Windows XP Booting on Mac Contest Over

[mark88]

Is "spine" another word for "business"?

So back to my question, if what you're saying is true. Why is ANY BUSINESS developing solely for OS X? You're basically saying these people are "business-less"...?

I am talking about developers that COULD be porting things to Mac, and this includes prospective business software and games...if Apple says: "No problem, we do Windows too, just install a legacy XP CD", what the hell is the appeal for a OS X version of AutoCAD (that has been seriously considered for the last months)? NONE.

If you expect me to believe that Adobe are gonna turn round and say "hey, we're not making anything for OS X anymore, if you wanna use our software. Download this bootloader, hack around a bit, buy a copy of windows, install it on your mac. Everytime you need to run our software, simply restart your machine and run windows, then launch our apps. What could be simpler!!!".....then I think you're havin' a laugh.

 

[pianodude123]

Woooooooo!!!!!!!!!


yessss bing it on!!!!!!


XP on a mac

makes me crave that future Powermac.... mmmm

is that sarcasm?

 

[DeathChill]

This makes me laugh. First off, the Mac's don't use a specialized Mac only firmware for their graphics cards. They use one that supports UGA with a tiny bit of VGA support. UGA is just the next step after VGA and is NOT Mac specific.

As well, does booting Linux stop developers from creating Windows applications? This won't change anything for developers, except that they can more easily make multiple ports of their programs without lugging around two machines.

 

[Steve1496]

I can't seem to find out where I'd find this, so if anyone knows please let me know. Where can I find a device dump tree log? I need to get the dump tree of the graphics card. The EFI shell doesn't want to write to a log, so entering

dh -v > dhv.txt

into the EFI shell gives me what I want but doesn't write to a log.

As an update to getting the 20" iMac going, I've been working inside the console here changing the scanline size and Video card size around. So far I've had a little luck in getting a blue flash, but it doesn't go anywhere. What I want to find out is the scanline size, and the linear framebuffer on the 20" iMac.

 

[iSee]

Legalities & Costs

So, what does it take to do this legally? (Come, on, let's not be pirates, OK? )

You've definitely got to have a licensed and otherwise unused copy of Windows XP floating around. However, isn't it true that you can't (legally) use the OEM versions that typically come with a PC on a different PC?

I guess I'd have to go home and read the EULA to find out. (which I'm not going to do)

If that's true, I'd have to go out and buy a ridiculously expenside full retail version of XP (I'd need Pro for my work)--which costs ~$300!

Maybe I'll read that EULA after all...

 

[Mikey Mike]

i think they were talking about intel creating a chip that can run two os's at once. that would be cool, but without that chip, i doubt it could work.

Just thinking of the future here, one not very far away at all. Think of what a Quad Dual Core could do with the talented people out there. Intel Macs have not been out long and dual boot has already happened from a simple request on the net...

 

[Steve1496]

If that's true, I'd have to go out and buy a ridiculously expenside full retail version of XP (I'd need Pro for my work)--which costs ~$300!

That's what I spent. Of course it can be found for cheaper online.

 

[nik002]

I know what you are saying, that was also one of the reasons I have switched.
For normal use i think OS X is great, but for syuf like realtime video playback, or music performance, there is just no way to tell OS X to concentrate on one app and make other apps sluggish.
In windows I can just select higherst priority and the interface will go sluggish, but the software will play no matter what.
You know in your signature I can see you use a mac connected to a TV. Are you happy with video playback while having other apps open?
Having sayd that, I am in minority so and I still would choose mac for day to day things.. (Sorry for being off topic again )

You should know that OsX is based over a BSD Unix system.
Every Unix system has a set of commands called nice and renice that allows you to set custom priorities of processes.
However this way is not extremely easy, but OsX does not provide an interface just because its scheduler is good enough for the average user.

Anyway, you can always try a program called Renicer (from northernsoftworks.com) that set priorities using the nice and renice commands:
it has a visual interface and it's a lot more powerful than the Windows priority setting.

Another thing: by the way, the nice command is more effective than Windows priority handler, and allows a very fine tuning.

Enjoy.

 

[Detlev]

no, heaven just installed a self destruct button

Actually it was the Ctrl-Alt-Del key combination.

 

[Mikey Mike]

Can I borrow a $100?...

LOL what's someone with a dual G4 & 20" Apple LCD doing asking to borrow $100... Hey I'm still using a 533MHz G4 Tower

Yeh time for an upgrade, sounds like I might wait for a Intel Power Mac now!

 

[glassbathroom]

what the hell is the appeal for a OS X version of AutoCAD (that has been seriously considered for the last months)? NONE.

Hey BRLawyer,

Have you heard anything about Autocad coming out on OSX? Last I heard they had a survey out to any interested parties back in 2003. I have heard nothing since.

I really hope it happens. Personally I don't think this will dual booting will change their mind either way.

 

[Mikey Mike]

That's what I spent. Of course it can be found for cheaper online.

