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[*LTD*]

And that's when you should stop talking because you clearly know nothing about this subject.

Of course not.

Employees have little to no say in the tools they are forced to use. In the workplace we live and die by the Microsoft - IT industry racket.

The bulk of the IT industry exists in order to keep Windows from falling over. A whole industry has grown up around fixing Windows. The IT industry depends on windows being in a perpetually "broken" state in order to thrive.

 

[Eidorian]

Impressed by the demos, haven't tried it out myself. I don't want to dual-boot a pre-Beta OS. I'm going to try it out on my iMac using Parallels or VMWare.

I was going to mention if it was within a virtual machine too.

I believe any Core iX should do fine... however, if he is using the older Core 2, I am interested in his experience.

I guess VT-x is the minimum then. IOMMU support might provide additional benefits.

Of course not.

Employees have little to no say in the tools they are forced to use. In the workplace we live and die by the Microsoft - IT industry racket.

The bulk of the IT industry exists in order to keep Windows from falling over. A whole industry has grown up around fixing Windows. The IT industry depends on windows being in a perpetually "broken" state in order to thrive.

No one would have a job since our software infrastructure does not run under OS X or I would still have a job even if we had Macs.

Comprehension of the alphabet, following detailed instructions, or flowchart skills are far down on the chart before you even hit computer usage. The world is a terrible place without touching a computer.

 

[KingCrimson]

Of course not.

Employees have little to no say in the tools they are forced to use. In the workplace we live and die by the Microsoft - IT industry racket.

The bulk of the IT industry exists in order to keep Windows from falling over. A whole industry has grown up around fixing Windows. The IT industry depends on windows being in a perpetually "broken" state in order to thrive.

You make it sound like a vast, nefarious conspiracy is at work! Steve Ballmer is pulling the strings from his office in Redmond and cackling the whole time right?

 

[*LTD*]

You make it sound like a vast, nefarious conspiracy is at work!

The Microsoft-enterprise lock-in is vast, yes. But there is no conspiracy. Just all-out complacency and typical cost-cutting that goes on everywhere. The result is stagnation by worldless consent. We just accept that we have to use ********* MS tools in the office. It's become a (sad) fact of life.

Is there collusion between MS and the IT industry to keep things this way? There is no way to really prove it, but you can bet that one drives the other.

 

[KingCrimson]

The Microsoft-enterprise lock-in is vast, yes. But there is no conspiracy. Just all-out complacency and typical cost-cutting that goes on everywhere. The result is stagnation by worldless consent. We just accept that we have to use ********* MS tools in the office. It's become a (sad) fact of life.

But one day, those IT admins will get the sack. The new IT guys will all be fanatical Mac-heads like yourself and will usher in a new golden era of the Mac in enterprise, powered by XServe(oops)!

 

[*LTD*]

But one day, those IT admins will get the sack. The new IT guys will all be fanatical Mac-heads like yourself and will usher in a new golden era of the Mac in enterprise, powered by XServe(oops)!

There is a grass-roots movement to get Apple gear into the enterprise, despite the vehemence (often outright) against it by IT folk. I've witnessed it myself. There are cost issues and security issues, but even when these are shown, demonstrably to be resolvable, they still bristle against it.

The corporate world is not set up for Premium user experiences. I doubt there is any real budget for that in most organizations, and less IT face-time due to an increased Apple presence would mean MS and the IT sector would both lose out.

And the simple fact is, that even with all its problems, Windows and MS-ware is what most people use: cheap and readily available for licensing. These are key selling-points. The same ones that MS and OEMs use in the consumer sector.

 

[KingCrimson]

There is a grass-roots movement to get Apple gear into the enterprise, despite the vehemence (often outright) against it by IT folk. I've witnessed it myself. There are cost issues and security issues, but even when these are shown, demonstrably to be resolvable, they still bristle against it.

The corporate world is not set up for Premium user experiences. I doubt there is any real budget for that in most organizations, and less IT face-time due to an increased Apple presence would mean MS and the IT sector would both lose out.

In cash-strapped corporations, it's much cheaper to upgrade to Windows 7/Office 2010 by paying about $300 per workstation, then paying $2000 per new Mac and untold cost for setting up a Mac server infrastructure.

So you see how MSFT wins over and over again? haha!

