Windows is just better.

[RUGERMAN]

Do you run/use Photos with Catalina? That is where I've heard there have been major issues and as that is my primary photo editor I am hesitant.
Anyway, Mojave works just fine so why fix something that aint broke

Did anyone ever hear of Carbon Copy Cloner? When ever I wanted to install a new OS I simply backup to CCC and boot from that disk for a while if no problems then I install to my internal drive and be on my way.

 

[Tesla1856]

1. My MacBook Pro 16” with macOS Catalina is just meh; it’s buggy, kernel panics when I simple connect two monitors, it’s unstable with Logic Pro X and some plugins, etc. It sucks, I can even reproduce a kernel panic with the AirPods Pro.

2. Btw Xcode is another trash app, I mean you need to reinstall the whole thing if you want some stuff working again and the autocomplete feature only works sometimes. it’s the stupidest KDE ever made, bloated as ****, for any “new feature” introduced there are 50 new bugs.

1. Sounds like maybe you got some bad hardware or something got corrupt. That new machine should be able to run Catalina just fine.

My old Mac-Mini-2012 runs Mojave just fine. It's hardware from a different era, so not planning to force (new architecture) Catalina onto it.

2. Yeah Xcode is getting bloated, but it does a lot. I'm new to iOS development, so Xcode/Swift seems like the right tool for me at the moment. Right, it's IDE is nothing like retro Visual Studio.

 

[LovingTeddy]

OS X has gotten much worse, and Windows has gotten much better, but OS X is still relatively better.

Of course I'm still using 10.14 High Sierra, and the last time I seriously used Windows was a year ago, so maybe the winner has finally switched. But I'd need to be convinced of that. Does Windows still have two separate settings sections, each of which has different options available?

Yes, it does. But it is way better than macOS's settings. You can really get deep down to system configurations and such. I am never fan of the new Windows 10's setting. Control Panel is way better and way easier for me to locate staffs.

 

[throAU]

You need glasses if you see that. I don't know about Lion because I never had a Mac with that OS but I've had several Vista PCs and knew lots of people with Vista. At first I was one of those people who said Vista isn't bad but your computer is just weak. Then I realized how much faster my PC was on XP and also crashed less. Vista was terrible plain and simple. I have Catalina on my Mac mini and have had no issues with it. It's seems no better or no worse than Mojave.

As to the 32 bit app issue that was developers who already had an app and didn't want to spend time fixing it since they were still making money for doing nothing. Apple notified users and developers years ago that 32 bit apps were going to stop working. This isn't something that just came as a surprise with Catalina. If an app in 2020 isn't 64 bit it's because the developer either abandoned it or is one of these people who does everything last minute.

I ran both vista and lion. Vista was ahead of its time and yes hardware was weak. It was also plagued with driver instability because third party OEMs dragged their feet.

XP ran faster if you didn’t have enough ram because it did less. Once drivers caught up vista was on par on performance given enough ram. Also assuming your hard drive controller was properly supported and not running in compatibility mode.

However it was the source of a huge amount of change and pain and breakage that was fixed by windows 7. Even by vista service pack 1 or 2 I forget.

Windows 7 was basically a vista service pack

Lion made a lot of changes that people either didn’t like or were half implemented badly by Apple. Like the original implementation of full screen. Got two monitors? Tough. Full screen works on only one.

Lion was also clearly tuned and tested on SSD only because performance on hard drive was total trash. It needed way more ram than snow leopard too. It broke compatibility with PPC (and carbon if I recall) apps. It changed file saving.

People hated it.

 

[motulist]

I ran both vista and lion. Vista was ahead of its time and yes hardware was weak. It was also plagued with driver instability because third party OEMs dragged their feet.

XP ran faster if you didn’t have enough ram because it did less. Once drivers caught up vista was on par on performance given enough ram. Also assuming your hard drive controller was properly supported and not running in compatibility mode.

However it was the source of a huge amount of change and pain and breakage that was fixed by windows 7. Even by vista service pack 1 or 2 I forget.

