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[*LTD*]

Lolwut?

Uh no. Compare Windows profit to Mac profits last quarter. I'm sure Windows made more. Remember Apple makes most of their profits on iOS related products.

http://www.macworld.com/article/150051/2010/03/apple_profit.html

http://gigaom.com/apple/mac-lands-one-two-punch-against-pcs-in-profit-and-growth/

Citing the same report by Charles Wolf, AppleInsider expanded on the continued dominance of the Mac in profits. For the U.S. market, Apple is now the “profit share” leader, accounting for 29.4 percent of every dollar in home computer sales. In comparison, HP accounted for 20.6 percent, while Dell was at 12.9 percent

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscent...pc_industry_in_profit_share_analysts_say.html

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2010-03-23/tech/30001582_1

http://www.businessinsider.com/char...erating-profit-share-of-top-pc-vendors-2010-3

http://www.mattrichman.net/post/6844151919/a-consequence-of-losing-the-pc-wars

 

[KingCrimson]

http://www.macworld.com/article/150051/2010/03/apple_profit.html

http://gigaom.com/apple/mac-lands-one-two-punch-against-pcs-in-profit-and-growth/

Citing the same report by Charles Wolf, AppleInsider expanded on the continued dominance of the Mac in profits. For the U.S. market, Apple is now the “profit share” leader, accounting for 29.4 percent of every dollar in home computer sales. In comparison, HP accounted for 20.6 percent, while Dell was at 12.9 percent

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscent...pc_industry_in_profit_share_analysts_say.html

http://articles.businessinsider.com/2010-03-23/tech/30001582_1

http://www.businessinsider.com/char...erating-profit-share-of-top-pc-vendors-2010-3

http://www.mattrichman.net/post/6844151919/a-consequence-of-losing-the-pc-wars

Of course Apple makes more profit then any individual PC maker, but that wasn't my point. Microsoft makes more profit per quarter on Windows then Apple does on Macs. FAR more.

 

[ct2k7]

Which is why Apple's way of doing things "just works".

iLife comes bundled with my Mac. Did I ask Aaple to put it there? I am so happy that I've done a fresh install, removes some rubbish I'll never use

 

[maflynn]

iLife comes bundled with my Mac. Did I ask Aaple to put it there? I am so happy that I've done a fresh install, removes some rubbish I'll never use

By the same token, at least apple provides actual useful programs. Most PCs come with crapware already installed.

 

[BaldiMac]

Of course Apple makes more profit then any individual PC maker, but that wasn't my point. Microsoft makes more profit per quarter on Windows then Apple does on Macs. FAR more.

Okay? How does that make LTD wrong? He didn't dispute what you said. He just made a factual statement.

And FWIW, Macs generate about half the profits of Windows. Pretty amazing considering they are 5-6% of the global market.

http://www.asymco.com/2011/05/03/ios-os-x-3-5-windows/

 

[ct2k7]

By the same token, at least apple provides actual useful programs. Most PCs come with crapware already installed.

Subjective - I fine iLife completely worthless and a waste of space on my disk. I purchased this Mac for productivity, not for creativity.

 

[maflynn]

Subjective - I fine iLife completely worthless and a waste of space on my disk. I purchased this Mac for productivity, not for creativity.

True enough, but my point is that apple provided useful products while perhaps not useful to you, on PCs its mostly crapware that you cannot uninstall. At least with iLife you could uninstall it easy enough.

 

[TheSideshow]

Please get out with PC manufacturers versus Apple in a Windows 8 thread.

Who cares if Apple makes more than HP or Dell? Save it for another thread. They aren't Windows and they are surely not Microsoft. its like you guys have such issue with Microsoft that you feel the need to claim superiority in every thread even if it doesn't fit the thread at all.

 

[ct2k7]

True enough, but my point is that apple provided useful products while perhaps not useful to you, on PCs its mostly crapware that you cannot uninstall. At least with iLife you could uninstall it easy enough.

What crapware do they load? The last time I purchased a Windows PC, from Dell, I got Microsoft Office as a trial. I can't remember if I got anything else.

