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Windows 8 will fail?
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Microsoft has usually given more choice than Apple, so unless its already been implemented, but the choice to setup the OS to boot into either Metro or Classic should be there, or have metro be completely removed/blocked after the initial install of the OS.
That would basically solve all the problems. Choice is great, something that Apple is very uncomfortable with.
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You could make the same argument about certain garbage that was implemented into Lion and Mountain Lion; mission control, launchpad, resume. All ridiculously lousy features of OS X thats been consistently iPadified over the years.
Those were also answers from Apple to a question no one asked, and the community GREATLY disagreed however only Mission Control got a fix to show all windows all at once (ungrouped).
Those are the stupidest videos in the world. You sit anyone down in front of something completely unfamiliar without any clue on how to use it, and they'll be completely stumped.
I've even got a personal example for you. It took my granny 3 months before she became comfortable using the iPad. iOS is supposed to be the easiest thing in the world to use, right? Well, she didn't know what did what. For her, iOS had a steep learning curve.
Does that mean iOS sucks and is difficult to use? Of course not. Hell, sit an old man down in front of OSX, and tell him to get on the internet. Do you think he's gonna go straight towards the compass icon without a second thought? No. He'll be looking around confused, afraid to press anything because he's scared he might break it.
Funny a nooneknowsabout guy like you will comment like that. Ballmer is a clever man.
And if you ask me Windows 8 is brilliant. Yes Im on Mac, but Im not like the typical fanboy - I see more than the logo. I see sence.
Windows 8 - for touch and for mouse/trackpad. Klick one tile and you have a normal desktop.
iOS and Mac OS X don't "work" together.
Windows 8 + Windows 8 for Tablets + Windows Phone 8 + xBox 360 all work together now. That really is kind of brilliant.
I have the best of all companies. Apple, Microsoft and Google Android.
All 3 have their plus's - Windows will always be the biggest OS Im sure.
People (most people) dont like the way your bound by Apple. And Im also starting to dislike it. After my 2 days with the iPhone 5 I gave it to my daughter. I still have a iphone (4S) but all my work is now done on a Galaxay Note 2 phone. It's soooo much faster. It doesnt crash. It has a maps app. It works with AirPlay so I still can use my AppleTV, I can have 2 apps open on the screen at one time and so on and so on.
iOS has no freedom. It's fast yes... (not on iPhone 4 - lags like ****) - and there is a BUNCH of Apps. But the phone OS it self? Boring and you cant do anything that Apple dont wont you to.
But try explaining that to a fanboy. Once I was one... But Im not stupid. Apple makes money (still) with iPhone. But it's getting VERY old to use.
Actually most people can start using iOS and OSX right out the box with a very little learning curve.
The guy could barely maneuver around in W8.
How much is MS paying you? Cause you fail to accept MS did not make W8 as user friendly or intuitive as they try to make it seem.
Neither does Windows RT, except it hasn't got the bunch of Apps like iOS does.
Mission Control isn't in iOS, and what's so bad about Launchpad? I basically had Launchpad in Leopard (now at Snow Leopard) because I put all of my applications in my Applications folder and put that on my dock with the gridded preview setting. Launchpad is just easier than that.
I've never used Resume, and Mission Control isn't bad.
Think when you answer...
WINDOWS USERS HAS A CHOICE - Apple users NOT. And windows have like 100 users for every time Mac OS X has 1 - soooo in 2-3 years there will be more app's for the Windows version anyway
Depends on how comfortable they are with computers in general. All of us here could pick up iOS and use it. Someone who isn't used to it, though? Like having to doubleclick the home button twice to bring up the multitasker, to hold your finger down on the icons displayed there for two seconds then click the - button to close an app? To do the same to move apps around? There are some things about iOS that aren't immediately apparent, and have to be explained before someone can take advantage of them.
...much like getting to the start menu in Windows 8. Or accessing mission control in OSX. Or using Gnome 3 in Linux. There's a learning curve to everything. To sit someone down in front of an OS they have no idea how to use and expect them to magically begin hacking away at it like an old pro as an example of usability is a setup for failure.
I guess I could get my grandma, sit her down in front of a Mac, and film her stumbling around while screaming "SUCK IT APPLE FANBOYS", but I'd have to be an idiot to waste my time doing that.
Windows 8 is no more difficult to use than Win7 once you learn how to use the new features.
Not nearly enough.
Yeah, I'm also wondering how Microsoft didn't lose major market share after keeping an unstable/insecure OS (XP) for so long then, after all those years of waiting, came out with Vista, the second worst version of Windows I've ever used. Sure they cleaned up their act with Windows 7, but I can't see how people would stick with Windows through that mess.