Windows 7 was basically a vista service pack

Lion made a lot of changes that people either didn’t like or were half implemented badly by Apple. Like the original implementation of full screen. Got two monitors? Tough. Full screen works on only one.

Lion was also clearly tuned and tested on SSD only because performance on hard drive was total trash. It needed way more ram than snow leopard too. It broke compatibility with PPC (and carbon if I recall) apps. It changed file saving.

People hated it.

Yup, Lion was horrid. And not coincidentally it's not long after Jobs left the helm of Apple.

 

[tomi03]

1. Sounds like maybe you got some bad hardware or something got corrupt. That new machine should be able to run Catalina just fine.

My old Mac-Mini-2012 runs Mojave just fine. It's hardware from a different era, so not planning to force (new architecture) Catalina onto it.

2. Yeah Xcode is getting bloated, but it does a lot. I'm new to iOS development, so Xcode/Swift seems like the right tool for me at the moment. Right, it's IDE is nothing like retro Visual Studio.

No, stop blaming the hardware, it’s the software; it runs fine on office, YouTube, browsing, and listening to music on Spotify, but again as soon you start to do heavy tasks the system fails, just read the forum.

Xcode is bloated, it fails with some libraries, and sometimes you need to download/reinstall the app to make the app functional (11gb - 25gb after the installation). The autocomplete feature is random, sometimes works other times it doesn’t, imagine the “most advanced” IDE failing on basic features.

My windows laptop works great, same external devices connected, 0 issues, but it’s alright I am using a MacBook Pro 2015 with High Sierra installed and until now no problems.

The latest MacBook Pro made by Apple is gathering dust because the operating system is just bad (bugs and bugs and bugs, and kernel panics). I hate the laptop simple as that, can’t sell it, can’t work on it, and sometimes I just wanna throw into the bin, I am totally dissatisfied and disappointed.

Happy for the people that never have problems.

 

[lezmace]

i need to buy a windows notebook for work. which one can you recommend?

it should be light and a good build quality and it has to drive a 4k external monitor.

 

[maflynn]

1. Sounds like maybe you got some bad hardware or something got corrupt. That new machine should be able to run Catalina just fine.

Cataline seems to be a buggy mess, I've seen too many threads about Kernel Panics, speaker crackling (that was fixed by a patch), T2 crashes. The general consensus is that Catalina is one of the least stable versions of macOS.

need to buy a windows notebook for work. which one can you recommend?

Just about any Windows laptop will do that, please in the Alternatives to Mac Hardware as this thread isn't the right place as its off topic.

 

[russell_314]

I ran both vista and lion. Vista was ahead of its time and yes hardware was weak. It was also plagued with driver instability because third party OEMs dragged their feet.

XP ran faster if you didn’t have enough ram because it did less. Once drivers caught up vista was on par on performance given enough ram. Also assuming your hard drive controller was properly supported and not running in compatibility mode.

However it was the source of a huge amount of change and pain and breakage that was fixed by windows 7. Even by vista service pack 1 or 2 I forget.

Windows 7 was basically a vista service pack

Lion made a lot of changes that people either didn’t like or were half implemented badly by Apple. Like the original implementation of full screen. Got two monitors? Tough. Full screen works on only one.

Lion was also clearly tuned and tested on SSD only because performance on hard drive was total trash. It needed way more ram than snow leopard too. It broke compatibility with PPC (and carbon if I recall) apps. It changed file saving.

People hated it.

No that's silly. I had plenty of RAM, far more than the recommended specs at the time. I had a gaming PC that was pretty much maxed out when I bought it. Trust me I was a Vista fanboy when it came out and all into the "Vista experience" or "Wow" but there was no wow. M$ spent a half a billion dollars in ads to blow smoke up people's rear ends. It looked cooler I'll give them that but it wasn't worth the performance hit.

"XP ran faster if you didn’t have enough ram because it did less." Less what?? I run an OS to use programs not to stare at how cool the start menu looks. Both OS launched the programs but one took more resources from the program causing it to run slower. When I was playing a game, browsing the internet, using MS Office, etc what was I not getting with XP?