Back on topic, I think Microsoft might place sanctions and restrictions on OEMs.

 

[TheSideshow]

What crapware do they load? The last time I purchased a Windows PC, from Dell, I got Microsoft Office as a trial. I can't remember if I got anything else.

Back on topic, I think Microsoft might place sanctions and restrictions on OEMs.

I hope its like Windows Phone where they are able to have a tile or two, but that tile needs to be easily removable. Trialware/crapware is hopefully dead with W8.

Windows 8 has built in malware/virus protection so theres no need to bundle Norton/McAfee crap anyways.

 

[maflynn]

What crapware do they load?

Office trial,
photoshop elements trial,
dvd burning software
trial versions of antivirus software
various messaging apps
IE toolbars
hardware drivers that I don't need

 

[*LTD*]

Office trial,
photoshop elements trial,
dvd burning software
trial versions of antivirus software
various messaging apps
IE toolbars
hardware drivers that I don't need

Most of which look like a dog's breakfast in terms of UI and consistency, full of thoughtless branding and logos.

 

[TheSideshow]

Most of which look like a dog's breakfast in terms of UI and consistency, full of thoughtless branding and logos.

Do you feel like you add anything to this discussion?

All you do is provide BS for people to sift through.

You arent even talking about Windows in a Windows 8 thread... You're talking about software OEMs add to Windows in the past.

 

[boss.king]

Office trial,
photoshop elements trial,
dvd burning software
trial versions of antivirus software
various messaging apps
IE toolbars
hardware drivers that I don't need

Most of which look like a dog's breakfast in terms of UI and consistency, full of thoughtless branding and logos.

Please stop bringing up the Mac vs Windows topic. If you really want to discuss it, make a thread. This one is about Windows 8, nothing to do with OSX.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

What crapware do they load? The last time I purchased a Windows PC, from Dell, I got Microsoft Office as a trial. I can't remember if I got anything else.

Back on topic, I think Microsoft might place sanctions and restrictions on OEMs.

Dell I got last year in terms of junk preloaded I would say office trial/works 2010 which I removed and replaced with office pro 2007. Antivirus software which had at 1 year support.
Biggest load of crap was dell backup and some things that link back to sell for support.
Now adobe reader and flash were on there but let's face it that would be installed right off the bat any how. Very little real crapware.

 

[RawBert]

Office trial,
photoshop elements trial,
dvd burning software
trial versions of antivirus software
various messaging apps
IE toolbars
hardware drivers that I don't need

Yes and most of this garbage runs at start-up. This is the reason the vast majority of Win PCs I've ever come across take like 3-5 minutes to fully boot. Already a good portion of RAM is being used - before you even get started.
How is the average Dell user supposed to know to click on the Start Button, Run: msconfig, and apply a selective start-up to bypass all this crapware?

The one that gets to me is the Antivirus CONSTANTLY poping up saying "your computer might be in danger."

MS does its customers a big disservice by allowing this.

 

[*LTD*]

Please get out with PC manufacturers versus Apple in a Windows 8 thread.

Why should I? Why should anyone?

Someone posted that what OEMs do is not MS' fault. Which is untrue.

Anything and everything to do with Windows *is* most certainly MS' fault. From cradle to grave. MS made the choice to license out their OS to OEMs. MS made the choice to wash their hands of their own product when it gets into OEMs' hands. MS made the choice to allow their product - with their name on it - to be loaded onto, for example, the worst quality eMachine PCs and allow them to be sold to consumers. The User Experience lives and dies by the whole package - the entire experience, from hardware to software - not by parts of it, or by whatever MS would like the consumer to give a pass on.

This is why certain (highly discriminating) competitors to MS do so incredibly well, despite MS' extensive universal-licensing racket.

Choices have consequences. MS' choices are no different.

 

[TheSideshow]

Why should I? Why should anyone?

Someone posted that what OEMs do is not MS' fault. Which is untrue.

