleep automatically. I can put the system to sleep manually but I have the setting set to sleep and it just doesn't. I've tried some troubleshooting but it's been unsuccessful.

The third problem is Wake on LAN. The way it is designed is nuts on Windows. It works as you would expect on macOS - wakes up when you try to access files remotely, then later goes to sleep. On Windows, you're supposed to send a Magic Token to the system which wakes it up. You generally use a third-party program to do this.

I imagine that only the highest priority fixes are going into the W10 line at this time so I'll take my chances with W11.

It's possible that the nVidia drivers for W11 are better than they are for W10 too.

One thing about the Windows world - stuff that doesn't work seems to not work for many, many years.

 

[inuragon]

The third problem is Wake on LAN. The way it is designed is nuts on Windows. It works as you would expect on macOS - wakes up when you try to access files remotely, then later goes to sleep. On Windows, you're supposed to send a Magic Token to the system which wakes it up. You generally use a third-party program to

That is literally how wake on lan is meant to work, its not something ms decided to do weird.

 

[pshufd]

That is literally how wake on lan is meant to work, its not something ms decided to do weird.

In macOS, if Finder is open, you can just access the files. If it isn't you just connect to the system and you can see the directories.

It may well be that macOS does all that for you. And that's a good thing.

 

[nathansz]

The second problem is that my W10 system won't sleep automatically. I can put the system to sleep manually but I have the setting set to sleep and it just doesn't. I've tried some troubleshooting but it's been unsuccessful.

on most recent wintel box (z790/14700k) I could not get sleep to work automatically in windows 10 or 11

Worked fine in macOS

 

[nathansz]

Microsoft pulls release preview build of Windows 11 24H2 after Recall controversy

Looks like they're pulling preview to re-work Recall given the pushback

I’m not using windows at all anymore so not paying attention I guess and had not heard of this feature

Sounds like an absolute nightmare

 

[pshufd]

on most recent wintel box (z790/14700k) I could not get sleep to work automatically in windows 10 or 11

Worked fine in macOS

Thanks. I'll test it out again.

The black screen issue seems like it is gone. I ran two of the programs where I see it most and none so far.

 

[pshufd]

I’m not using windows at all anymore so not paying attention I guess and had not heard of this feature

Sounds like an absolute nightmare

I had read some headlines of it and wasn't concerned as I was on W10. My hardware supports W11 so I was not worried about not being able to run it. I just liked the W10 UI better than W11.

 

[pshufd]

Sleep doesn't sleep. Well, it does, but it wakes up again. I'm running an experiment to see if it's a particular program causing this which I suspect. If it is that program, then I'll have to figure out a way to get the functionality with the program reconfigured.

I found a YouTube video that showed you how to get your system to sleep. It checked and modified about thirty different places in Windows that could result in sleep not working or not staying sleeping. The main benefits of Windows PCs is that you can stick in as much RAM and NVMe storage as your motherboard allows and that stuff is cheap.

Sleep did work at one time on this system back in 2020 and I'm not completely sure what broke it but I'm going to try to diagnose and fix it.

I found out that there's a gaming system in the house that doesn't sleep. Same problem though going back to 2011. It has a pretty hefty GPU and I'd love to get that system to sleep as well. It's hard to believe that this has been a problem for so long while it just works on macOS. Unfortunately, Windows is the most efficient way for me to run one program right now, and I'd like to get this system running so that it can take over NAS duties from my Mac Studio.

I have a 4 TB NVMe in a cheap enclosure on the Mac Studio. Performance is about 900 MB/S which I've read is normal for those enclosures on Macs. If I put one of these in my Windows PC, I get 3,500 MB/S. Our network was just upgraded to 2.5 GB Ethernet and we could take advantage of the higher throughput on an installed NVMe as opposed to an enclosure. I could also spend about $200 for a Thunderbolt 5 enclosure to hang off the Studio but I really do prefer hanging as little off systems as is possible.

One other alternative is to do a Hack but that would mean switching to an AMD GPU (not that that's necessarily bad) and rebuilding the system (not that that's necessarily bad either).