 

[Eidorian]

In cash-strapped corporations, it's much cheaper to upgrade to Windows 7/Office 2010 by paying about $300 per workstation, then paying $2000 per new Mac and untold cost for setting up a Mac server infrastructure.

So you see how MSFT wins over and over again? haha!

Windows 7 and Office 2010 drop in so nicely onto our Core 2 Duo 2.4-3.0 GHz Optiplex desktops with 4 GB of RAM that we purchased for chump change. Anything older is being replaced with a Core i3 2100 system. Talk about fast! Now if they only had SSDs.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Of course not.

Employees have little to no say in the tools they are forced to use. In the workplace we live and die by the Microsoft - IT industry racket.

The bulk of the IT industry exists in order to keep Windows from falling over. A whole industry has grown up around fixing Windows. The IT industry depends on windows being in a perpetually "broken" state in order to thrive.

And farther proof you have no understanding of what the IT industry and talking out your rear.
It could be a 100% mac shop from ground up and the it staff would have the same workload. 90-95% of it work is on the back end dealing the database networking ect. They set up new things or servers and all honestly osx is weaker in that area and require more time because more work arounds would be required.
Very little time relatively is spend dealing with windows issues. Most of it is dealing with software installed for company use that have nothing to do the OS.

 

[KingCrimson]

And farther proof you have no understanding of what the IT industry and talking out your rear.
It could be a 100% mac shop from ground up and the it staff would have the same workload. 90-95% of it work is on the back end dealing the database networking ect. They set up new things or servers and all honestly osx is weaker in that area and require more time because more work arounds would be required.
Very little time relatively is spend dealing with windows issues. Most of it is dealing with software installed for company use that have nothing to do the OS.

Devil's advocate - why do you think OS X server would require more work then Windows Server? Doesn't Apple stuff "just work"?

 

[*LTD*]

In cash-strapped corporations, it's much cheaper to upgrade to Windows 7/Office 2010 by paying about $300 per workstation, then paying $2000 per new Mac and untold cost for setting up a Mac server infrastructure.

So you see how MSFT wins over and over again? haha!

It's not quite a win. Yes, the bad tools you and I are often forced to use makes MS boatloads of money. But as a consumer you have to ask yourself, where is that revenue coming from? Clearly not from an effort to provide the best possible experience to YOU.

What's really going on is that MS is making big money, but from all the wrong things. They're still doing Windows and Office. The same things they did 20 years ago. What's the result of being stuck in this Windows/Office cage? Everything else they do outside of that and the enterprise sector suffers, and consumers get shafted. What's it done for their tablet? Their smartphone? How long did consumers have to wait? Did you enjoy the Zune experience, until the whole ill-conceived venture was canned? WP7 is on the verge of the same fate. Did you buy an HP Slate with Windows on it? Did it feel good to waste your money?

So what's it gong to be for MS? Enterprise products or consumer products? They clearly can't do both and do it well. It would appear they are a corporate/enterprise software vendor masquerading as a home/consumer vendor.

The sad reality is that Microsoft has provided various levels of ********* "working" platforms and solutions for consumers, and broken but manageable platforms and solutions for IT. Their consumer-level efforts for the past few years have been utterly laughable outside gaming consoles. They're still milking the dying Windows/Office cash cow at the cost of nearly every forward looking consumer market outside gaming for kiddies. For some reason they're still touting their Big Ass Table™ as well. Can I get one to use every day in my home and to take with me? No? Oh well.

So when you say "look at how much money they're making!" I say, that's great! But what are YOU actually getting in return? Windows and Office retreads. A dead media player. A smartphone that might have been interesting three years ago but which was released too late, and a series of bad tablets, only to be promised some improvements in this area sometime in the future.

Yes, you're probably quite justified in cheerleading MS' profits . . . if your home is a corporate floor and if you got paid to play shooters on your Xbox 8 hours a day.

 

[KingCrimson]

It's not quite a win. Yes, the bad tools you and I are often forced to use makes MS boatloads of money. But as a consumer you have to ask yourself, where is that revenue coming from? Clearly not from an effort to provide the best possible experience to YOU.

