Windows XP Booting on Mac Contest Over

[YoNeX]

I know NO one will do this, but I remember somewhere in the XP manuals it says you MUST put the XP sticker (the one with all the license information) somewhere on the computer that you are installing XP to. Now seriously, who would do this?

Here is my opinion (whether legit or not) on the images of XP (.iso). Microsoft could care less if you make copies of the XP. But, as long as you buy a license for it, it should be perfectly acceptable. That is why the XP cd says "Do not make illegal duplicates." So its ok to make copies, as long as you do it legally.

Also, for those students out there, http://www.msdnaa.net/search/SchoolSearch.aspx?/ Search for your schools, and email the admin to get your login. This should give you EXCELLENT discount off of XP. If you are lucky, even free XP license!

 

[dornoforpyros]

eh as little as this interest me I suppose over all it's a good thing.

 

[Mikey Mike]

I know NO one will do this, but I remember somewhere in the XP manuals it says you MUST put the XP sticker (the one with all the license information) somewhere on the computer that you are installing XP to. Now seriously, who would do this?

Here is my opinion (whether legit or not) on the images of XP (.iso). Microsoft could care less if you make copies of the XP. But, as long as you buy a license for it, it should be perfectly acceptable. That is why the XP cd says "Do not make illegal duplicates." So its ok to make copies, as long as you do it legally.

Also, for those students out there, http://www.msdnaa.net/search/SchoolSearch.aspx?/ Search for your schools, and email the admin to get your login. This should give you EXCELLENT discount off of XP. If you are lucky, even free XP license!

Yes, that's true, I can now offer my clients a Intel Mac with XPP pre loaded with a sticker.

 

[Elrond39]

Absolutely. Were you living under a rock? When the video was posted, the guy in charge of the contest posted that he had been in touch with the team and thought it was likely the contest was over.

I was having a spot of trouble with my [mumble] windows xp-based [/mumble] laptop which I didn't get around to solving until this morning. So I missed the video, and posted that comment before I saw it. I was excited to read the posts in this thread

 

[Ace25]

viruses?

Will this know open up our macs to the windows world of viruses??

Why is nobody scared of this. Remember it was the OS that was saving us, not the hardware. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Convenient, maybe...scary, definitely!

 

[50548]

So back to my question, if what you're saying is true. Why is ANY BUSINESS developing solely for OS X? You're basically saying these people are "business-less"...?



If you expect me to believe that Adobe are gonna turn round and say "hey, we're not making anything for OS X anymore, if you wanna use our software. Download this bootloader, hack around a bit, buy a copy of windows, install it on your mac. Everytime you need to run our software, simply restart your machine and run windows, then launch our apps. What could be simpler!!!".....then I think you're havin' a laugh.

OK, I am gonna say it again...my concern is about future development/porting of products; it's a simple rule of business.

OS X products exist because there is a DEDICATED market for them. Smaller, I know, but it's there with who-knows-how-many millions of Macs around the globe. So if you wanted to enjoy this group of customers, you'd have to create specific software for them. Some companies made a lot of money, like MS, Adobe, perhaps Quark or even Aspyr...Mac users are a faithful bunch, and they like good products.

So why do firms like Aspyr exist? Because it was inconvenient, if not impossible, to run great games on the Mac. And with licensing agreements, Aspyr was able to make money where no others like EA or Id Software dared or bothered to go on their own; it's simple, it's obvious.

The same happens for MS with its Office 2004, Adobe etc., who have spent a lot of R&D money on their Mac versions, and already have a captive market.

Now let's move to scenario 2:

Autodesk, according to some published reports, was willing to port AutoCAD to the Mac if sufficient demand appeared in front of them; so they were asking for feedback from Mac users and professionals.

Yep, NO AutoCAD for Mac exists now; but it was highly probable that it would be deployed, following the upsurge in Mac purchases in recent years.

However, Apple comes today and tells us all: "We love Windows, officially support it and assert that you can install it on Macs without any hurdles".

