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Windows XP Booting on Mac Contest Over

awesomebase said:
It does make you wonder if it took this amount of time for somebody to do this, why the heck is it taking MS so long to come up with VPC? I mean, does anybody see the irony in this? A company that spends literally $B is being usurped by a few people competing in a contest. Not taking anything away from MS, I'm just amazed at the work that has gone into this and the solution that is provided.
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Oufff, in all fairness to Microsoft, a virtual machine like VPC is orders of magnitude more difficult to implement, than an extension to EFI that effectively implements CSM...

Actually, speaking about virtualisation, I noticed that Q is now available as a universal binary, and apparently works fine for Win2000. Still not stable for XP, but that should be coming along shortly.

I haven't been able to discover if they've implemented the acceleration option available for QEMU when it's an Intel processor emulating an Intel processor. Anyone know if this has been done?
 
Macnoviz said:
Also, while we're de-bunking myths---the Windows BSOD was a Win98 thing. Under XP, it's more like OSX--individual program crashes/freezes are isolated to the program, which can be stopped separately using the task manager. I don't recall ever seeing a BSOD in the several years I had an XP computer.
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Yes, indeed, Win2k and WinXP do still have the BSOD, but most people don't ever see it because the default setting in both 2k and XP is to automatically reboot, so the BSOD just flashes by and most people don't see it. This behavior can be changed (I don't remember how right now), and if you do it will freeze at the BSOD just like Win98 did. My laptop at work has developed a bad hdd and has been rebooting (and blue screening) fairly frequently the past few days (they have a new one on order).
 
freeny said:
Didnt you swear this was a fake a thread or two ago?:rolleyes:
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Yes, I thought the pictures looked faked, but I also said I'd freely admit I was wrong if it turned out to be real. Which I have. What else do you want?

BTW, nobody has disagreed with me on the drivers issue.
 
YoNeX said:
I remember somewhere in the XP manuals it says you MUST put the XP sticker (the one with all the license information) somewhere on the computer that you are installing XP to. Now seriously, who would do this? :D
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Can you put it on the bottom?
Or inside?
 
Wowsa! Just checked the instructions and it seems quite easy!

Just involves changing the XP CD by adding a few files, formatting your iMac and installing as normal! They managed to do the install by simply changing the XP CD - what a simple, beautiful, solution.

I was expecting lots of dodgy manual EFI hacking! :D

Well done boys.
 
io_burn said:
They will be supporting it because they support machines that run Windows XP. Programs base their support around an operating system.
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They support machines that -officially- run Windows XP. But I have a feeling that if you were to mention that you are running it on an Apple machine, they would cut you off. I'm certain this would be the case if you tried to get support from Microsoft.
 
Thats good news for all but I still have some doubts about it, mainly cause its not clear if all hardware works natively.

Its bad news for Apple ?
I think its not. "IF" it doesnt break or corrupt any security or operational behavior of OS X. That could give switchers the final stab to jump on Apple hardware.
The guy who made this job could have a big oportunity here:
He could contact Apple and share with them his work to check if it doesnt affect the OS and work a way to deliver it as an OS X product, no matter its free or not. That way we will have a certified OS X product.
With Apple support I'm sure he can earn good money or lunch its own product now he have some money to start it up.

Either way kudos to him and I hope he dont waste his hardworked money.

Buy Apple stocks at least !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:D
 
jabooth said:
Wowsa! Just checked the instructions and it seems quite easy!

Just involves changing the XP CD by adding a few files, formatting your iMac and installing as normal! They managed to do the install by simply changing the XP CD - what a simple, beautiful, solution.

I was expecting lots of dodgy manual EFI hacking! :D

Well done boys.
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Problem is, the procedure might well be a violation of the Windows EULA, so Microsoft might have the last word on the legality of this method. Not that it matters -- I think better methods are coming along, including the BAMBIOS project, which would add complete BIOS support to an EFI system. Then, all you'd need is a standard XP install disk.
 