 

[Heat_Fan89]

No that's silly. I had plenty of RAM, far more than the recommended specs at the time. I had a gaming PC that was pretty much maxed out when I bought it. Trust me I was a Vista fanboy when it came out and all into the "Vista experience" or "Wow" but there was no wow. M$ spent a half a billion dollars in ads to blow smoke up people's rear ends. It looked cooler I'll give them that but it wasn't worth the performance hit.

"XP ran faster if you didn’t have enough ram because it did less." Less what?? I run an OS to use programs not to stare at how cool the start menu looks. Both OS launched the programs but one took more resources from the program causing it to run slower. When I was playing a game, browsing the internet, using MS Office, etc what was I not getting with XP?

Vista had under the hood changes to it's code which is typical for every major Windows release and the 3D front end also sucked performance out of the GPU. Drivers were real important and they were not ready for primetime. That hurt Vista's performance a lot.

A laptop jumping from Windows 98 to Windows XP was no joy either and I remember way back then in 2001 that Windows XP had massive growing pains as well due to instability and driver issues. But back then MS wasn't doing a rolling release with major updates every 6 months like they are doing with Windows 10. Windows XP had plenty of time to be a very stable OS. The same happened with Windows Vista by service pack 2.

Microsoft saw the writing i.e. "Bad Press" on the wall and moved on from Windows Vista and focused on Windows 7. It was a refined version of Vista but drivers were ready at that point and a lot of optimizations and bug work had already been with Vista.

 

[stephenschimpf]

where did you hear this? photos is fine here, and has been in catalina, all along.

Have you had any trouble with albums in Photos synching between devices? Everything worked great up until Catalina. Now, when I create new albums on my iMac and then sort them or reorder them in any way, the albums on my iPhone and iPad Pro no longer sync to the same order. The only way to get the albums to be in the same order is to use the Photos library repair tool, but if I later create new albums, they appear in a different order on my macOS and iOS devices. That's my only problem with Catalina.

 

[petvas]

My MacBook Pro 16” with macOS Catalina is just meh; it’s buggy, kernel panics when I simple connect two monitors, it’s unstable with Logic Pro X and some plugins, etc. It sucks, I can even reproduce a kernel panic with the AirPods Pro.

Btw Xcode is another trash app, I mean you need to reinstall the whole thing if you want some stuff working again and the autocomplete feature only works sometimes. it’s the stupidest KDE ever made, bloated as ****, for any “new feature” introduced there are 50 new bugs.

Meanwhile my other laptop, a Lenovo thinkpad with windows 10 “just works”, it takes 11 seconds to boot and browse on chrome, it never fails, I can connect whatever I want without any issues, it is reliable at everything and it has an i5.

I don’t understand why some people claim macOS Catalina works flawlessly well for them, it’s not true, otherwise at least one of the Apple devices at home should work as they describe on macOS Catalina, but they don’t.

I wanna know if it’s possible to downgrade my iMac to High Sierra and block any update, my MacBook Pro is ready to collect dust on a table. I hate it, I wish there were a way to downgrade to Mojave, but there’s not. It’s stuck on the worst operating system ever made, I bet a Linux distro built in some basement works better.

Yes it’s a rant because I can’t believe their latest software made for the hardware they build can fail in such ways. Totally dissatisfied and disappointed. **** Apple and their quality control when it comes to the MacBook Pro and macOS.

PS: My battery life is at 97% after 16 cycles. Da heck, I am pretty sure macOS Catalina 10.15.4 kills the battery while failing.

PPS:No, it’s not my unit, my mum’s MacBook Pro 16” battery life is at 95.7% after 46 cycles.

Both laptops were bought in different stores at different times.

