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Ok,
I've downloaded the files and read the instructions. Seems pretty straighforward.
I'm not going to install just yet, as I have a few questions, which no doubt others will have, and will be answered in all due course, once the forums are back up and running.
For anyone interested, my questions are:
1) You need to use Nero to burn a CD. At present I don't have a CD burner on my PC (it's an old server, so never needed one). What I'm curious about is whether getting Nero to create an ISO image, and then burning that image on a Mac (the Intel iMac that I'd be dual booting) would work.
2) When you're partitioning the mac, are you limited to having just two partitions (I know they probably have to be named xp and osx). My reasoning, well, at the moment I have three partitions. two are 10.4.5, one other is blank (that can be reformatted to MS-DOS). I'd like to keep the two OS X partitions. One is my live setup, the other a development setup.
I've downloaded the files and read the instructions. Seems pretty straighforward.
I'm not going to install just yet, as I have a few questions, which no doubt others will have, and will be answered in all due course, once the forums are back up and running.
For anyone interested, my questions are:
1) You need to use Nero to burn a CD. At present I don't have a CD burner on my PC (it's an old server, so never needed one). What I'm curious about is whether getting Nero to create an ISO image, and then burning that image on a Mac (the Intel iMac that I'd be dual booting) would work.
2) When you're partitioning the mac, are you limited to having just two partitions (I know they probably have to be named xp and osx). My reasoning, well, at the moment I have three partitions. two are 10.4.5, one other is blank (that can be reformatted to MS-DOS). I'd like to keep the two OS X partitions. One is my live setup, the other a development setup.
The squeeze on game developers.
In the broad sense, no it won't put a squeeze on Mac porters for games.
1. This current situation with XP on iiMac is not an ideal situation for MOST mac users.
2. This current situation with XP on iiMac will probably for a while remain only in the more advanced Mac Users group.
3. Mac porter's target audience is not those that will be likely to install XP on their machines.
Right now as it stands there is practically no difference in hardware to PCs. We have practically identical hardware outside of the custom logicboards.
The biggest hurdle of porting any game to OS X is the DirectX API. A lot of developers tend to use it for their games regardless of the fact that it is horribly bloated, slow, proprietary, and complete lock-in.
The biggest advance of Intel Macs is the fact that we can now theoretically match the raw MHz that was sucha common issue with porting. As Tim C (id) said when it comes down to it, its almost always the raw MHz that separates performance. I'm sure if it comes down to assembly coding for gaming we will be up there with the big guys in speed.
What needs to be done is the gap needs to be closed between OpenGL and DirectX. Apple is well on its way to closing the gaps between ATI and nVidia with OS X. They've been working together to bring Macs better performance.
When more developers start adopting OpenGL things should become a lot easier.
But in the end those of the upper elite Mac Users who will use XP on their machines will put very little pressure on Mac Porters unless the ports are outright pathetic.
In the broad sense, no it won't put a squeeze on Mac porters for games.
1. This current situation with XP on iiMac is not an ideal situation for MOST mac users.
2. This current situation with XP on iiMac will probably for a while remain only in the more advanced Mac Users group.
3. Mac porter's target audience is not those that will be likely to install XP on their machines.
Right now as it stands there is practically no difference in hardware to PCs. We have practically identical hardware outside of the custom logicboards.
The biggest hurdle of porting any game to OS X is the DirectX API. A lot of developers tend to use it for their games regardless of the fact that it is horribly bloated, slow, proprietary, and complete lock-in.
The biggest advance of Intel Macs is the fact that we can now theoretically match the raw MHz that was sucha common issue with porting. As Tim C (id) said when it comes down to it, its almost always the raw MHz that separates performance. I'm sure if it comes down to assembly coding for gaming we will be up there with the big guys in speed.
What needs to be done is the gap needs to be closed between OpenGL and DirectX. Apple is well on its way to closing the gaps between ATI and nVidia with OS X. They've been working together to bring Macs better performance.
When more developers start adopting OpenGL things should become a lot easier.
But in the end those of the upper elite Mac Users who will use XP on their machines will put very little pressure on Mac Porters unless the ports are outright pathetic.