Here is a mirror link since those sights are getting hammered due to Digg effect etc. Please do not repost this link on any other sights.

XP on Mac Solution Download

Also those people who get it to work. Please post your experiences and screenshots if possible.
 
Just to clarify - Windows XP does indeed still have a BSOD. It may have had a facelift since the one in 98, and it may not occur as often, AND it may reboot your computer immediately when it shows up, but that doesn't mean it's gone.

Also someone said that Windows XP doesn't crash but that software problems are isolated completely. This isn't strictly true. While it's a big leap forward from Windows 98, the system still does freeze up at times.

Furthermore, if an application freezes, I think we all love the fact that we can do Command + Alt + Esc, select the program and close it instantly. That in theory should work in Windows XP with Control + Alt + Delete but if you do this under Windows XP you will often have an issue where it won't exit the application for some time, by which time you've repeatedly tried again and the whole system has frozen and gone mad.

So yeah, for those of you who haven't used windows since the days of 98, don't expect it to be anything like as stable as MacOS. One of the things that has amazd me since I switched is the stability of this thing!
 
IJ Reilly said:
Problem is, the procedure might well be a violation of the Windows EULA, so Microsoft might have the last word on the legality of this method. Not that it matters -- I think better methods are coming along, including the BAMBIOS project, which would add complete BIOS support to an EFI system. Then, all you'd need is a standard XP install disk.
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I don't think this does breach the EULA. So long as there are no altered files - only new ones - then it should be fine.
 
Sweet action

I'm actually looking forward to this. As a web designer i have to check designs on the PC browsers as well, and i'd rather just have it all in one package, without using Virtual PC (sucks). Cool.
 
IJ Reilly said:
Problem is, the procedure might well be a violation of the Windows EULA, so Microsoft might have the last word on the legality of this method. Not that it matters -- I think better methods are coming along, including the BAMBIOS project, which would add complete BIOS support to an EFI system. Then, all you'd need is a standard XP install disk.
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Microsofts EULA is unenforceable so as longs as you have a valid license this shouldn't be illegal :)
 
it actually is making microsoft and apple more powerful at the same time, but i think it will benefit apple even more. there might be a 50% increase in mac sales, and even when microsoft benefits, it's increase is miniscule, not to mention all the hacks, cracks, and p2p of windows xp going around. :rolleyes:

the thing i worry most is the strength of Mac OSX development because of this news. hope it's developed even stronger than before! :)
 
steelfist said:
it actually is making microsoft and apple more powerful at the same time, but i think it will benefit apple even more. there might be a 50% increase in mac sales, and even when microsoft benefits, it's increase is miniscule, not to mention all the hacks, cracks, and p2p of windows xp going around. :rolleyes:

the thing i worry most is the strength of Mac OSX development because of this news. hope it's developed even stronger than before! :)
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This hack is going to have a negligible effect on Mac sales and software development. The majority of users are not going to be able/willing to install some unsupported hack they download off the internet, regardless of how easy it is. Maybe when Microsoft or someone releases an officially supported solution, things will change.
 
I don't have an SP2 cd, i only have the SP1. Can i slipstream an SP2 CD then use the new Slipstreamed cd to do the installation?
 
Hello! This is great. But won't you be able to run XP Home Edition aswell?
When I read what the requirements are there was PC, they mean your Mac right? :)

This is exciting, might try it later. But I don't got XP Pro.

Nice :cool:
 
IJ Reilly said:
Yes, I thought the pictures looked faked, but I also said I'd freely admit I was wrong if it turned out to be real. Which I have. What else do you want?

BTW, nobody has disagreed with me on the drivers issue.
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Well, at least you showed up :D
A few other doubters aren't here to eat their crowburgers. :rolleyes:
 
I downloaded it for fun, but would never use it (not that I have an Intel iMac to try it on in the first place! :)). Until it is supported and "safe", i.e. not a "rough hack" as it is IMO, it would be going nowhere near my precious iMac (again, if I had one!) ;) :cool:
 
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