I have been using Windows since 1995 and I just cannot agree with you. Windows is buggy, carries lots of old crap and works not as smooth as MacOS does. Despite the issues that Catalina has, it is still better than Windows. I am still using Windows systems every day, but never from a personal choice. There is just something about the Mac that makes it better. Staring from simple things like preview in Finder, the way apps get installed and uninstalled, the AppStore, the system extensions, all these are things that do not exist in the Windows ecosystem in the same way. Windows is just no offering the same integration of systems and services as macOS does. It does not integrate well with iPhones and Android phones, it does not have a photos app that sync as good as iCloud does. It does not have spotlight, but some miserable Windows Search technology that never works as on the Mac.
I also love the way macOS integrates with the Apple Watch, the AppleTV (Airplay - just look for good alternatives in Windows) and iOS devices. It is the central part of the Apple ecosystem.


Yes, macOS has issues and there are kernel panics on the 16“ MBP when waking it up from sleep. These issues will get resolved. I am sure of that. The thing is that despite these issues the macOS experience is just better and more well thought than Windows.

Windows still doesn’t know where it goes. It offers a weird mixture of Win32 apps, UWP apps and overlapping system control settings. It‘s just a mess.

Now, having said that, Windows is good enough for a lot of tasks and it works in enterprise environments. As I said, it is good enough and that might be enough for you too.

 

[phrehdd]

I've been using Windows since Windows 3.1 and that takes me back to 1991. All I can say is, "welcome to the wonderful world of software development". It's the reason why persons A and B can complain of various problems and persons C and D have NO issues and are quite happy. There are some who say Catalina causes this or that to happen and I haven't seen that but I have noticed it do other things. You just have to roll with the punches and if one particular OS is not meeting your needs then there's no problem going with something else.

Windows 10 is NO different. I have quite a number of machines running Windows 10 with near zero problems. What I can say is that both operating systems are fantastic and it's now basically a preference of what someone feels comfortable using. But for a Windows person to say macOS is a kiddies OS or it's an OS on training wheels is just plain wrong. And the same goes for a macOS person saying Windows 10 is trash or virus laden, is just plain wrong as well. I use both OS' and they are both good. One OS does things better than the other and vice versa. For instance, I now prefer the Windows App Store over the Mac App Store. And the integration of the XBOX ecosystem into Windows 10 is beyond slick.

I could rightfully and easily complain that I'm disappointed in my 2018 Mac mini purchase because of various problems I've had with it that cost me additional money and my Lenovo ThinkCentre Tiny PC was a far better and more reliable purchase but I don't come on this forum and share and make my grievances known. You just live and learn and chalk it up to experience.

I go back as well and my time predates Windows. To cut to the quick. I went through all the Windows at work and when we got an opportunity to review Vista, I knew right then and there that my own home set up would soon disappear in favour of Mac (which was already using at Intel cpu's). I thoroughly enjoyed the experience of having Mac at home. Using computers became a lot more fun and productive. Sadly, the business paradigm shifted for Apple and the desktop along with OS changed to the point of "it just works" no longer was the case. I still use Mac and have cycled through the years Mac Pro, iMac, Mac Mini and Macbook Pro along with all the OS changes that brought nothing I enjoyed or really needed. Today, I simply run the latest Mac OS and then virtual Windows and Linux as needed. I like some PC hardare yet at best I can only imagine using it for Linux or a hackintosh (hobby style). Windows is a pain when they started to please people again with Win 7 and Win 10 is well.. um... no comment.

 

[allan.nyholm]

Microsoft pushes Office 365 on a clean 1909 installation and PC's are generally used for playing games. "Buy this Carbon X1 laptop and install Office 365 and begin making that cool Excel document and write that great novel using Word" Okay, Microsoft.

Apple pushes Apple Arcade and as the company that I have greatest ties with - it isn't really known for being a gaming platform. It's funny. I can see the humor in that.

Edit.. I use both platforms - Windows 10 is in a virtual machine because that's how little I think of it. Everything is soooo tiny. Why are the checkboxes and chevrons in File Explorer and Disk Cleanup so darn small. It's been 100 years almost and still the same appearance. Doesn't scale well on hi-dpi is all I'm saying.

I'm probably the accelerant and "Main Man" for the Mac and iOS platform - I'm not sorry about that.

 

[tranceking26]

Personally I can't say anything about Catalina, but Mojave has been near perfect for me.