Mac OS X has 10% market share, I think. Some sources claim 8.5%.
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I'd consider XP less stable than 7 and 2000. My cousin and I used to both use it a lot, and we always ran into weird problems. The XP interface looks terrible, too, but you can switch it to "Classic", so it's OK.
7 recovers from problems with a lot more grace than XP did, but I wouldn't say it's more stable. Same thing with 2000, which XP basically was.
I never had any problems out of XP, besides it overstaying it's welcome. Got kinda boring using the same OS for 8 years straight.
I think Windows 8 will do very well.
If Apple fails to reveal a new Mac Mini next week, I'll probably get a Windows 8 PC to replace my current rig.
If Apple fails to reveal a new Mac Mini next week, I'll probably get a Windows 8 PC to replace my current rig.
Let's not get personal here, its just an opinion. I have been involved in IT for over 30 years and in all that time Ballmer has never struck me as a gifted leader in any way. MS was doing fine when Bill was in charge but has languished under Ballmer and the stock price attests to that. I am no Apple fanboy either but I don't see any great leadership at MS.
I tried Windows 8 on a Latitude XT3, with touch and digitizer pen input. I positively hated the Metro UI. If I hated it on a convertible laptop with a touchscreen, I wouldn't even try it on my desktop. I do agree Metro is quite nice on a phone and tablet, but not on my desktop or laptop.
I'm a Windows veteran since 3.1. This will be the first major Windows release I'll be sitting out on.
I'm a Windows veteran since 3.1. This will be the first major Windows release I'll be sitting out on.
Im not personal. You attacked Ballmer. Soooo you were personal.
But you write like a fanboy. And then it's hard to take it seriously what you write when you go blind through the world
Did I? I gave an opinion. Some MS products I like, some I do not. Just like Apple. I like W7 a lot, more so than many versions of OS X. I dislike iOS and prefer Android. And I didn't attack Ballmer, I just thought he is a lousy CEO. The stock market seems to agree but for some reason he has kept his job. I think you are trying to read things into posts that are just not there. Please give me an example of Ballmer being "clever", besides the fact that he was Bill's roommate at uni.
I'll leave you with this bit from his Wikipedia page:
But I guess their opinions count more because they are not "nooneknowsabout guys".
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Kindly be less obtuse, ignorant, rude, patronising and flippant when you answer....
What does 'windows users has a choice, apple users not' even mean? You fail to qualify your sticato sentences with non sensical arguments.
Windows RT is not compatible with current software and must have application written specifically for it. No one knows if it will get the same developer support as normal windows, and going on current selection of Applications available on Windows mobile handsets, it has in comparison far far less applications than iOS.
Your argument makes no sense in regards to windows RT. There may be more windows users currently but they are not windows RT users, much like their maybe more windows users to mac users but there are still far less windows mobile users.
Do not assume that an application available on Windows 8 will be available on Windows RT.
So no, please 'you think' for a change before answering and stop acting like the 'fanboy' you keep insinuating everyone else is.
Do I need you to look at my signature to see that I don't hate Microsoft ? Simples...
I think Windows 8 will succeed, it does take some effort to adjust to it, but I think with time most will and soon even prefer it. It opens up new touch hardware which is a more natural way to interact.
Question: Why did MS develop RT and then only release a RT surface at launch?
The Atom based Win 8 tablets get as long or longer battery life, Intel is commited to improving the power drain of future cpu's.
The massive potential advantage of full windows 8 tablets is they run existing windows software but MS releases one that does not?
That is a mystery to me and then even more so why is anyone buying it, dont they know Atom tablets are available at launch?
Question: Why did MS develop RT and then only release a RT surface at launch?
The Atom based Win 8 tablets get as long or longer battery life, Intel is commited to improving the power drain of future cpu's.
The massive potential advantage of full windows 8 tablets is they run existing windows software but MS releases one that does not?
That is a mystery to me and then even more so why is anyone buying it, dont they know Atom tablets are available at launch?
I think Windows 8 looks awesome. For the pc, the phone, and the tablets. I'm sure it's not going to be very corporate friendly, but for a casual pc user I think it looks cool. I plan to dual boot it to the new iMac I hope to buy next month to give it a fair shot. It's a refreshing UI, and they're trying to be original.
I don't think it will be as widely adopted as XP or 7, but I think it deserves a fair shot, at least for the casual users.
I don't think it will be as widely adopted as XP or 7, but I think it deserves a fair shot, at least for the casual users.