Sharkus said:
1)If I understand correctly there is a way that Nero burns the CD which is essential. So this may or may not work--but you can try it.
2)xom.efi should recoginize which partition is MS-DOS and it will erase it then install. If you have more than one MS-DOS partition, I believe it chooses the first one. Also the names of your partitions do not matter--I had the same question and blanka said it wouldn't matter.
I'm pretty sure that you can get away with mkisofs as Bart does here to create a bootable XP slipstreamed disc http://www.nu2.nu/bootcd/wxp/. The steps are very similar. However, Nero is certainly far more friendly about it until you've got it working.Steve1496 said:
Once you have the iso from mkisofs, you should be able to just burn it on the Mac. But I could be wrong...
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This is great because now I can purchase a Mac and not worry about losing the "ability" to run the few WinXP programs I really need access to.
But I don't really care about dual booting. All I really want is the ability to run WinXP programs fast WITHIN Mac OSX for the few times I would need access to a Windows specific program. All I'm looking for is a good VPC type program that can run at acceptable speeds. (I think they already exist?
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But I don't really care about dual booting. All I really want is the ability to run WinXP programs fast WITHIN Mac OSX for the few times I would need access to a Windows specific program. All I'm looking for is a good VPC type program that can run at acceptable speeds. (I think they already exist?
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ozone said:This is great because now I can purchase a Mac and not worry about losing the "ability" to run the few WinXP programs I really need access to.
But I don't really care about dual booting. All I really want is the ability to run WinXP programs fast WITHIN Mac OSX for the few times I would need access to a Windows specific program. All I'm looking for is a good VPC type program that can run at acceptable speeds. (I think they already exist?
Kext is being developed for Q (only UB of course). That'll make it a virtualizer so it runs at near native speeds inside OS X. It of course, will be free with Q.
http://qemu.dad-answers.com/viewtopic.php?t=930&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0
They're not done yet but he says only a few days.
wireless stream
why doesn't anybody just create the iso on the pc and stream it to their mac. then burn the cd and install it that way. the hardest part is making sure the boot image is correctly loaded before buring the iso... thats why its so easy with nero, they add a choice for boot image selection. alot of others don't.
why doesn't anybody just create the iso on the pc and stream it to their mac. then burn the cd and install it that way. the hardest part is making sure the boot image is correctly loaded before buring the iso... thats why its so easy with nero, they add a choice for boot image selection. alot of others don't.
kkapoor said:
Dude, yeah, I know that, but just like people won't use the term "niggardly" anymore (go look it up, it has nothing to do with race) for fear of being misunderstood, so too the term "final solution" has come to be associated with Naziism. Try using the term "white power" to describe the brilliance of the color white. Let me know what people think of that.
Steve1496 said:Now if the testers didn't have it working (all but 20" iMac), would they release it?
I wonder what it is about the 20 incher specifically that makes this not work?
So... will the Viruses migrate over from the dark side to the mac side when first booted up?
I mean really, this could be opening a big can of worms... the first OS X virus may have already happend
I mean really, this could be opening a big can of worms... the first OS X virus may have already happend
Aztechian said:
You need a PC? That's highlarious! Well, that stops quite a number of people who were going to try this from being able to.
Aztechian said:
I'm sure within a day or two, if not a few hours modified iiMac XP install .ISOs will be all over the torrent sites.
Steve1496 said:Now if the testers didn't have it working (all but 20" iMac), would they release it?
Well-- I'm waiting to see somebody actually give me some REAL data on this thing.
What's the speed like?
What's the driver situation?
Graphics?
Sound?
Games?????????
jblodgett said:
Already backed up my MacBook Pro, downloading the software now. I'll let you know in a couple hours.
(But that is one Mac-like bootloader... WAAAY better than LILO, and even better than GRUB.)
Steve1496 said:
Good luck! It's guys like you who make the hacker community great! All these great minds working together to crack this nut. The power of the Internet!
phd said:So... will the Viruses migrate over from the dark side to the mac side when first booted up?
I mean really, this could be opening a big can of worms... the first OS X virus may have already happend
OMG. Putting OSX and windows on the same disk would breed new viruses, with abnormal DNA that will destroy the whole world
. Narf should'nt hav done it.