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Windows based pc's are horrid
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Well, that's fair enough and I must confess that I also remember, all too well the days of seizing up, crashes, endlessly "fighting viruses", downloading "some" update and, above all, the hell on earth of the endless spam. Those are some of the reasons I switched.
Macs sometimes seize up, too, (and I loathe the sight of the dreaded spinning beach-ball, although it is a rare vision since I got my MBA), but overall, they are better designed computers with a better OS.
Even though this is a Mac Forum, and has a large population (among whom I would count myself) of possibly ardent fans of OSX, I find the almost instinctive strongly negative reaction towards anything from the world of Windows a bit, er, excessive at times.
Regarding computers, I can only repeat that my experience of my old Sony and Toshiba was pretty good; the computers themselves never gave any trouble; needless to say, the Windows OS did.
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I get beach balls also. I have a problem with the cheap fit and finish of pc's and how they use gimmicks to make them stand out(fingerprint scanners, eye scanners, pop out remotes, etc. I gave pc a chance, the samsung series 9 seemed to be on par with mac and for the most part its hardware is if not better. But the software was horrible, and if it was a lemon like some are saying then they need better quality control. $1300 and it should be flawless.
from a thread on the Lenovo X1:
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/12456089/
now, that may or may not be just hardware failure, but if you want to see me cry, you will need to provide some actual data.
quality control? hop on over to the MBP forum and see what many think about the QC on their $2000+ machines.
Sorry, I should have read your entire post, I was responding to "Its rare and you could google instability between the two and it would explain a lot."
I've since gone back and read your entire thread. Will you be publishing your detailed statistical analysis of Computer Retailer Repairer Outlook on the Relative Stability of OSX versus Win based PC's and their Relationship to Ophthalmic Secretion any time soon?
No I don't... its a given that windows based pc's are junk. You can google your own data. Or walk into a any best buy across the U.S. and see what they service.
Its the reason people jumped all over this thread. Because they now pc's are terrible.
Mac OS should be some sort of a miracle, since you find Win7 clunky, slow and unstable.
It is pretty stable and functional even on a low budget, underpowered hardware.
Five BDrips playing simultaneously at 720p with average bitrate at 2.5Mb/s each, dts and ac3 decoding, five chrome windows with 10+ tabs each with flash inside, everything stable and responsive at 35-40% CPU load. On a cheap atom cpu and 2 gigs of ram.
XP was rock solid stable, 7 is even pretty and productive in addition.
Windows 7 is a great operating system. It's fast, stable, and straight-to-the-point with a nice layout. The Samsung Series 9 notebook is rather expensive though, and it's a niche product.
Anyways, before I get straight to the point, I consider myself someone who is unbiased towards most things to do with technology. When it comes to Apple, Windows, Linux, or any other operating system, my opinion is based on what it can do for me. I tend to appreciate most of what is there. When it comes to physical hardware, price-points, various technologies, etc, etc... again, I tend to appreciate everything that is there. I own a custom built computer of my own (which I assembled), and the operating system I chose to install on it was Windows 7. I intend to purchase a Macbook Air, and obviously the operating system I will use on that is OSX Lion.
So let's go through this...
Crashing:
How did you manage to get Windows 7 to crash on you? It sounds like you must've been visiting some pornographic websites (somewhere you might get a virus malicious enough to tear your formatted partition to shreds), compiling and running horrible code in C or some other operating system, or messing around with something. Because Windows 7 just doesn't crash; unless if you're overclocking or have a faulty part, I presume (RAM, hard drive, motherboard, etc): However, such a scenario can happen in an Apple computer as well.
Clunky:
This is your own opinion. It's only clunky if you make it clunky for yourself. I am certainly well-organized on my computer. It's very easy to get things done. I have photoshop projects, tons of movies, pictures, games, etc.
Slow:
Windows 7 by itself is not slow. If your hardware is old and horrible, I presume you could be bogged down. So long as you are operating on a minimum of 2GB of RAM, and have a dual-core processor or better, then Windows 7 will run seamlessly. The Samsung Series 9 is obviously capable of doing this, as it exceeds those requirements.
So what could be slowing you down? One of two things:
1. You are expecting the computer to run intensive tasks and hoping it will beast through them like a powerhouse desktop would. Not so. One cannot expect this of a Macbook Air, nor a Samsung Series 9. Ultraportable laptops simply are not designed to do what a decent modern desktop can do.
2. You have bloatware installed on your computer. In this case, simply go to "MSConfig" (you can do this under the search bar), and modify your startup programs. Simple as that. Reduce it down to simply your antivirus, and whatever else that you require. You will then start up with less programs.
Then, uninstall any useless bloatware that you don't need (ex. if you have a yahoo toolbar or something of the like preinstalled).
Then, install Google Chrome, Firefox, or Opera as your browser. Any of these are much faster than Microsoft's Internet Explorer browser, last I checked.
Now you're bloatware free. Be careful when you install a program (ex. let's say you're installing VLC Media Player); when you go to install the program, if you click "accept" and continue through everything, you may be accepting to install an additional little-something-else (bloatware), which you will then have to uninstall afterward.