 

[pshufd]

I got sleep to work. It was one program, Synergy. Unfortunately it's quite an important program in that it allows me to control all of my systems from one keyboard and mouse. I think that sleep worked in the past because I made the Windows PC the Synergy server and any other systems were clients. So when I put the PC to sleep, it didn't get woken up being the server. The iMac Pro is the server now so it appears that the iMac Pro tries to ping the Windows PC regularly or Synergy as the client wakes up frequently to poll the server.

So one problem solved and I need to fix the new problem. The fix might be to use a separate keyboard and mouse for the Windows PC or figure out if there's a way to get Synergy to pause on sleep.

So current problems are trying to get Synergy to not prevent sleep and then to get Wake on LAN working properly so that I can use the system as a NAS.

Does everyone have these little problems to solve?

 

[pshufd]

I found a registry setting that fixes it. It appears that a lot of other people had this problem too.

Onto the NAS stuff. If I can get that fixed, then everything will be perfect. If not, it will still be great.

 

[inuragon]

With sleep issues running "powercfg /requests" on admin terminal is a good start for figuring out what the issue is.

I have a 4 TB NVMe in a cheap enclosure on the Mac Studio. Performance is about 900 MB/S which I've read is normal for those enclosures on Macs. If I put one of these in my Windows PC, I get 3,500 MB/S. Our network was just upgraded to 2.5 GB Ethernet and we could take advantage of the higher throughput on an installed NVMe as opposed to an enclosure.

2.5gb ethernet means 2.5 gigabits typically so bit over 300 megabytes, so no need to worry about the SSD speeds when the network will still bottleneck.

 

[pshufd]

With sleep issues running "powercfg /requests" on admin terminal is a good start for figuring out what the issue is.


2.5gb ethernet means 2.5 gigabits typically so bit over 300 megabytes, so no need to worry about the SSD speeds when the network will still bottleneck.

That's what the article I read about the problem said. The article referred to a different version of the software so the name of the executable image was different than the command in the article so I just used the filename from powercfg instead of from the article.

Transfer speeds have generally increased with the new modem/router though it's possible that's due to WiFi 6 support. Our old router was from around 2010. What I see in actual practice is that transfer speeds to the Windows SSD are a lot faster than transfer speeds to the external SSD but there could be other reasons for that.

 

[ozaz]

I've always had problems with sleep and hibernate in Windows. My issues include machine sometimes coming out of sleep/hibernation randomly and sometimes rebooting. Well randomly from my perspective. I'm sure there is always a reason, I just find it incredibly hard to track down. I've had these issues with several different machines and across several different versions of Windows (including Windows 11).

Better sleep/hibernation behaviour is actually the main reason I initially switched from Windows to Mac circa 2008. I have since switched back to Windows (for various reasons) and now just put up with poor sleep/hibernate behaviour. If I had a magic wand which enabled me to change one and only one thing about Windows, this is the thing I'd fix.

 

[pshufd]

I've always had problems with sleep and hibernate in Windows. My issues include machine sometimes coming out of sleep/hibernation randomly and sometimes rebooting. Well randomly from my perspective. I'm sure there is always a reason, I just find it incredibly hard to track down. I've had these issues with several different machines and across several different versions of Windows (including Windows 11).

Better sleep/hibernation behaviour is actually the main reason I initially switched from Windows to Mac circa 2008. I have since switched back to Windows (for various reasons) and now just put up with poor sleep/hibernate behaviour. If I had a magic wand which enabled me to change one and only one thing about Windows, this is the thing I'd fix.

Our electricity prices are pretty high (it's actually the delivery charge) so I have an incentive to get it to work and to get it to work on the gaming system. I'm tempted to put a power meter on it to see how much power it draws on average. I had set aside a few hours to diagnose the sleep issues but it turned out to be what I suspected. If it had been something else, then it would have cost me a few hours and that might not have been enough.

I've not had any problem with sleep on the Macs and I'd guess that a lot of that is due to their control of most of the hardware. If you make hardware which doesn't play well, it gets known because I guess that there's less third-party hardware specific to Mac. In the Windows world, people just seem to live with it.

