Windows 11

[maflynn]

Panos got snapped up by Amazon. I thought he did a good job with the Surface stuff.

I agree, I think he was good, but his on screen presence was one of arrogance. I did not like how he carried himself when unveiling the products - yet as I said those were good products.

I owned a number of surface laptops and they were good, some better then others.

 

[Steve Adams]

Panos got snapped up by Amazon. I thought he did a good job with the Surface stuff.

I know. But hey, who knows what could happen in the future. I would love to see him return as CEO. He had passion for the products and company.

 

[Steve Adams]

I agree, I think he was good, but his on screen presence was one of arrogance. I did not like how he carried himself when unveiling the products - yet as I said those were good products.

I owned a number of surface laptops and they were good, some better then others.

I never saw arrogance. I saw passion for what he was doing.

 

[diamond.g]

I agree, I think he was good, but his on screen presence was one of arrogance. I did not like how he carried himself when unveiling the products - yet as I said those were good products.

I owned a number of surface laptops and they were good, some better then others.

MS did a Surface Pro 3 (yes I know a long time ago) launch at the Microsoft Store in the Pentagon Mall (I think it is called Fashion Center at the Pentagon these days). He seemed personable when in person (at the time).

 

[eltoslightfoot]

Nadella does not "play it safe" he's a hyperfocused dufus. He latches on to the new "thing". This in itself is fine, as Microsoft were the first to the show with many things. But then he either gets bored, or he expects 100 percent profit margins in 3 months. If not it's axed. He's made MS lots of money because of asure and cloud services, but now he's pissing that all away with spending billions in Ai that is another fad.

Hololens was remarkable compared to any of the other headsets. It was true pass through technology as it was a clear lens you could look through but had displays in the clear lenses. Unlike all others which is simulated pass through. It never made money and they squandered the project by not releasing a consumer version. Just one example of many. He needs to be replaced ASAP. Panos would be awesome, someone with great consumer / corporate focus and stop messing with garbage stuff like Ai.

Microsoft would be so back with Panos Panay in charge!

 

[Steve Adams]

Microsoft would be so back with Panos Panay in charge!

Yes someone with passion and people focused.

 

[maflynn]

Just in case you thought MS was pulling back from putting copilot everywhere

Copilot wants to replace Edge’s browser history with AI slop

Microsoft began rolling out substantial updates to the Edge desktop and mobile browser today, and yes, they obviously prioritize Copilot. Some of these feel familiar; didn’t Google launch automated quizzes and podcasts months ago? But Copilot isn’t just being added to Edge. It’s actively taking over portions of Edge that humans used to manage themselves, specifically the nearly infinite list of sites that you’ve browsed as part of your browser history.

I guess I'm in the minority but I do use the history manager to view and review sites I've been too. I don't use edge, and there's less reason now, but I do not like them cramming AI down out throats where something useful is now replaced with AI

 

[eltoslightfoot]

Reason #3870 to never use Edge.

 

[maflynn]

It wouldn't be patch Tuesday without some issue

Windows 11’s May update is causing install failures and slow internet — here’s what we know

The reports started appearing shortly after the update rolled out through Windows Update (via Neowin). The majority of complaints are coming from users posting on forums like Reddit (links 2 and 3), where affected systems repeatedly attempt to install, then roll back to the previous version. The issue appears tied specifically to Windows 11 systems running the May 2026 cumulative update.

 

[eltoslightfoot]

It wouldn't be patch Tuesday without some issue

Windows 11’s May update is causing install failures and slow internet — here’s what we know

Why am I not surprised?

 

[uczcret]

On a more positive note, Microsoft finally delivered (for dev channel only at the atm) the no.1 most requested feature for Windows 11- top or side taskbar

Improving Windows quality: Making Taskbar and Start more personal

 

[Technerd108]

Since all Google and Microsoft users are now beta testers for AI and new ways to use AI for customer data extraction and prediction will be the result. We will get used to AI errors in time. They will make an AI to prevent bugs so that will fix all these bugs for sure!

Eventually our OS will simply be used to modify user behavior to MS/Google favorable outcomes. It will be able to predict our behavior and exploit that for profit.

That is the end goal of all the AI "features" and embedding AI in every aspect of the OS. There will be a time very soon where our OS will be AI.

 

[eltoslightfoot]

Since all Google and Microsoft users are now beta testers for AI and new ways to use AI for customer data extraction and prediction will be the result. We will get used to AI errors in time. They will make an AI to prevent bugs so that will fix all these bugs for sure!

Eventually our OS will simply be used to modify user behavior to MS/Google favorable outcomes. It will be able to predict our behavior and exploit that for profit.

That is the end goal of all the AI "features" and embedding AI in every aspect of the OS. There will be a time very soon where our OS will be AI.

You know you can shut all that off right?

 

[Technerd108]

You know you can shut all that off right?

Of course. But AI is coding updates. They are embedding AI into the OS. I can't shut that off. I can't turn off Edge AI search history. This is just the start.