If you're buying a new Intel Mac then I guess you're eligable for an OEM version of XPP

 

[AidenShaw]

If Virtual PC supports CD burning, yeah, I don't see why that wouldn't work.

Still not legal, though.

You might also find that Activation will help keep you honest - the copy of Windows will ask to be activated, and Microsoft will know that you're stealing from them.

 

[tdar]

If you're buying a new Intel Mac then I guess you're eligable for an OEM version of XPP

in fact that's true....most OEM sellers have concluded that the OEM rules require you to buy "any hardware" as the entry to buying an OEM licence for windows....a Imac is hardware! But remember the hardware and the OEM licence must be on the same invoice...do you think that Apple is going to sell XP OEM?

 

[balamw]

This is great news! Congrats to the winners... it obviously wasn't easy.

Next project: the ability to run Windows programs within OS X

Now that would be even greater!

But that's been done for a while with Darwine and Q. Running Windows on bare metal has much higher potential for tasks where full performance and compatibility are required.

Congrats to narf and blanka!

B

 

[iSee]

That's what I spent. Of course it can be found for cheaper online.

Oh, well. It's cheaper than a whole additional non-Apple laptop. (Side question: are those online versions of XP for around $150 for real, unrestricted license versions?)

Seriously, my next computer was going to have to be a non-Apple laptop--I love Macs & OS X, but to make a living I need to run Windows, and my current one is dying (usable if you type softly ). I was going to make do with by old iBook and separate Windows box.

But now I get to order a beautiful new MBP .

 

[ampd]

I am happy to hear that someone has finally been able to do this as it opens doors for many users. After using windows for my entire life up until this point I personally dont see the need to dual boot Mac OS X and any other OS especially windows. I feel that dual booting is just one more hassle I have to deal with on boot and also that I tend to favor one OS over the other. Dual booting to me is a waste of space. However there is plenty of users that need windows for their jobs and also want to be able to use OS X as their main OS. Its all user preference and the requirements of a certain OS for jobs, school, etc. I just dont want developers to drop the OS or as dvorak and some other articles stated that apple will totally switch to windows. I believe that if mac users were offered the choice to have OS X and Windows dual booted off the shelf that this could actually benifit apple as I believe users will be able to compare both operating systems and notice that OS X is superior.

 

[j-a-x]

I knew it would happen!!

 

[AidenShaw]

See VT

i think they were talking about intel creating a chip that can run two os's at once. that would be cool, but without that chip, i doubt it could work.

This is exactly what the VT (Virtualization Technology) in Yonah and other Intel chips is for.

To oversimplify - it puts the "Virtual PC" layer in the silicon itself, so that with the help of some extra "drivers" the chip could simultaneously run OSX, Windows, Linux and Solaris.

 

[balamw]

If you're buying a new Intel Mac then I guess you're eligable for an OEM version of XPP

Or just buy some hardware with the OEM XP CD, I think various places "suggest" a $1.99 power cord. As long as you're only planning to to "bare metal" installs OEM CD's are just fine.

B

 

[tdar]

Oh, well. It's cheaper than a whole additional non-Apple laptop. (Side question: are those online versions of XP for around $150 for real, unrestricted license versions?)

Seriously, my next computer was going to have to be a non-Apple laptop--I love Macs & OS X, but to make a living I need to run Windows, and my current one is dying (usable if you type softly ). I was going to make do with by old iBook and separate Windows box.

But now I get to order a beautiful new MBP .

If you are willing to run OEM code you can find XP Pro online for around $95

 

[Mikey Mike]

in fact that's true....most OEM sellers have concluded that the OEM rules require you to buy "any hardware" as the entry to buying an OEM licence for windows....a Imac is hardware! But remember the hardware and the OEM licence must be on the same invoice...do you think that Apple is going to sell XP OEM?

I know, I'm a reseller And yes I can put an iMac Intel and an OEM of XPP on one invoice no problem. MS licences say with any new hardware, OEM MS wireless mouse with that

 

[tdar]

Or just buy some hardware with the OEM XP CD, I think various places "suggest" a $1.99 power cord. As long as you're only planning to to "bare metal" installs OEM CD's are just fine.

B

I had forgotten that....that's why they say "any hardware"....

 

[AidenShaw]

Xp Oem $90

Or just buy some hardware with the OEM XP CD, I think various places "suggest" a $1.99 power cord. As long as you're only planning to to "bare metal" installs OEM CD's are just fine.

B

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16837102059

And before the expected whining chorus of "but that's XP Home, I need Pro" appears, it's really unlikely that many people who occasionally dual-boot into XP will need any of the added features in Pro. If they do, XP Pro OEM is $40 more.

 

[Steve1496]

Still not legal, though.

You might also find that Activation will help keep you honest - the copy of Windows will ask to be activated, and Microsoft will know that you're stealing from them.

How is using Virtual PC to write to a CD not legal? Assuming that he has 1 copy of XP on Virtual PC, and a seperate copy for installing to dual boot.