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ct2k7 said:
That's not Microsoft's fault - it's the hardware supplier.
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Yes. It's what happens when you universally-license. User Experience goes out the window. MS loses control of their own product. The one they spent painstakingly long hours creating (one would hope.) It's absurd.

When you whore out your OS to anyone and their dog, you not only display a fundamental disrespect for your own product, but also for the end-user.
 
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*LTD* said:
Yes. It's what happens when you universally-license. User Experience goes out the window. MS loses control of their own product. The one they spent painstakingly long hours creating (ones would hope.) It's absurd.

When you whore out your OS to anyone and their dog, you not only display a fundamental disrespect for your own product, but also for the end-user.
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Probably why they are more successful in the desktop and business business than Apple.
 
MagnusVonMagnum said:
Try loading those 20 second machines down with a lot of software and fill that Windows registry up and see how fast they boot then.... ;)
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My boot time/computer speed was the same after a year of using the same install as when it was new. What are you on about?

Don't talk on things you dont know about.

In before comments about your XP/ME installs from the millennium.
 
ct2k7 said:
Probably why they are more successful in the desktop and business business than Apple.
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If that's "success" they can most certainly have the crown and keep it.

There's your $400 Dell . . . and then there's a Mac.

Keep in mind, though, that Apple's penalty for "losing" the PC war in the 1990s is that they're now the most profitable PC maker in the world. Mac sales growth has outpaced the industry for well over 20 consecutive quarters. Apple owns the $1000+ category. And they are set to have another record quarter (already well into double-digit share in the US) selling expensive gear that runs an unlicensed, closed-platform OS.

Apple doesn't ship junk.
 
*LTD* said:
If that's "success" they can most certainly have the crown and keep it.

There's your $400 Dell . . . and then there's a Mac.

Keep in mind, though, that Apple's penalty for "losing" the PC war in the 1990s is that they're now the most profitable PC maker in the world. Mac sales growth has outpaced the industry for well over 20 consecutive quarters. Apple owns the $1000+ category. And they are set to have another record quarter (already well into double-digit share in the US) selling expensive gear that runs an unlicensed, closed-platform OS.

Apple doesn't ship junk.
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I thought Apple was in the post PC world... didn't you define a PC as something running Windows?

Apple isn't just a PC maker, their priority it seems, first and foremost is with iOS.

Microsoft has the category which means the most to people. Most people will prefer cheaper products, regardless of quality.

Microsoft doesn't ship junk. OEMs can, and do - though not all.
 
ct2k7 said:
I thought Apple was in the post PC world... didn't you define a PC as something running Windows?
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You missed the definition.
ct2k7 said:
Apple isn't just a PC maker, their priority it seems, first and foremost is with iOS.
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Smart thing to do.
ct2k7 said:
Microsoft has the category which means the most to people. Most people will prefer cheaper products, regardless of quality.
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Ok. Make sure you convince HP of that. They're looking to exit "the category which means the most to people." I wonder who's next to go?

The category is changing. Scary, aint it? Most major technological shifts certainly can be.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/2011/09/15/pc-sales-slow-while-tablet-sales-skyrocket-firm-says/

http://www.pcworld.com/article/240094/semiconductor_market_slumps_as_pc_sales_slow_says_gartner.html

http://www.techspot.com/news/43552-microsofts-3q-earnings-rise-31-but-windows-sales-down-.html
ct2k7 said:
Microsoft doesn't ship junk. OEMs can, and do - though not all.
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It's one and the same. Your software is only as good as the OEM peddling it for you.
 
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*LTD* said:
Yes. It's what happens when you universally-license. User Experience goes out the window. MS loses control of their own product. The one they spent painstakingly long hours creating (ones would hope.) It's absurd.

When you whore out your OS to anyone and their dog, you not only display a fundamental disrespect for your own product, but also for the end-user.
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It's pretty simple to get it back to stock though, just uninstall the programs you don't need/use when you set up the computer. If that's too much for a person to do, maybe a Mac is their best option, but for a lot of people it's a pretty simple task.

It's not a display of "fundamental disrespect" to license out software, it offers the end user choice, something that a lot of people value.
 
*LTD* said:
You missed the definition.
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You said it yourself.

Smart thing to do.
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The overall PC market is bigger and more profitable than iOS devices.
Ok. Make sure you convince HP of that. They're looking to exit "the category which means the most to people." I wonder who's next to go?
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To THEM - because they are realigning their focusses and becoming a business manufacturer. Only their personal division will go - they will continue to produce workstations.

The category is changing. Scary, aint it? Most major technological shifts certainly can be.
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You're scary. That's not a compliment.

It's one and the same. Your software is only as good as the OEM peddling it for you.
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Erm no.
 
boss.king said:
It's pretty simple to get it back to stock though, just uninstall the programs you don't need/use when you set up the computer. If that's too much for a person to do, maybe a Mac is their best option, but for a lot of people it's a pretty simple task.

It's not a display of "fundamental disrespect" to license out software, it offers the end user choice, something that a lot of people value.
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Or just clean install Windows (Which is what this thread is about, not OEMs).

So lets stay on topic people. This is a Windows 8 thread, not an Apple thread.
 
TheSideshow said:
Or just clean install Windows (Which is what this thread is about, not OEMs).

So lets stay on topic people. This is a Windows 8 thread, not an Apple thread.
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A clean install is a much better solution (I was just going for the most beginner friendly one).

Back on topic: Can someone explain how the photo-login thing works? do you just randomly choose parts of a photo to use or does Windows do that on its own?
 
boss.king said:
A clean install is a much better solution (I was just going for the most beginner friendly one).