If you like it that is fine. Personally I would like all the AI OUT of my OS. That is just me. I would like AI as separate apps that I can choose to install or not but otherwise I am very concerned about the direction MS is going in with Windows.

Everyone has different priorities?

 

[eltoslightfoot]

Of course. But AI is coding updates. They are embedding AI into the OS. I can't shut that off. I can't turn off Edge AI search history. This is just the start.

If you like it that is fine. Personally I would like all the AI OUT of my OS. That is just me. I would like AI as separate apps that I can choose to install or not but otherwise I am very concerned about the direction MS is going in with Windows.

Everyone has different priorities?

We will see what WWDC brings. I think the only way to escape what you are saying is with Linux. Apple appears to think that AI slop is also the way to go. Personally I keep everything local that I can. But yes at some point you need to use something.

 

[maflynn]

Of course. But AI is coding updates. They are embedding AI into the OS. I can't shut that off. I can't turn off Edge AI search history. This is just the start.

Indeed, and Apple isn't that far behind either.

 

[eltoslightfoot]

Even open source projects (like Linux) are having to deal with vibe coded updates and how best to deal with that. It’s a mess right now. Honestly Apple could win by almost ignoring AI, but their pride has been pricked, so here we are.

 

[jerryjohnson]

Windows 11 looks better than older versions, but Apple’s ecosystem is basically a hotel California situation: you can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave. 😂

 

[robvalentine]

Even open source projects (like Linux) are having to deal with vibe coded updates and how best to deal with that. It’s a mess right now. Honestly Apple could win by almost ignoring AI, but their pride has been pricked, so here we are.

Apple could have had a huge win by being anti AI as even friends of mine who aren't techies hate ai (mostly the fake pics and video slop)

 

[eltoslightfoot]

Apple could have had a huge win by being anti AI as even friends of mine who aren't techies hate ai (mostly the fake pics and video slop)

Yes! I am still hoping we see a path to no AI at WWDC, but I am not hopeful. I think, instead, they will try to make up for lost time with an AI slop speedrun.

 

[maflynn]

Apple could have had a huge win by being anti AI as even friends of mine who aren't techies hate ai (mostly the fake pics and video slop)

I'm not so sure. I agree AI has a bad rap, but by the same token its a technology that being used more and more.

Sure, apple could position themselves as anti-AI, but when did a tech company succeed by ignoring the latest technology? I think Blackberry tried that, and that didn't work out well for them

 

[eltoslightfoot]

I'm not so sure. I agree AI has a bad rap, but by the same token its a technology that being used more and more.

Sure, apple could position themselves as anti-AI, but when did a tech company succeed by ignoring the latest technology? I think Blackberry tried that, and that didn't work out well for them

There has never been a technology as weird as this one though. For one, the true costs are not being born out yet, as all of them are losing money hand-over-fist with each token.

Also, you have to put up with a shocking level of wrongness in solutions (hallucinations) compared to past technologies. Remember 6 Nines for uptime? Look at MS Windows 11 patches. It's gotten so bad that they now have Project Windows K2 where they are trying to rip out all the "AI assisted code".

We will see, but Apple clearly hasn't been hurt so far by the lack of it. Even Google's equivalent gets a lot wrong--and appears to be getting worse according to Android Forums.

 

[maflynn]

There has never been a technology as weird as this one though

Its been a goal, ever since the ENIAC was introduced, i.e., a thinking machine. While the cost of making LLMs is staggering, its clear that if Apple chooses to sit this one out, they'll largely be cast aside as the technology moves away from them.

I hate how MS is jamming copilot down our throats, but I also think there's a place for AI, and I've found that tool to be very useful, just look at the memes I post here 😛

 

[Steve Adams]

Yes! I am still hoping we see a path to no AI at WWDC, but I am not hopeful. I think, instead, they will try to make up for lost time with an AI slop speedrun.

As the old Aerosmith song goes...DREAM ON! Apple are going to be racing MS to the bottom soon with Ai. They are all the same. The only way to get away from Ai, is Linux. Then things I need to do don't do.....so I am stuck with the windows systems I am using.

 

[maflynn]

It wouldn't be patch Tuesday without some issue

Windows 11’s May update is causing install failures and slow internet — here’s what we know

More details regarding this issue
Microsoft confirms Windows 11 security update install issues

Microsoft has confirmed that the May 2026 Windows 11 security update (KB5089549) fails to install on some systems and triggers 0x800f0922 errors.

This known issue is caused by insufficient free space on the EFI System Partition (ESP), which results in the update automatically rolling back on affected devices.

"This issue affects devices with limited free space on the EFI System Partition (ESP), especially when the device has 10 MB or less space available," Microsoft said.

Interesting, because I would have thought that MS would ensure the EFI partition would be a set size for all machines, but perhaps older machines used smaller partitions. I know that for linux, if you're using the limine boot manager, it requires 4gb, where as systemd-boot 2gb and grub 500mb