Windows is just better.

[q3anon]

But that's strictly their right on a forum that embraces all types of opinions. And one persons definition of ranting is another persons sharing their opinion. But what can be construed as counter productive is the way some get real defensive when someone shares their opinion/rant. It's as if questioning or saying something negative about Apple or an Apple product becomes a personal attack on them like their Mom was insulted.

If Apple makes a trash keyboard i.e. "butterfly kybd" or a display cable that has a tendency of breaking and they drop it in a $2K plus machine, you can expect some people to get upset especially when it breaks after the warranty. That's not ranting, they're just calling out Apple for their business practices.

I don't own any Apple laptops, just a couple of Mini's. When I do have a problem I try and find a solution, if there isn't one I either wait or use that as a decision maker when it comes time to reevaluate another Apple purchase.

But there are some who just decide to sound off, nothing wrong with that.

Congratulations. I agree with you. It seems that for some people around here when others express their negative opinion about Apple products is a personal offense.

 

[TiggrToo]

Even Leo Laporte does not like windows, it was on his radio show.

A tech pundit doesn't like something? Stop the presses!

Sorry, really not sure why Mr Laporte'as views on Windows should bother me one iota.

I've never heard about him before and had to look him up before replying. So yeah, his views on Windows means that much to me...

 

[fisherking]

But that's strictly their right on a forum that embraces all types of opinions. And one persons definition of ranting is another persons sharing their opinion. But what can be construed as counter productive is the way some get real defensive when someone shares their opinion/rant. It's as if questioning or saying something negative about Apple or an Apple product becomes a personal attack on them like their Mom was insulted.

If Apple makes a trash keyboard i.e. "butterfly kybd" or a display cable that has a tendency of breaking and they drop it in a $2K plus machine, you can expect some people to get upset especially when it breaks after the warranty. That's not ranting, they're just calling out Apple for their business practices.

I don't own any Apple laptops, just a couple of Mini's. When I do have a problem I try and find a solution, if there isn't one I either wait or use that as a decision maker when it comes time to reevaluate another Apple purchase.

But there are some who just decide to sound off, nothing wrong with that.

there is nothing wrong with sounding off about an issue, but a rant is a rant. for example. the butterfly keyboard was not much liked, but i've been typing on a 12 macbook from 2016 every day, and am fine with it. see? it's not 'one size fits all', or 'what i think is all that matters' (& that goes for me, too).

the difference between having a bad experience, or not liking something and posting about it, versus whining, hateful, or juvenile ranting is significant. but this is the macrumors forums, and not expecting much to change.

 

[JagdTiger]

A tech pundit doesn't like something? Stop the presses!

Sorry, really not sure why Mr Laporte'as views on Windows should bother me one iota.

I've never heard about him before and had to look him up before replying. So yeah, his views on Windows means that much to me...

He does say if people like it then use it.

 

[Heat_Fan89]

there is nothing wrong with sounding off about an issue, but a rant is a rant. for example. the butterfly keyboard was not much liked, but i've been typing on a 12 macbook from 2016 every day, and am fine with it. see? it's not 'one size fits all', or 'what i think is all that matters' (& that goes for me, too).

the difference between having a bad experience, or not liking something and posting about it, versus whining, hateful, or juvenile ranting is significant. but this is the macrumors forums, and not expecting much to change.

But you are the one who appears to be deciding for everyone what is a rant and what isn't. See it's not one size fits all !

Sometimes complaints are legit. You have never had a problem with your butterfly kybd? Congrats, others have had issues and have sounded off after spending thousands on their laptop. There are some who had to deal with the starlight display effect. They have a right to complain/rant just as you have the right when you call them out for it.

 

[TiggrToo]

He does say if people like it then use it.

So, what on earth was the point of your post, then?

 

[fisherking]

But you are the one who appears to be deciding for everyone what is a rant and what isn't. See it's not one size fits all !

Sometimes complaints are legit. You have never had a problem with your butterfly kybd? Congrats, others have had issues and have sounded off after spending thousands on their laptop. There are some who had to deal with the starlight display effect. They have a right to complain/rant just as you have the right when you call them out for it.

of course some complaints are legit; if someone doesn't like, for example, the butterfly keyboard, they can say so. but if they say 'don't buy the new macbook!! the butterfly keyboard sucks', they're saying... nothing.

"catalina sucks" "don't upgrade, this update will kill your email/internet/dog"etc..

what makes these discussions interesting is... there are different opinions. but ranting is just juvenile behavior, and it's a shame there's so much of it here.

btw, i did say "that goes for me too"

 

[JagdTiger]

So, what on earth was the point of your post, then?

There are people which don't like Windows.

 

[TiggrToo]

There are people which don't like Windows.

And where did I say there were not? Still unsure what on earth the point of your post was.