The only two computers I have experienced W10 on were so poor it was like somebody had put an axe through them, they were brand new too. So both W10 and Catalina are flawed but pick your side....

 

[throAU]

"XP ran faster if you didn’t have enough ram because it did less."

Security and safety features new to Windows Vista - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

All of those things aren't free. And that's just the security changes. Never mind user mode drivers (more secure/crash resistant, but not running in kernel, requiring a context switch out of kernel space - which takes CPU time), better sound mixing, etc.

 

[tomi03]

I have been using Windows since 1995 and I just cannot agree with you. Windows is buggy, carries lots of old crap and works not as smooth as MacOS does. Despite the issues that Catalina has, it is still better than Windows. I am still using Windows systems every day, but never from a personal choice. There is just something about the Mac that makes it better. Staring from simple things like preview in Finder, the way apps get installed and uninstalled, the AppStore, the system extensions, all these are things that do not exist in the Windows ecosystem in the same way. Windows is just no offering the same integration of systems and services as macOS does. It does not integrate well with iPhones and Android phones, it does not have a photos app that sync as good as iCloud does. It does not have spotlight, but some miserable Windows Search technology that never works as on the Mac.
I also love the way macOS integrates with the Apple Watch, the AppleTV (Airplay - just look for good alternatives in Windows) and iOS devices. It is the central part of the Apple ecosystem.


Yes, macOS has issues and there are kernel panics on the 16“ MBP when waking it up from sleep. These issues will get resolved. I am sure of that. The thing is that despite these issues the macOS experience is just better and more well thought than Windows.

Windows still doesn’t know where it goes. It offers a weird mixture of Win32 apps, UWP apps and overlapping system control settings. It‘s just a mess.

Now, having said that, Windows is good enough for a lot of tasks and it works in enterprise environments. As I said, it is good enough and that might be enough for you too.

Tbh, I don’t give a damn for an ecosystem that just let me control the volume from my watch when I am on my phone, a continuity to open a tab on my phone, iPad or laptop, or a copy paste on different devices with a broken iCloud feature, I really don’t, it’s not like I answer calls or send messages on Catalina or whatever, heck I don’t even use iMessage, actually no one of my friends use it, I just want stability, and right now Windows 10 gives me that whole macOS Catalina crashes from nowhere.

Simple as that.

PS: Battery life capacity on the latest MacBook Pro 16” - 13” is kinda trash, check yours with coconut battery.

 

[petvas]

Tbh, I don’t give a damn for an ecosystem that just let me control the volume from my watch when I am on my phone, a continuity to open a tab on my phone, iPad or laptop, or a copy paste on different devices with a broken iCloud feature, I really don’t, it’s not like I answer calls or send messages on Catalina or whatever, heck I don’t even use iMessage, actually no one of my friends use it, I just want stability, and right now Windows 10 gives me that whole macOS Catalina crashes from nowhere.

Simple as that.

PS: Battery life capacity on the latest MacBook Pro 16” - 13” is kinda trash, check yours with coconut battery.

I only have 4 cycles on my battery with 100% health (max 8815mAh - original max 8790)

As far as stability and reliability issues concern, I had far more in Windows, using Surface devices. Having said that, both platforms are reliable and stable, but macOS is more stable than Windows (in my experience so far).
With Surface devices I had many issues with the Intel graphics driver, with standby and hibernation, with tablet mode and switching between tablet and desktop mode. Windows is broken and Microsoft doesn't seem to know what to do with it.

 

[fisherking]

Have you had any trouble with albums in Photos synching between devices? Everything worked great up until Catalina. Now, when I create new albums on my iMac and then sort them or reorder them in any way, the albums on my iPhone and iPad Pro no longer sync to the same order. The only way to get the albums to be in the same order is to use the Photos library repair tool, but if I later create new albums, they appear in a different order on my macOS and iOS devices. That's my only problem with Catalina.

my photos sync perfectly between my mac and my iphone... but i don't manually move things around, so...not sure.

 

[q3anon]

My MacBook Pro 16” with macOS Catalina is just meh; it’s buggy, kernel panics when I simple connect two monitors, it’s unstable with Logic Pro X and some plugins, etc. It sucks, I can even reproduce a kernel panic with the AirPods Pro.