 

[XboxEvolved]

I saw the OP and chuckled. Anyways, for every thing that happens in MacOS, kernel panic, or random app that shuts down, stuff that I wasn't used to 10-15 years ago in Macs, I then go to work and get on Windows 11 and GOOD LORD is macOS leagues better. Everything about Windows 11 is stupid. In their quest to try and make it more simple like macOS they actually made it faaaar worse than macOS. Really, the last time Windows was 100% cool with me was Windows 7. Windows 10 wasn't terrible either, but I will always prefer macOS.

 

[pshufd]

I found directions to set up a NAS on a Windows system including waking up from sleep. It's nine pages long. This is like working in Open Source projects or at my previous job. I'll give it a shot.

The Windows gaming desktop now sleeps. It's nice to have a day off to address this stuff. In addition to fixing stuff around the house.

 

[Schnauzer World]

Updating to 23H2 right now.

I've got three main problems with Windows 10 and I might as well bite the bullet now before next fall.

The first problem is black screens. I've had these before with Macs but software updates and better cables fixed them.

I'm not sure of the cause of them right now but I'm hoping that they are fixed in Windows 11.

The second problem is that my W10 system won't sleep automatically. I can put the system to sleep manually but I have the setting set to sleep and it just doesn't. I've tried some troubleshooting but it's been unsuccessful.

The third problem is Wake on LAN. The way it is designed is nuts on Windows. It works as you would expect on macOS - wakes up when you try to access files remotely, then later goes to sleep. On Windows, you're supposed to send a Magic Token to the system which wakes it up. You generally use a third-party program to do this.

I imagine that only the highest priority fixes are going into the W10 line at this time so I'll take my chances with W11.

It's possible that the nVidia drivers for W11 are better than they are for W10 too.

One thing about the Windows world - stuff that doesn't work seems to not work for many, many years.

My 10 year old PC, just started black screens. I'll be in a game and the screen will go black for 5-10 seconds. Then maybe an hour later do it again. Same thing?

 

[pshufd]

My 10 year old PC, just started black screens. I'll be in a game and the screen will go black for 5-10 seconds. Then maybe an hour later do it again. Same thing?

I suspect bugs in Windows and nVidia drivers that cause these to come and go. Maybe a change in Windows that breaks something and then nVidia updates drivers to fix it. I tend to get fewer of them using DisplayPort over HDMI. I had them this morning while trading and they are unacceptable for trading as a lot can happen in five seconds. I've been on DisplayPort for 20 minutes and none so far. I am currently running on a 1050 but I have a 1660 that I can swap in to see if that fixes it - if the video card is indeed the problem.

My recollection is that I had solved the black screen issues in 2020 with better cables but the only explanation that makes sense is that something else broke it and the fix isn't available yet.

It's not only a Windows issue as I've had them in the past on macOS, Intel and Apple Silicon. I have not had them in the past three years though.

They certainly are frustrating.

 

[Donfor39]

My 10 year old PC, just started black screens. I'll be in a game and the screen will go black for 5-10 seconds. Then maybe an hour later do it again. Same thing?

I thought intermittent black screen was 4070ti or soundbar concern.
Though I had 13700k raptor lake and last update was win update.
Since returned HP Omen, I hope to purchase 265k maybe 50series gpu and intended to try 8k certified HDMI cables.
I did lose 4k 120hz via 4k oled with Win 11 update.

 

[pshufd]

I spent about an hour trying to get Wake on LAN to work. I've done the BIOS setup, Windows setup, updated the LAN driver (which had a fix for Wake on LAN) and nothing has worked. I am updating to Windows 11, 24H2 (I don't think that it will brick my system) hoping that fixes it. One other option would be to use a USB to Ethernet device. I have an Ethernet card in another system which I might try too if these steps don't work.

I looked at my Modem/Router settings and there isn't one for Wake on LAN. It works fine on my Macs, though, so I assume that the Modem/Router supports it. This is one of those things that's really easy in macOS and an incredible pain on Windows. It could be Microsoft Windows, the Z490-Plus (WiFi) motherboard, the Intel hardware or drivers.

This is why most articles recommend that you just let your computer never sleep. I guess that this is such a headache to diagnose and fix. I really hate that option though.