What's really going on is that MS is making big money, but from all the wrong things. They're still doing Windows and Office. The same things they did 20 years ago. What's the result of being stuck in this Windows/Office cage? Everything else they do outside of that and the enterprise sector suffers, and consumers get shafted. What's it done for their tablet? Their smartphone? How long did consumers have to wait? Did you enjoy the Zune experience, until the whole ill-conceived venture was canned? WP7 is on the verge of the same fate. Did you buy an HP Slate with Windows on it? Did it feel good to waste your money?

So what's it gong to be for MS? Enterprise products or consumer products? They clearly can't do both and do it well. It would appear they are a corporate/enterprise software vendor masquerading as a home/consumer vendor.

The sad reality is that Microsoft has provided various levels of ********* "working" platforms and solutions for consumers, and broken but manageable platforms and solutions for IT. Their consumer-level efforts for the past few years have been utterly laughable outside gaming consoles. They're still milking the dying Windows/Office cash cow at the cost of nearly every forward looking consumer market outside gaming for kiddies. For some reason they're still touting their Big Ass Table™ as well. Can I get one to use every day in my home and to take with me? No? Oh well.

So when you say "look at how much money they're making!" I say, that's great! But what are YOU actually getting in return? Windows and Office retreads. A dead media player. A smartphone that might have been interesting three years ago but which was released too late, and a series of bad tablets, only to be promised some improvements in this area sometime in the future.

Yes, you're probably quite justified in cheerleading MS' profits . . . if your home is a corporate floor and if you got paid to play shooters on your Xbox 8 hours a day.

Dude, instead of wallowing in your ignorance, do some reading about what Microsoft offers the enterprise. It's a *alot* more then just WinOffice.

Yeah, I'm cheerleading the massive MSFT profits!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft#Business_Division

 

[BaldiMac]

Never mind that most of corporate America relies on MS Office to do real work. They should just all switch over to Macs and iWork to satisfy you.

How would that satisfy me? My point was that iWork isn't designed to do everything Microsoft Office does. Please stop with the fanboy crap.

iWorks is no replacement for Office and it is not even close to being a replacement for Office.

It's a replacement for Office if you only need the features that it provides. It's not hard to understand that not everyone needs all the features of Office.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Devil's advocate - why do you think OS X server would require more work then Windows Server? Doesn't Apple stuff "just work"?

desktops maybe but OSX just lacks a lot of the Enterprise tools you can get from both Linux and MS. OSX is a consumer based product and Apple has never played in the enterprise market very well and they are killing off there server grade enterprise stuff any how so even more work around are required.

 

[KingCrimson]

desktops maybe but OSX just lacks a lot of the Enterprise tools you can get from both Linux and MS. OSX is a consumer based product and Apple has never played in the enterprise market very well and they are killing off there server grade enterprise stuff any how so even more work around are required.

The funniest thing ever is iCloud running on Microsoft Azure!

 

[MagnusVonMagnum]

What's really going on is that MS is making big money, but from all the wrong things. They're still doing Windows and Office. The same things

That's what makes them MONEY with a capital $. Should they be making Tonka toy trucks instead??? WTF? It's one steaming pile of "Apple rules and Microsoft sucks" with absolutely nothing to back it. So Apple had a successful tablet. They also had a crap tablet that failed royally many years ago. Big deal. And while you think it's great that Apple spends all their time on phones and tablets, SOME of us think Apple spends TOO MUCH TIME on them and ignores their core Mac market, letting Microsoft drive right on by while OSX is still basically Tiger Plus to this day, with nothing really major new worth talking about the past five years other than the move to Intel.

Yes, you're probably quite justified in cheerleading MS' profits . . . if your home is a corporate floor and if you got paid to play shooters on your Xbox 8 hours a day.

Your post makes me want to vomit. It's what I hate most about the Mac, the smug know-it-alls who actually know jacks squat about the real world, but feel the need to spend their every waking hour praising the Almighty Jobs and giving sermons against the "Gates" of Hell (otherwise known simply as Bill). Take this GARBAGE somewhere else. This thread is about Windows 8, not about Fanboys Vs. The World.

 

[boss.king]

And once again we're off track. Seriously, can you people just make another thread? Please stop discussing OSX vs Windows.

 

[KingCrimson]

And once again we're off track. Seriously, can you people just make another thread? Please stop discussing OSX vs Windows.