 

[snow755]

There are people which don't like Windows.

yep and I this having too of them I do not like windows it took me years and years be for I got my 1st Mac but I am a happy owner of a MacBook Air 2017 and iMac 2019 wish I both love my last laptop was a chrome book OS wish was ok but yuck I find MacOS too be far much better then windows

 

[simonmet]

My MacBook Pro 16” with macOS Catalina is just meh; it’s buggy, kernel panics when I simple connect two monitors, it’s unstable with Logic Pro X and some plugins, etc. It sucks, I can even reproduce a kernel panic with the AirPods Pro.

Btw Xcode is another trash app, I mean you need to reinstall the whole thing if you want some stuff working again and the autocomplete feature only works sometimes. it’s the stupidest KDE ever made, bloated as ****, for any “new feature” introduced there are 50 new bugs.

Meanwhile my other laptop, a Lenovo thinkpad with windows 10 “just works”, it takes 11 seconds to boot and browse on chrome, it never fails, I can connect whatever I want without any issues, it is reliable at everything and it has an i5.

I don’t understand why some people claim macOS Catalina works flawlessly well for them, it’s not true, otherwise at least one of the Apple devices at home should work as they describe on macOS Catalina, but they don’t.

I wanna know if it’s possible to downgrade my iMac to High Sierra and block any update, my MacBook Pro is ready to collect dust on a table. I hate it, I wish there were a way to downgrade to Mojave, but there’s not. It’s stuck on the worst operating system ever made, I bet a Linux distro built in some basement works better.

Yes it’s a rant because I can’t believe their latest software made for the hardware they build can fail in such ways. Totally dissatisfied and disappointed. **** Apple and their quality control when it comes to the MacBook Pro and macOS.

PS: My battery life is at 97% after 16 cycles. Da heck, I am pretty sure macOS Catalina 10.15.4 kills the battery while failing.

PPS:No, it’s not my unit, my mum’s MacBook Pro 16” battery life is at 95.7% after 46 cycles.

Both laptops were bought in different stores at different times.

Lost me at “Chrome”.

 

[Ethosik]

Lost me at “Chrome”.

Unfortunately YouTube seems to work best with Chrome. I tried it with the new Chromium Edge, Brave, Safari and Firefox but would get random issues. Chrome never has issues with YouTube.

 

[petvas]

Unfortunately YouTube seems to work best with Chrome. I tried it with the new Chromium Edge, Brave, Safari and Firefox but would get random issues. Chrome never has issues with YouTube.

Of course it doesn't have any issues. It's made from the same company that has YouTube. Google has been caught many times making YouTube work bad on all browsers, except of course Chrome.

 

[Phil77354]

As a longtime Mac user, and someone who has also always had Windows computers at work, I not only disagree with the sentiment that 'Windows is just better', I think that some historical perspective may be relevant to the discussion (if not already pointed out).

In the 'early days' of Mac computers, it could be a significant disadvantage to be a Mac user - software incompatibility was a big issue, for one thing. It seems like it has only been recently that you could use Office programs on the Mac and not have problems going back and forth sharing those documents with Windows users.

And there is always the ultimate fallback position of using either Bootcamp, or something like Parallels, if you absolutely must use Windows because of a particular software or other reason.

I can honestly say that I have never seriously considered switching to a Windows computer for my personal use, and with the current broad Apple product line it is far better to have devices that all work very well together.

 

[Ethosik]

As a longtime Mac user, and someone who has also always had Windows computers at work, I not only disagree with the sentiment that 'Windows is just better', I think that some historical perspective may be relevant to the discussion (if not already pointed out).

In the 'early days' of Mac computers, it could be a significant disadvantage to be a Mac user - software incompatibility was a big issue, for one thing. It seems like it has only been recently that you could use Office programs on the Mac and not have problems going back and forth sharing those documents with Windows users.

And there is always the ultimate fallback position of using either Bootcamp, or something like Parallels, if you absolutely must use Windows because of a particular software or other reason.

I can honestly say that I have never seriously considered switching to a Windows computer for my personal use, and with the current broad Apple product line it is far better to have devices that all work very well together.

Windows is by far superior to gaming. No contest. Its not Apple's fault. Linux distributions are also bad at gaming. Windows just has Direct X that makes things 1000% better. Even on the same hardware, Windows beats both Mac and Linux with the same games.

 

[Phil77354]

Windows is by far superior to gaming. No contest. Its not Apple's fault. Linux distributions are also bad at gaming. Windows just has Direct X that makes things 1000% better. Even on the same hardware, Windows beats both Mac and Linux with the same games.

Point taken. I don't do any gaming, so that aspect of Mac vs Windows is completely outside of my experience (or interest). But I appreciate your pointing it out, now if anyone asks me to recommend a computer then I will try to remember to think about this before simply recommending a Mac for everyone!