Back on topic: Can someone explain how the photo-login thing works? do you just randomly choose parts of a photo to use or does Windows do that on its own?
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Yep, you choose points on a photo and voila! Much more intuitive than OS X.
 
boss.king said:
A clean install is a much better solution (I was just going for the most beginner friendly one).

Back on topic: Can someone explain how the photo-login thing works? do you just randomly choose parts of a photo to use or does Windows do that on its own?
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Im aware. It wasnt meant to go against what you said. It was merely another option and then I went on about staying on topic with Windows 8 instead of giving LTD another thread to moan about Windows OEMs in.
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My Windows 8 experience is that I like where they are going, but the Dev Preview has too many issues with my switchable graphics card right now and it results in huge battery drains or blank screens depending on how I set it up.

At first I thought the new UX was non-intuitive and that they only focused on the tablet aspect, but after setting up the Start Screen with my items and programs I found it nice. I LOVE the metro UI. My parents were in awe when I showed them. The biggest issue I have with the Windows 8 navigation is that it works well for programs/metro apps, but settings windows are harder to get to and get back to as I recall. Im waiting for the beta to try it again though.

Im not sure if this was mentioned, but put your mouse on the left side of the screen and scroll to see the last used apps and then click to bring in the one you want.
 
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ct2k7 said:
Yep, you choose points on a photo and voila! Much more intuitive than OS X.
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Cool, it looks like an interesting addition.

TheSideshow said:
Im aware. It wasnt meant to go against what you said. It was merely another option and then I went on about staying on topic with Windows 8 instead of giving LTD another thread to moan about Windows OEMs in.
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Haha, good thinking :)
 
Contracts is amazing. Being in one app and stating you want to "share" means that any other app written to do so can accept that share and use it in their own way. Special cases dont need to be written for apps to communicate. So while each app is in its own sandbox, they have a quick and clean way to communicate with other apps and share what they want.

The way they use the Charms means you dont need to search for settings in the app or in the OS settings app like iOS. Its always just in the settings charm that you bring in from the right or go to the bottom left of the screen (depending on touch or mouse).

The cleaniness of Metro is clean and beautiful. Again, like WP7, it makes iOS looks like fisher price
 
TheSideshow said:
Contracts is amazing. Being in one app and stating you want to "share" means that any other app written to do so can accept that share and use it in their own way. Special cases dont need to be written for apps to communicate. So while each app is in its own sandbox, they have a quick and clean way to communicate with other apps and share what they want.
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While I appreciate the concept and would like to see it in iOS, how exactly is it better than a simple object Drag&Drop-paradigm in OS X?

Metro really seems to compete with iOS more than with OS X.
 
tkermit said:
While I appreciate the concept and would like to see it in iOS, how exactly is it better than a simple object Drag&Drop-paradigm in OS X?

Metro really seems to compete with iOS more than with OS X.
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So if you are in an app (say a photo app) and you want to upload a photo to facebook, you just bring up the charms, select share and then click on "socialite" (the Windows 8 facebook app) and it can post it to your wall for example (really whatever the programmer writes in). You can do this without even leaving the app. It brings up a bar from the right where you share it and then it goes away.

Another example is if you have photos in the cloud on skydrive, you can just send a photo to twitter right from you skydrive using share. There is NO NEED TO EVEN DOWNLOAD THE PHOTO FIRST. Its all written to go right form skydrive or another online service to whatever you want.


Metro (the Metro UI side of Windows 8) is meant to compete with iOS on tablets being that it is simple and efficient. But it also has all of Windows still there (not loaded until you want it to) to compete with OS X.

The other feature I love is pinning an app side by side on the metro UI. So you can have you twitter feed on the left edge and your other apps on the rest of the screen for example.

How about Windows 8 running off a USB stick? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFSLy2u4eCc
 
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*LTD* said:
If that's "success" they can most certainly have the crown and keep it.

There's your $400 Dell . . . and then there's a Mac.

Keep in mind, though, that Apple's penalty for "losing" the PC war in the 1990s is that they're now the most profitable PC maker in the world. Mac sales growth has outpaced the industry for well over 20 consecutive quarters. Apple owns the $1000+ category. And they are set to have another record quarter (already well into double-digit share in the US) selling expensive gear that runs an unlicensed, closed-platform OS.

Apple doesn't ship junk.
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How much do they pay you? You must be in the marketing department. Even Steve wouldn't approve of the shilling.
 
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ct2k7 said:
Apple isn't just a PC maker, their priority it seems, first and foremost is with iOS.
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I don't know about how bigger a priority iOS stuff is above the Mac, but whatever that is, Apple still manages to produce marvels of technology like the current MacBook Air's that no other PC-maker is able to replicate. And the real innovations that Lion is bringing about (things like resume/autosave/versions) are really setting the tone of modern computing, much more than animated tiles and typography. So, priority or not, Apple is pretty damn serious about the Mac platform, make no mistake about that.

ct2k7 said:
The overall PC market is bigger and more profitable than iOS devices.
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Bigger? Maybe, maybe not. iOS devices compete in the mobile computing market which is already huge and growing at tremendous pace. The PC market is stagnant at best, and probably will shrink sooner than later. (And by the way, the whole point of WP7 and Windows 8 as it is developed is about Microsoft catching up in that area where they're being beleaguered.)

Profitable? Yeah, so profitable that the #1 PC-maker HP is in the process spinning-off its PC division to clean up their bottom-line.
 
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*LTD* said:
Apple leads the PC industry in profit share. This is a fact.
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Uh no. Compare Windows profit to Mac profits last quarter. I'm sure Windows made more. Remember Apple makes most of their profits on iOS related products.
 
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