Anything and everything to do with Windows *is* most certainly MS' fault. From cradle to grave. MS made the choice to license out their OS to OEMs. MS made the choice to wash their hands of their own product when it gets into OEMs' hands. MS made the choice to allow their product - with their name on it - to be loaded onto, for example, the worst quality eMachine PCs and allow them to be sold to consumers. The User Experience lives and dies by the whole package - the entire experience, from hardware to software - not by parts of it, or by whatever MS would like the consumer to give a pass on.

This is why certain (highly discriminating) competitors to MS do so incredibly well, despite MS' extensive universal-licensing racket.

Choices have consequences. MS' choices are no different.

Because this is a Windows 8 thread. Not a Windows thread, and not an OEM thread.

 

[maflynn]

Please stop bringing up the Mac vs Windows topic. If you really want to discuss it, make a thread. This one is about Windows 8, nothing to do with OSX.

You're right and my apologies.

Edit:
To get the thread back on track, I found the metro UI to be a tad buggy, at least in vmware. I found that at times I could go into the control panel (the panel version) and then select "More Settings" which brings you the traditional control panel. Other times, it would not scroll down to reach that section.

While I understand that its pre-beta, it seems kind of clunky to have a metro-ui for some of the settings and the traditional ui for other setting within the control panel. I hope MS starts tying the UIs together in a more cohesive manner.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

True enough, but my point is that apple provided useful products while perhaps not useful to you, on PCs its mostly crapware that you cannot uninstall. At least with iLife you could uninstall it easy enough.

Umm what crap ware on a pc have you not been able to uninstall. I have never had it across any pc that I could not uninstall very easily. Hell over the years they have made it easier to remove the crapware.

Also for a lot of people ilife is a crapware. Anything that is preinstalled that is unwanted is crapware.

 

[KingCrimson]

Why should I? Why should anyone?

Someone posted that what OEMs do is not MS' fault. Which is untrue.

Anything and everything to do with Windows *is* most certainly MS' fault. From cradle to grave. MS made the choice to license out their OS to OEMs. MS made the choice to wash their hands of their own product when it gets into OEMs' hands. MS made the choice to allow their product - with their name on it - to be loaded onto, for example, the worst quality eMachine PCs and allow them to be sold to consumers. The User Experience lives and dies by the whole package - the entire experience, from hardware to software - not by parts of it, or by whatever MS would like the consumer to give a pass on.

This is why certain (highly discriminating) competitors to MS do so incredibly well, despite MS' extensive universal-licensing racket.

Choices have consequences. MS' choices are no different.

To MSFT's credit they seem to be locking-down the Windows 8 experience with OEMs this time. It's not going to be the anarchy of previous Windows releases. However it's unfair to blame MSFT for not being a PC company like Apple.

 

[TheSideshow]

To get the thread back on track, I found the metro UI to be a tad buggy, at least in vmware. I found that at times I could go into the control panel (the panel version) and then select "More Settings" which brings you the traditional control panel. Other times, it would not scroll down to reach that section.

While I understand that its pre-beta, it seems kind of clunky to have a metro-ui for some of the settings and the traditional ui for other setting within the control panel. I hope MS starts tying the UIs together in a more cohesive manner.

I know what you mean. Things like Windows Update go to the desktop UI so you can do more with it like choose the updates when you would expect them to stay in the Metro UI.

After initial setup I don't see it as a big issue though. But during initial set up I found myself going back and forth a lot.

I too hope they have some things planned for these kinds of situations though.

 

[12dylan34]

I think that the ribbon thing in Office is far too complex. I think that Apple has done it right with iWork. You click on a rectangle, it only gives you options for what you can do for that rectangle in the menu bar. You select text, it gives you options for the text. All advanced options are in the inspector, which is also dynamic based upon what you have selected. There's no sense in having every imaginable button you can push up in the menu bar. It gets too hard to find things.

 

[maflynn]

I think that the ribbon thing in Office is far too complex.

Agreed, I think you can try to present too much info on the tool bar and make things more difficult

 

[ct2k7]

So. Windows 8. I like what I see.