Windows 7 offers you a lot of freedom, it's stable, it's relatively secure (so long as you're competent with your computer and don't download illegal torrents or visit shady sites), and it's fast. If you don't think so, that's fine. It's not for you. That's A-Okay. But you are unintelligently bashing the operating system, and inadvertently bashing most non-Apple branded computers.
Price-to-performance is what it comes down to for me. I have faith in both the Apple operating system, and the Windows operating system (based on what's currently on the market); I think Lion will probably be fine as well. So what it usually comes down to for me is what is the best offering for the money. When it comes to desktops, building my own is always the best route... there's simply no question about it. When it comes to laptops, that's a different story: The Macbook Air refresh (assuming certain things that have been predicted will come true) appears to be the best route based on the quality of the screen, keyboard, shell, parts, trackpad, aesthetics, etc.
I simply don't buy into this fanboyism nonsense. A product is what a product is. If a company is bad to its consumers on a regular basis, that's a different story altogether. However, Microsoft is not bad to its consumers. A company which I might point at in a non-fanboyist way would be OCZ: They create desktop hardware which is designed to have inflated numbers (SSD's that have high storage capacities and fast claimed reads/writes), they create cheap power supplies with high wattage ratings, they create cheap RAM that looks fancy and is painted gold... etc, etc. But what they do is they put the cheapest of the cheap components in there (B-grade material), and their products fail or break within hours, days, weeks, or months of use. That is an example of a bad company; that is an example of where you can start to get mad at a company for basing its profits off of a horribly flawed product-base. But senselessly bashing Windows... no... that's fanboyism. There's no need to post about that. If you want to compare Lion to Windows 7, and contrast the benefits and the drawbacks... and you conclude Windows 7 is worse based on your factual analysis (which may include your own qualitative opinion), then that's absolutely fine.
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Well obviously junk computers are junk. Have you ever tried comparing a $350 PC to a $2000 PC? I haven't purchased an everyday laptop that cost less than $950 since 2005, and guess what: I haven't gotten a "junk" PC yet.
And more often than not, you'll find that Apple stores exclusively service Mac's, where as Best Buy can service all manner of PC's, but has to ship out the mac... so I'd say probably close to 100% of all computers serviced in a Best Buy are PC.. what's your point?
I use a toshiba with windows 7. I only have windows updates (not manufacturer updates), I have no virus because I know where to not click in the web, and it never locks up.
I'm new to the mac world, and I've known very few people with macbooks (including myself).
Let's see, my macbook pro's superdrive broke on its own twice in a year.
My friend's macbook's motherboard died around 2-3 months after the 1 year warranty. They asked for 600euros to repair,no thanks.
My other friend's macbook pro's hdd broke twice in 1,5 year (although the second time he was in the US, and apple gave him a whole new macbook pro so I can't say anything about that).
The point is, my experience with macbooks hasn't been better than my experience with PCs. And that changes, depending on your luck tbh!
So don't bash on Windows for catching viruses, most of the time it's the user's fault!
Don't bash windows on stability as I've experienced it myself and it's great. I'm not talking about features, Snow leopard beats win7 in that fight, sure.
I just don't get how people screw their PCs so much that windows or wintel laptops seem so ******.
I mean, sure, windows vista sucked. We all know that, Bill Gates knows that! But windows 7 is a great OS, better than XP (although many people still think xp is better for some reason
)OSX and Apple hardware are just plain more elegant.
I have a Windows 7 box as well. I'm using it now actually. But it is just more sloppy.
OSX and Apple hardware are like a clean organized office with nice furniture.
Windows is the messy office with STacks of paper everywhere and furniture that feels like it is going to break apart at any moment. Yes everything is there and then some, but good luck finding it.
I have a Windows 7 box as well. I'm using it now actually. But it is just more sloppy.
OSX and Apple hardware are like a clean organized office with nice furniture.
Windows is the messy office with STacks of paper everywhere and furniture that feels like it is going to break apart at any moment. Yes everything is there and then some, but good luck finding it.
Yet armed with the knowledge that Windows based PC's are junk you still thought it was a good idea to buy a Windows based PC. I'm beginning to suspect that your hardware/software issues are most likely user induced.
BTW, I'm not jumping on this thread because I agree with you, I'm jumping on this thread because you amuse me.
ill say 100% it's crapware that's slowing you down....and of those im betting mcafee or norton are the main reasons...simple delete them from "programs and features" reboot,then install microsofts own "security essentials".......
even a better root would be to do a clean install of windows 7 and then install updated drivers.......
ps: there also a program called "PC DeCrapifier" you might want to try........
even a better root would be to do a clean install of windows 7 and then install updated drivers.......
ps: there also a program called "PC DeCrapifier" you might want to try........
How sad for you.
I, on the other hand, use both Win 7 & OS X.
I find them near mirror images of each other when it comes to speed, stability & reliability. I haven't experienced a crash or any other annoyance for years. I routinely endorse them equally when asked.