Now think for a moment: Why on Earth would Autodesk, with such news in hands, even BOTHER about porting an extensive piece of code to XCode/Mac-specific requirements, if all you happy PC-loving campers can buy its Winblows version for the same price and run it natively on a white Mac? Again, I am not talking about something that is already there; I refer to things that WERE supposed to happen in the near future...and if Windows comes easily on the Mac, forget about recalcitrant companies coming to OS X and its beautiful and safe Aqua environment...yep, FORGET IT; that's all I have to say.

 

[Mikey Mike]

Will this know open up our macs to the windows world of viruses??

Why is nobody scared of this. Remember it was the OS that was saving us, not the hardware. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Convenient, maybe...scary, definitely!

You're dead right! NOD 32 Licence with every iMac NOW!!!

 

[Steve1496]

Will this know open up our macs to the windows world of viruses??

Why is nobody scared of this. Remember it was the OS that was saving us, not the hardware. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Convenient, maybe...scary, definitely!

It could destroy your Windows partition yes, but not your hardware or Mac OS X partition

 

[Spanky Deluxe]

It'll only damage your OS X partitions if the virus is designed to corrupt hard drives. Besides which, if you're scared of viruses, don't put Windows on, its as simple as that!!

 

[Mikey Mike]

It'll only damage your OS X partitions if the virus is designed to corrupt hard drives. Besides which, if you're scared of viruses, don't put Windows on, its as simple as that!!

How on Earth can you have a headless eMac Spanky? Your monitor die or are you an Apple tech with resources to bits?

 

[Whistleway]

Macs are gonna sell like crazy for a while !!!

 

[mark88]

OK, I am gonna say it again...my concern is about future development/porting of products; it's a simple rule of business.

CS3 is not a future product then? I'd say Adobe/Macromedia are pretty business savvy, and I'd going out on a limb to say they won't be stopping porting their products to mac

Autodesk, according to some published reports, was willing to port AutoCAD to the Mac if sufficient demand appeared in front of them; so they were asking for feedback from Mac users and professionals.

But the demand is still there, don't you see! The demand is for a Mac version of the product! Not simply 'a version that runs on my machine' (ie, windows versions running inside windows on my intel mac). This is a profressional product right? I hazard a guess most professionals could quite easily afford a PC or 4 if they wanted them.

Have faith. Look at is from this angle, with XP and OS X running on the same machine it gives millions of people the chance to compare them side by side, people that otherwise wouldn't even have thought about buying a mac. Now, if the general feeling of this group is true, that most of these people will end up loving OS X over XP then just think about that for a second? These people will now want all their software to run under OS X, why would they settle for software running on their non prefered OS? Therefore, the demand for OS X software is even greater.

I could only see this being a bad thing for Apple *if* Windows was actually better than OS X, which must of us here would agree it isn't. Therefore I really don't see why people are getting so worried.

 

[godrifle]

Good news for Apple

I completely agree. In fact, I've convinced one person at work who was solidly anti-Mac to purchase a new Core Duo because of this. I know so many people who have held back for a variety of reasons. Some people pooh-pooh those reasons, but an individual's reasons for avoiding Apple only have to be real to the user to prevent him/her from purchasing Apple. This goes a LONG way to diminishing those various concerns.

I think it will actually help Apple's marketshare considerably.

I think there are a large group of people who would like to buy Macs, but are concerned that their work or whatever will need them to use Windows. For these people, buying an Intel Mac that can boot windows if needed is a big safety net if they have any doubts that Mac OS X can handle their needs.

Also, there are people who do need to run Windows specific applications. Suddenly the value of an Intel Mac just went up considerably for these people.

arn

 

[awesomebase]

Makes you wonder

It does make you wonder if it took this amount of time for somebody to do this, why the heck is it taking MS so long to come up with VPC? I mean, does anybody see the irony in this? A company that spends literally $B is being usurped by a few people competing in a contest. Not taking anything away from MS, I'm just amazed at the work that has gone into this and the solution that is provided.
I don't think it is a threat in any way to OS X. My guess is that people will use it for games (though now both the XBOX and PS3 will finally do HD resolutions for graphics) and perhaps the odd utilities that may not be available for the Mac.