 

[Ethosik]

Point taken. I don't do any gaming, so that aspect of Mac vs Windows is completely outside of my experience (or interest). But I appreciate your pointing it out, now if anyone asks me to recommend a computer then I will try to remember to think about this before simply recommending a Mac for everyone!

If gaming is secondary, having a Mac with Bootcamp is good enough. If gaming is primary, then a dedicated Windows system is preferred.

It also depends on the type of game too. Games I LOVE and can play them on macOS no issues: Terraria, Factorio, Stardew Valley

 

[simonmet]

Windows is by far superior to gaming. No contest. Its not Apple's fault. Linux distributions are also bad at gaming. Windows just has Direct X that makes things 1000% better. Even on the same hardware, Windows beats both Mac and Linux with the same games.

I agree, but I found something unusual on my 16” Pro with 5500M in that I just did the Unigine Valley benchmark on both Mac and Boot Camp and the Mac version beat Windows by a substantial margin.

I don’t know why, other than the Boot Camp drivers possibly being quite ****. I haven’t tried updating them from bootcampdrivers.com, which some people claim improves compatibility and performance.

 

[Ethosik]

I agree, but I found something unusual on my 16” Pro with 5500M in that I just did the Unigine Valley benchmark on both Mac and Boot Camp and the Mac beat Windows by a substantial margin. I don’t know why, other than the Boot Camp drivers possibly being quite ****. I haven’t tried updating them from bootcampdrivers.com, which some people claim improves compatibility and performance.

Yes it definitely does improve performance. I feel weird using a driver not supplied by AMD so I never install them. But I do know AMDs Windows drivers have gotten MUCH better lately. I tried my 5700XT in my Windows 10 system and it was about the same as my GTX 1080. Several months later I tried it again with newer drivers and it was on average 30% better performance than my GTX 1080. So AMD has definitely improved the performance with drivers.

 

[ctrlzone]

The Best Part about Windows is; you don't have to use Mac Hardware.
The Best Part about Mac is; you don't have to use Windows Software.

 

[Taz Mangus]

The best part for me is not having to use Windows, PERIOD. It’s a really good day when I don’t have to use anything Microsoft.

 

[Phil77354]

The Best Part about Windows is; you don't have to use Mac Hardware.
The Best Part about Mac is; you don't have to use Windows Software.

Yes, I do agree that it would be greatly appreciated if Mac hardware was more easily upgraded/modified/etc.

 

[maflynn]

there are different opinions. but ranting is just juvenile behavior, and it's a shame there's so much of it here.

People are free to offer their opinions, praises and complaints, that even includes ranting. One man's rant is another man's complaint.

Windows is by far superior to gaming. No contest. Its not Apple's fault.

Actually it is apple fault - at least partially. They're the ones that have decided to prohibit 32bit applications from running in Catalina, that removes a huge swath of applications including games. Then there's depreciating openGL, both of those no doubt poured cold water on an already chilly reputation for game playing on a Mac

I agree, but I found something unusual on my 16” Pro with 5500M in that I just did the Unigine Valley benchmark on both Mac and Boot Camp and the Mac version beat Windows by a substantial margin.

My suspicion is that Apple's macos drivers are optimized and the drivers that apple includes for windows are not. I've long had trouble running windows on a mac. Nothing major, but enough to be an annoyance and what became clear fairly quickly is the lack of support and attention to boot camp drivers. I get it, Apple wants mac users to stay in the ecosystem, they really won't make too much money if you start using windows, even on a mac. Why make windows more enticing and the expense of their services.

 

[Ethosik]

People are free to offer their opinions, praises and complaints, that even includes ranting. One man's rant is another man's complaint.


Actually it is apple fault - at least partially. They're the ones that have decided to prohibit 32bit applications from running in Catalina, that removes a huge swath of applications including games. Then there's depreciating openGL, both of those no doubt poured cold water on an already chilly reputation for game playing on a Mac


My suspicion is that Apple's macos drivers are optimized and the drivers that apple includes for windows are not. I've long had trouble running windows on a mac. Nothing major, but enough to be an annoyance and what became clear fairly quickly is the lack of support and attention to boot camp drivers. I get it, Apple wants mac users to stay in the ecosystem, they really won't make too much money if you start using windows, even on a mac. Why make windows more enticing and the expense of their services.

Linux distributions still support 32 bit and Windows is still far superior to any game on Linux performance wise. Windows is just the kind of game performance. No fault to the developers of either Linux or macOS.

 

[maflynn]

Linux distributions still support 32 bit and Windows is still far superior to any game on Linux performance wise. Windows is just the kind of game performance. No fault to the developers of either Linux or macOS.

Yes, and that's my point, Linux and windows support 32bit, but apple decided to drop it, thusly reducing an already meager inventory of games