Btw Xcode is another trash app, I mean you need to reinstall the whole thing if you want some stuff working again and the autocomplete feature only works sometimes. it’s the stupidest KDE ever made, bloated as ****, for any “new feature” introduced there are 50 new bugs.

Meanwhile my other laptop, a Lenovo thinkpad with windows 10 “just works”, it takes 11 seconds to boot and browse on chrome, it never fails, I can connect whatever I want without any issues, it is reliable at everything and it has an i5.

I don’t understand why some people claim macOS Catalina works flawlessly well for them, it’s not true, otherwise at least one of the Apple devices at home should work as they describe on macOS Catalina, but they don’t.

I wanna know if it’s possible to downgrade my iMac to High Sierra and block any update, my MacBook Pro is ready to collect dust on a table. I hate it, I wish there were a way to downgrade to Mojave, but there’s not. It’s stuck on the worst operating system ever made, I bet a Linux distro built in some basement works better.

Yes it’s a rant because I can’t believe their latest software made for the hardware they build can fail in such ways. Totally dissatisfied and disappointed. **** Apple and their quality control when it comes to the MacBook Pro and macOS.

PS: My battery life is at 97% after 16 cycles. Da heck, I am pretty sure macOS Catalina 10.15.4 kills the battery while failing.

PPS:No, it’s not my unit, my mum’s MacBook Pro 16” battery life is at 95.7% after 46 cycles.

Both laptops were bought in different stores at different times.

Congratulations. You don't have any blind in your eyes. ?
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I've been using Windows since Windows 3.1 and that takes me back to 1991. All I can say is, "welcome to the wonderful world of software development". It's the reason why persons A and B can complain of various problems and persons C and D have NO issues and are quite happy. There are some who say Catalina causes this or that to happen and I haven't seen that but I have noticed it do other things. You just have to roll with the punches and if one particular OS is not meeting your needs then there's no problem going with something else.

Windows 10 is NO different. I have quite a number of machines running Windows 10 with near zero problems. What I can say is that both operating systems are fantastic and it's now basically a preference of what someone feels comfortable using. But for a Windows person to say macOS is a kiddies OS or it's an OS on training wheels is just plain wrong. And the same goes for a macOS person saying Windows 10 is trash or virus laden, is just plain wrong as well. I use both OS' and they are both good. One OS does things better than the other and vice versa. For instance, I now prefer the Windows App Store over the Mac App Store. And the integration of the XBOX ecosystem into Windows 10 is beyond slick.

I could rightfully and easily complain that I'm disappointed in my 2018 Mac mini purchase because of various problems I've had with it that cost me additional money and my Lenovo ThinkCentre Tiny PC was a far better and more reliable purchase but I don't come on this forum and share and make my grievances known. You just live and learn and chalk it up to experience.

If this forum addresses issues related to Apple products, people should be free to express their opinion on them here. Or this forum only exist for saying good things about Apple products? They can block the topics they want, but that will not help to improve the image that many people are getting from Apple products.

 

[fisherking]

If this forum addresses issues related to Apple products, people should be free to express their opinion on them here. Or this forum only exist for saying good things about Apple products? They can block the topics they want, but that will not help to improve the image that many people are getting from Apple products.

there's a huge difference between expressing an opinion, and ranting. opinions are good, discussion is good. ranting & raving is counter-productive, and (dare i say it?)... juvenile.

 

[Chevysales]

My MacBook Pro 16” with macOS Catalina is just meh; it’s buggy, kernel panics when I simple connect two monitors, it’s unstable with Logic Pro X and some plugins, etc. It sucks, I can even reproduce a kernel panic with the AirPods Pro.

Btw Xcode is another trash app, I mean you need to reinstall the whole thing if you want some stuff working again and the autocomplete feature only works sometimes. it’s the stupidest KDE ever made, bloated as ****, for any “new feature” introduced there are 50 new bugs.

