catalina here is as stable as any mac OS i've been on (actually, more stable than some earlier versions).
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catalina here is as stable as any mac OS i've been on (actually, more stable than some earlier versions).
It sounds like you may have gotten a bad Mac or have a corrupted install of Catalina. I use a 16 inch MBP with Catalina for work 40+ hours a week connected to two monitors and have had no kernel panics.
I'll agree that xcode is a complete pile of crap. I'm used to Visual Studio, or the free version of IntelliJ. Xcode is pitiful shadow of either, and when I first started working on xcode I'm pretty sure I spent my first week figuring out how to navigate between files in a somewhat sane manner.
"Navigate between files"! Gahh, just thinking about xcode annoys me.
"Navigate between files"! Gahh, just thinking about xcode annoys me.
Still doesn't mean there is no issues. I have been told by Apple that this has made its way to senior engineers to investigate. No amount of replacement products would work for my situation and others that are suffering from these kernel panics and Apple IS aware of it being an issue.
of course there are issues, there are always issues. but that doesn't change my experience... or anyone else's (whatever those experiences might be).
every version of the OS (i've been around since 10.3) has had people who are happy, people who are not. so, people who need support, and help, and want to discuss, have this great place to do so (macrumors forums).
sadly, the whiners come here too, and accomplish nothing, fix nothing.
That's exactly what Windows 10 is, a giant rolling release. Microsoft has followed the Linux model and I have NO problem with that. A few pages up someone posted a Windows 10 update that deletes files and other stuff.....again! I have several machines with that update and guess what, no files have been deleted. But that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. It doesn't happen to everyone. Not everyone experiences the same Catalina bugs and not everyone has a flawless Mac. Some are, according to the user and some aren't. That's software today. It's like trying to explain why a hurricane took out an entire neighbor only to find 2 or 3 homes still standing unscathed. Go figure !
But with today's internet, Apple, Microsoft, Linux and Google have to be agile enough to respond to threats posed to their operating systems. Sometimes those fixes breaks other things that were working before. We just have to take the good with the bad.
Because for us it works well. Why the f*** would I use a computer that crashes all the time? And lie to complete strangers that things are great when they're not? You're the one with the problem, and I'm not talking only about your machine(s)... calling people with stable systems "typical Apple apologists" and accusing them of lying is not only dumb, but unnecessarily rude too. But mostly dumb.
I have a 2015 27" iMac and it runs great under Catalina, and I'm running a Win 10 VM for a couple must-have heavy-duty apps not available for Mac almost all the time. No issues at all... had a couple of crashes with a specific version of Parallels Desktop, but Parallels got updated it and the issue was resolved. No probs with my 2017 12" MacBook that I hook up via DP to a Philips 4K display either... it runs a bit slower on HiDPI resolutions, but there have been no crashes, kernel panics or whatnot. But hey, I'm making all this s*** up just to spite you...
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Better is subjective. Some people like Windows. I despise it. I use Windows 10 all day at work. It's a virus. I'd much rather use my old MacBook Air or my newer Mac Mini. They just work. Everyone is different. Life is wonderful. Enjoy what you like working on.
I really don't get folks with no problems with their OS/whatever, what are they doing on such threads.
Say your neighbor goes to a local police department to report burglary or car steal, do you go with him to claim you're not victim of such? Or better, if you are victim, do you also whine to the police?
Apologist crap for sure.
Say your neighbor goes to a local police department to report burglary or car steal, do you go with him to claim you're not victim of such? Or better, if you are victim, do you also whine to the police?
Apologist crap for sure.
I've had problems with Catalina, so I think I'm qualified for this thread. Maybe you The Real Men should start your own thread for folks with no problems at all, who praise everything from Tim's kitchen.
Various problems require various threads. For those having no issues at all, single one is perfectly suitable.
Various problems require various threads. For those having no issues at all, single one is perfectly suitable.
Please fix my issues on macOS Catalina, Oh right you can’t, actually no one can except Apple engineers.
It’s a rant, ofc it is because Apple don’t give for free anything, I payed for their hardware and software and I expect a good product not this mess, so stop the whining excuse stuff when there’s real issues out there that ruin the experience and usability on their products.
i am not problem-free, but see? we can't have a discussion here. discussion requires different points-of-view. it's the same sort-of thing that keeps people in politics, for example, from working together; if only people who see things one way post on this thread, nothing gets accomplished, everybody's already on the same page.
i'd be all for a dedicated forum on macrumors, for whining and complaining ONLY. then everybody who doesn't want help, or to discuss things, can have a place to rant (& i promise i would not visit that forum... or maybe occasionally, just so i can roll my eyes)...
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but not everyone is having the issues you are, so, if they're not universal, there is no one fix. how about asking for help? calling apple? finding solutions, instead of just complaining; where does that get you??
Ya well I still have the same issues on macOS Catalina so I guess knowing your Apple stuff works great is not fixing anything, actually you should send a letter to the Apple engineers full of screens so they can take note of your magnificent configuration with 0 issues.
Ranting is perfectly normal behavior when you spend $3000 for a premium product (which should just work), and it turns out pretty unusable. The fact that some other (or majority of, whatever) users does not experience such things is of no use.
OK, i’ll go. After a few months with my 16” MBP, I have returned to my Surface Laptop 3. That said, I haven’t had a single KP, and I run dual external monitors every day. I wish I could say that my Surface handled external monitors well, but the MS dock refuses to see two external via the mDP ports. Though it is still better than my XPS13 which never allowed anything to connect to TB3 without disconnecting every ten seconds or so.