There's no point in complaining about reality. It's an Apple universe and everyone else is just playing in it. Windows 8 is just vaporware at this point.

 

[ct2k7]

There's no point in complaining about reality. It's an Apple universe and everyone else is just playing in it. Windows 8 is just vaporware at this point.

Just like iOS 5.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

And once again we're off track. Seriously, can you people just make another thread? Please stop discussing OSX vs Windows.

More back on track I am hoping they get it out early in the spring before I get out of school so I can buy it for 10 bucks.
It looks really promising and for Metro UI on the desktop /laptop side I do not like it and I know I would be working in the 'classic' mode there.
Metro UI is a great tablet touch screen design.

I also kind of want to know what other under the hood changes they made in it to improve it. I know they did some pretty nice once going from Vista to 7.

 

[KingCrimson]

http://www.v3.co.uk/v3-uk/analysis/2110832/windows-poses-quandary-enterprise

Part of the problem is that many companies are still in the process of rolling out Windows 7 across their organisation, Silver said, and are now suffering from "migration fatigue".

"We don't see [Windows 8] as being a big enterprise play," he told V3.

However, Windows 8 also includes many features that IT managers in particular would dearly love to get their hands on.

Notable among these are the Reset and Refresh functions, along with Windows 2 Go, which allows the operating system to be run from a USB key, and upcoming support for touch-screen apps in Microsoft's RDP remote screen protocol.

The Reset and Refresh functions, in particular, could save hours of work for hard-pressed IT staff.

Reset allows an administrator to return a PC to its factory state, removing all user data, which could prove invaluable when preparing a system for a new employee or decommissioning a system at the end of its life.

Meanwhile, Refresh can restore an ailing PC to a working state in as little as five minutes without removing any user data or customisations, providing end users with a self-help tool that could cure many PC problems.

"Refresh takes all data, files, personalisation and Metro-style apps, picks them up, re-paves the operating system underneath, then puts them back in place," said Gabriel Aul, director of programme management for Windows Fundamentals, speaking at Build.

Microsoft also demonstrated at Build how a Windows 8 PC can boot from cold in a matter of seconds, and how new boot-level security can prevent Windows from being compromised by malware on USB sticks and other removable storage.

* The 5-minute reset to factory-settings
* boot-level security

Just awesome, Redmond, awesome!

 

[boss.king]

I'm liking the new unified file transferring stuff they've done. Pausing copying is something I would find really useful.

The one thing I'd still ask for it to be able to rename things to a title of my choice when there is a naming conflict.

 

[KingCrimson]

Why no love for the new app sandboxing and privilege levels?

http://microsoft-news.com/windows-8-will-contain-an-app-sandbox-and-multiple-privilege-levels/

In the manifest the developer will need to declare:

Application identity – name, publisher, version
Application architecture – processor architecture, type of application, framework required, operating system version
Dependencies – name, publisher and minimum version of other required applications
Capabilities – networking, file system and profile capabilities requested by the application
OS extensions – associated filetypes and protocols, AutoPlay, “Charms”, notifications, splash screen
Tile customization – logo, name, description and colors for the tile-based user interface

Long notes the AppX format is universal enough to work for everything from native Win32 applications to framework-based applications and even web applications.

Wow! This is a developer's dream.

 

[boss.king]

More back on track I am hoping they get it out early in the spring before I get out of school so I can buy it for 10 bucks.
It looks really promising and for Metro UI on the desktop /laptop side I do not like it and I know I would be working in the 'classic' mode there.
Metro UI is a great tablet touch screen design.

I also kind of want to know what other under the hood changes they made in it to improve it. I know they did some pretty nice once going from Vista to 7.

I was thinking I'd just use the desktop mode, but form what I hear Metro is actually pretty decent with a mouse too, and I'm getting curious to try it out.

I think I'll still wait a bit before upgrading, as with any software there can be issues in the beginning.

 

[KingCrimson]

I was thinking I'd just use the desktop mode, but form what I hear Metro is actually pretty decent with a mouse too, and I'm getting curious to try it out.

I think I'll still wait a bit before upgrading, as with any software there can be issues in the beginning.

MSFT will have the major issues sorted out by spring 2012. Then summer 2012 release, then fall Windows 8SP1.