Meanwhile my other laptop, a Lenovo thinkpad with windows 10 “just works”, it takes 11 seconds to boot and browse on chrome, it never fails, I can connect whatever I want without any issues, it is reliable at everything and it has an i5.

I don’t understand why some people claim macOS Catalina works flawlessly well for them, it’s not true, otherwise at least one of the Apple devices at home should work as they describe on macOS Catalina, but they don’t.

I wanna know if it’s possible to downgrade my iMac to High Sierra and block any update, my MacBook Pro is ready to collect dust on a table. I hate it, I wish there were a way to downgrade to Mojave, but there’s not. It’s stuck on the worst operating system ever made, I bet a Linux distro built in some basement works better.

Yes it’s a rant because I can’t believe their latest software made for the hardware they build can fail in such ways. Totally dissatisfied and disappointed. **** Apple and their quality control when it comes to the MacBook Pro and macOS.

PS: My battery life is at 97% after 16 cycles. Da heck, I am pretty sure macOS Catalina 10.15.4 kills the battery while failing.

PPS:No, it’s not my unit, my mum’s MacBook Pro 16” battery life is at 95.7% after 46 cycles.

Both laptops were bought in different stores at different times.

Thanks for telling me what's true and what isn't on my machine... tell me the lottery number too since you know so much. Geezus you don't like it fine but don't tell others what you have no clue about, speak for yourself not for me.

As for your Lenevo go sell it in 5 years... and compare it to Macs resale... yea obviously the rest of the world doesn't agree with you or it would be reflected in resale.

 

[JagdTiger]

One of my employees at work went through three Windows based laptops since mid 2018 and one of them required a reinstall of Windows after an update went bad.

Another is still on the same MacBook from 2017 with zero issues.

This of course proves nothing more than 'Computers will be computers'. Some will be brilliant, some lousy.

None of it is proof of "my OS is better than your OS".

Even Leo Laporte does not like windows, it was on his radio show.

 

[darthaddie]

Thanks for telling me what's true and what isn't on my machine... tell me the lottery number too since you know so much. Geezus you don't like it fine but don't tell others what you have no clue about, speak for yourself not for me.

As for your Lenevo go sell it in 5 years... and compare it to Macs resale... yea obviously the rest of the world doesn't agree with you or it would be reflected in resale.

I tried selling my HP Spectre X360 after just 3 months if use. It was in pristine condition. Lost 35% value. Not to mention, I had to open up the damn laptop and redo the thermal paste to make it run as advertised. Then I had to search the internet about hacks to make the trackpad NOT stutter randomly (known issue with many trackpads with Windows) and use a Lenovo driver for that. And I had to uninstall a bunch of crap, basically POS software to regain performance. I still hate that a huge company like Microsoft would install crap games like Candy crush on install.

How anyone perceives value/performance is purely based on what they plan to achieve with the computer. For me, nothing beats the productivity levels working on a Mac.

BTW. Catalina has been flawless for my on my 2019 Mac Pro, iMac and MacBook Pro 2018. Only thing I wish would improve is the Metal API and performance for Pro Apps, FCP X and Adobe apps.

 

[Heat_Fan89]

there's a huge difference between expressing an opinion, and ranting. opinions are good, discussion is good. ranting & raving is counter-productive, and (dare i say it?)... juvenile.

But that's strictly their right on a forum that embraces all types of opinions. And one persons definition of ranting is another persons sharing their opinion. But what can be construed as counter productive is the way some get real defensive when someone shares their opinion/rant. It's as if questioning or saying something negative about Apple or an Apple product becomes a personal attack on them like their Mom was insulted.

If Apple makes a trash keyboard i.e. "butterfly kybd" or a display cable that has a tendency of breaking and they drop it in a $2K plus machine, you can expect some people to get upset especially when it breaks after the warranty. That's not ranting, they're just calling out Apple for their business practices.

I don't own any Apple laptops, just a couple of Mini's. When I do have a problem I try and find a solution, if there isn't one I either wait or use that as a decision maker when it comes time to reevaluate another Apple purchase.

But there are some who just decide to sound off, nothing wrong with that.