 

[Gordy]

Since it's won now, I guess I can talk. The install requires a Windows XP PC, with which Windows is already installed. From here you use Nero Burning ROM to mix files from your XP SP2 CD, copy them to a new project, and add in some $OEM$ files and folders, and fix some of the files in i386. From here, you use xom.efi (which is the bootloader), and bless it in Terminal. Once it's blessed on startup you get a pretty nice selector, and you choose Windows. From here the CSM layer pauses for 2.5 Minutes while it does whatever its doing. Then you'll get into Windows Setup.

I should also mention at this time, you cannot reboot Windows. You need to shutdown. If you attempt rebooting it will hang at Windows is Shutting Down screen.

Sounds relativly easily , its like creating your own windows xp disk pretty much

Thanks for the info

 

[SeRgIo_42]

Is there any reason to believe that booting XP into the mactels will give you a fast GUI ? I have seen people looking forward to play games, use intensive graphics stuff (CAD, etc) but the raw reality is that you will need good drivers for the graphics card.

I have doubts that MSN messenger (and its better webcam support for webcams) will work in a reasonable way up to this point.

Booting is just the start-up of a long process, which I doubt anyone will actually wait until the end. If you need to use Windows, keep that ugly gray box around.

 

[woolfgang]

What I'm curious about is, will companies with programs like 3ds Studio Max, be making versions that will run on the intel macs.

 

[tdar]

It'll only damage your OS X partitions if the virus is designed to corrupt hard drives. Besides which, if you're scared of viruses, don't put Windows on, its as simple as that!!

if your THAT scared of viruses don't run a computer

 

[Steve1496]

Is there any reason to believe that booting XP into the mactels will give you a fast GUI ? I have seen people looking forward to play games, use intensive graphics stuff (CAD, etc) but the raw reality is that you will need good drivers for the graphics card.

I have doubts that MSN messenger (and its better webcam support for webcams) will work in a reasonable way up to this point.

Booting is just the start-up of a long process, which I doubt anyone will actually wait until the end. If you need to use Windows, keep that ugly gray box around.

We're stilling searching for drivers for Windows. So far we have ethernet, wireless, and the chipset drivers. The Omega drivers for the x1600 (which IS a mobility) don't do anything even though they report as installed.

The Catalyst drivers so far, don't work.

 

[tdar]

What I'm curious about is, will companies with programs like 3ds Studio Max, be making versions that will run on the intel macs.

NO software companies will be supporting this....it's a geek thing

 

[IJ Reilly]

I think you owe some bird-eating.

I do. Yum, tasty crow...

 

[Macnoviz]

Also, while we're de-bunking myths---the Windows BSOD was a Win98 thing. Under XP, it's more like OSX--individual program crashes/freezes are isolated to the program, which can be stopped separately using the task manager. I don't recall ever seeing a BSOD in the several years I had an XP computer.[/QUOTE]
I have an HP Pavilion, that's not connected to anything (internet, other computers,...), runs XP SP2, and doesn't use any uncommon programs, but I've had several BSOD's in the last year. It has something to do with kernel memory, but I don't really know much about it

 

[IJ Reilly]

Alright. Who's cooking the crow, then?
And, IJ Reilly, would you like some ketchup with that?

No thanks -- pass me the tabasco sauce!

 

[whaley]

Uhh, if the end user is savvy enough to know what 'dual boot' means I think they could handle it.

I agree. I am no technical wizard and I am running a dual boot 9 and X box. This boot process sounds very familiar....

 

[spercharged69]

NO software companies will be supporting this....it's a geek thing

They will be supporting it because they support machines that run Windows XP. Programs base their support around an operating system.