Perhaps your experience was simply a fluke, followed by a knee jerk reaction.
Seems like there is a lot of defending for windows software. I think its horrible runs terrible and its stuck in 1995. It has no vision, no innovation, its just a bunch of thrown together internals in plastic cases. Clicking noises, turbines blowing. I understand you can mess with them, but as a consumer I think its horrible and if microsoft thought it was fine they wouldn't be changing it entirely.
Windows 7 is the most feature rich out-of-the-box operating system currently available on any hardware. Anyone experiencing problems with it is using it wrong.
Mac OS requires updates just like Windows requires updates. Windows 7 goes a step further by doing background defrag and disk checks. Where things might go awry is with the various applications one runs. Office 2010, for example, will be nice initially but then slows to a grinding halt over time. Same with most Adobe apps, same with most browsers except IE9. Mac OS isn't as affected by its running apps, but it still gets beachballs due to a rogue app from time to time.
I have sold otherwise rock solid computers to people who bring them to their knees within months. I sold a MacBook Air to a guy who managed to somehow get the screen separated from the keyboard, clean broken hinge. I sold a Gateway 17" that was an absolute beast, never a problem, the guy killed the software and the hardware within 2 months of owning it.
What I have learned in my 3 years of working IT and 25-something years of computing experience is that no matter how good an OS or a piece of hardware is, it just doesn't matter if the user(s) misuse the thing.
Mac OS requires updates just like Windows requires updates. Windows 7 goes a step further by doing background defrag and disk checks. Where things might go awry is with the various applications one runs. Office 2010, for example, will be nice initially but then slows to a grinding halt over time. Same with most Adobe apps, same with most browsers except IE9. Mac OS isn't as affected by its running apps, but it still gets beachballs due to a rogue app from time to time.
I have sold otherwise rock solid computers to people who bring them to their knees within months. I sold a MacBook Air to a guy who managed to somehow get the screen separated from the keyboard, clean broken hinge. I sold a Gateway 17" that was an absolute beast, never a problem, the guy killed the software and the hardware within 2 months of owning it.
What I have learned in my 3 years of working IT and 25-something years of computing experience is that no matter how good an OS or a piece of hardware is, it just doesn't matter if the user(s) misuse the thing.
Get this: Microsoft is primarily a software company. They sell operating systems, and other software. They don't sell computers. Other companies sell the computers.
If you want cheap plastic crap, then you can buy that. If you want nice expensive metal stuff, you can get that too. Just purchase what you want. PC's (I hate using that term since a Mac is a PC too)... anyways... Windows-based PC's can be purchased in any size shape and form... to an extent. You can get an expensive aluminum/metal case, expensive fans, etc. You just have to go out and buy exactly what you want. Instead, you're comparing cheaper computers with basic plastic cases to an expensive Mac.
In the end, you get what you pay for. So long as you know what you're doing, you can have a high quality PC as well. A consumer who does no thinking and just buys random stuff that they don't like in the first place is obviously going to complain... or they don't care enough to complain.
Anyways... there's too many things that are absolutely wrong with your statement... it's mind-boggling how wrong you are. YOU are the one stuck in 1995.... not the other way around <_<. (Yes, that was a euphemism, or simple way, of calling you "set back"... the loose definition of the word "retarded"). Okay maybe I went a little far... but you're being closed-minded and very dark-ages about this whole concept of actually looking at Windows as something other than a plague that must be avoided at all costs.
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I think your MacBook Air is yearning. Why waste so much energy bad-mouthing an OS when the simplest solution is to avoid using it?
Opinions are a dime a dozen. So far, I can only say that your impressions of Windows are based off of long-held biases. At this point, nothing Microsoft does will impress you.
Or, you are simply trolling. If that's the case, I'd try Neowin.
It's odd that this pseudo-conflict never ends. For much of the work that a lot of people do, the only software is Widows based software. And it is not simply adequate, it works and is good quality. "Vision and innovation" don't mean much if there is no actual software alternatives that you are talking about.
seems like your plan to get a rah rah out of the people here has back fired on you. well surprise.. there are sensible apple users here unlike you. if you managed to crash things multiple times within windows 7 and with a new hardware like the series 9, then you should look at yourself and how you're using the computer instead. i use both os, and windows 7 is as stable as osx. you over exaggerate.
Problem with Windows is all the stupid **** Microsoft put in there. Like last night when in the middle of my gaming session my gaming rig started lagging badly. After having to quit my game, check task manager and do some googling I found out that it was the "Windows assesment tool" taking up 90% of the CPU. So then I had to find out how to disable that before I could continue playing.
Stuff like that annoys me, I should not have to spend 5-10 minutes to make Windows NOT disturb my computing.
But yeah, Windows 7 does get fewer blue screens and crashes than previous versions.
I gave him the benefit of the doubt at first, but at this point his intentions seem clear. Its also nice to see a good portion of the Mac community has evolved far beyond "Desktop OS Wars" (and moved on Mobile OS wars
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