I am quitting the 16” because, I really hate the fan noise, and VMware seems to have issues with letting it sleep and it dies in my bag if I don’t shut it down. Add that nearly everything I MUST run is either Win only, or less crippled. AutoCad, Revit, Bluebeam, and many smaller and more industry specific apps, all run pretty well in Fusion, but it drives the Fans on the 16 crazy.
My iMac Pro runs absolutely flawlessly, as did my my 2013 trash can for five years. BTW, for all the haters of the 2013, it still has almost identical performance to my Base iMP.
I love my Macs, but the Surface is pretty awesome as well. I also maintain a couple dozen Win10 machines and many Windows servers And they are all solid.
I am quitting the 16” because, I really hate the fan noise, and VMware seems to have issues with letting it sleep and it dies in my bag if I don’t shut it down. Add that nearly everything I MUST run is either Win only, or less crippled. AutoCad, Revit, Bluebeam, and many smaller and more industry specific apps, all run pretty well in Fusion, but it drives the Fans on the 16 crazy.
My iMac Pro runs absolutely flawlessly, as did my my 2013 trash can for five years. BTW, for all the haters of the 2013, it still has almost identical performance to my Base iMP.
I love my Macs, but the Surface is pretty awesome as well. I also maintain a couple dozen Win10 machines and many Windows servers And they are all solid.
ranting accomplishes what exactly? my observation, having been on these forums for millenia, is... discussion, and asking for help often accomplish a lot. ranting accomplishes nothing (except, i guess, making the one ranting feel somewhat unburdened).
i would think resolving a issue would be more rewarding than whining or ranting about it.
I know what you are trying to say, but those issues can’t be fixed on forums. I just need to wait and expect a fix made by Apple, and that’s sad.
the things apple needs to fix, it needs to fix. i only use my imac with logic x, but the app (and my many 3rd-party plugins) are rock solid in catalina...
If the neighbour yelled from rooftops that his car was stolen and claimed my car was also stolen while it wasn't, and calling me a liar for not reporting it as such, then yeah, I would pay attention. It's perfectly normal that OP is angry his expensive computer doesn't work properly and he has every right to think that Apple computers are crap, but what is not normal are claims that the people whose opinion he elicited by posting on the public forum are liars for saying they have no problems. You can see the difference, right? There's no apology here, as I don't give a damn if he continues using Apple products or not. I'm just saying that I do not lie when I say my computers work fine under Catalina and don't appreciate being called a liar just because OP is angry. It's misdirected anger and he should take it up with Apple.
As somebody who oversees the support of 500+ Windows devices and 400+ Mac devices (as well as over 1000 iPads) , i can tell you Windows is a pile of stinking crap to support compared to MacOS.
Windows 10 has been nothing but pure hell since its release, remember there are about 10 different versions of Windows 10 as they release it every 6 months and chop and change things. You get crap like .NET framework breaking and needing reinstalling, the GUI is just a mess with some things in Settings, some things in Control Panel, but the newer Settings is worse than the old as you cannot have more than 1 Settings open at once, with Control Panel you could have more than 1. Always having sound issues on Windows devices with Mic's, yet on Mac's it just works. I could spent all day listing the pain of Windows 10 and bloaty things like System Centre Configuration Manager or the other pure hell from Microsoft cloudy offerings like Office 365 and Azure that gives us nothing but grief.
Is MacOS perfect? Nope, but managing them with JAMF is a lot easier and we get a lot less issues with devices running MacOS or iOS.
Windows 10 has been nothing but pure hell since its release, remember there are about 10 different versions of Windows 10 as they release it every 6 months and chop and change things. You get crap like .NET framework breaking and needing reinstalling, the GUI is just a mess with some things in Settings, some things in Control Panel, but the newer Settings is worse than the old as you cannot have more than 1 Settings open at once, with Control Panel you could have more than 1. Always having sound issues on Windows devices with Mic's, yet on Mac's it just works. I could spent all day listing the pain of Windows 10 and bloaty things like System Centre Configuration Manager or the other pure hell from Microsoft cloudy offerings like Office 365 and Azure that gives us nothing but grief.
Is MacOS perfect? Nope, but managing them with JAMF is a lot easier and we get a lot less issues with devices running MacOS or iOS.
It's the useless info in the first place. Do you visit every thread about every problem, stating that you don't have one?
I agree this is overreacting, but I feel him. Pissed about his expensive premium pile of ****.
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The threads I visit are my own business, but more to the point - this thread is called "Windows is just better", not "Catalina is piece of s***", so there's no way a sane person would infer that it's about kernel panics on OP's machine... if you gotta know, I thought it was about bad user experience and wanted to see what it's all about. I used Windows 98/XP, and then Linux/BSD Unices for a decade, and am always interested to find out what people think are strengths and weakness of OSes and user interfaces.
I feel OP's pain, too, and can't blame him for overreacting, but for the nth time - it doesn't mean all other people without issues are lying. Damn.
That doesn't mean anything. My work mac has been up for 8 days, and IIRC I only rebooted because my company was having DNS issues and I was trying different fixes on my end.
Meanwhile my coworker is getting a new mac because she can't stop hers from crashing multiple times per day.
My PC has a bad GPU that usually causes it to crash on hibernate. Lately, it's have uptime of a week or more.
It's like confusing the weather with climate change. One is a tiny snapshot in time, the other is a trend over time.