Windows XP Booting on Mac Contest Over

[AidenShaw]

WIndows 3D drivers

Graphics is a problem. There aren't any good x1600M drivers for Windows, at least nobody has found any.

Games, well read the graphics problem. Right now graphics are poor until we get good drivers.

Microsoft has a large selection of graphics drivers on its XP CD, but there are two issues that come up:

• Graphics chips that came out after the XP CD was manufactured might not be supported at all, or may work with an older version of the driver that doesn't support all capabilities
• 3D (DirectX/OpenG) is not supported at all - it's always been the responsibility of the graphics card companies to provide drivers that support hardware accelerated 3D
• Software emulated 3D is supported.

That's probably why the full resolution/color depth of the monitor works, but games are a problem.

 

[suntzu]

What do you mean? Blanka worked with a Mac Mini tester and fixed the Mac Mini, so mini works now. As for drivers for the Intel graphics, I don't think that'd be hard to find.

I know it runs on the Mac mini. I said that the video component is probably using the generic video drivers included with XP and that the Intel graphics drivers need to be found.

ATI Catlyst drivers do not work for the iMacs, and MBP.

Do you mean they DO work for PC systems that have the X1600 Mobility and that the drivers just don't have any support just for macs?

 

[g.x]

Dumb Question

Okay, maybe I'm the only one that hasn't figured this out...

How do you insert/eject an optical disc?

 

[DTphonehome]

Microsoft has a large selection of graphics drivers on its XP CD, but there are two issues that come up:

• Graphics chips that came out after the XP CD was manufactured might not be supported at all, or may work with an older version of the driver that doesn't support all capabilities
• 3D (DirectX/OpenG) is not supported at all - it's always been the responsibility of the graphics card companies to provide drivers that support hardware accelerated 3D
• Software emulated 3D is supported.

That's probably why the full resolution/color depth of the monitor works, but games are a problem.

Is writing a custom video driver a realistic possibility? Or modifying the closest thing to the x1600 and releasing that?

 

[Maaij]

Hi

Is it possible the install it on a extern HD?

Am I able to play avi files or are the video drivers not ready for this yet?

 

[milo]

Okay, maybe I'm the only one that hasn't figured this out...

How do you insert/eject an optical disc?

Insert is just like mac, the intel macs are all slot loading. In windows, there are a couple ways to eject CD's, the simplest is just to right click it in the finder and pick Eject from the menu.

 

[nagromme]

This is all GOOD for Apple and for Mac users, and thus indirectly bad (in the long term) for Microsoft. I'm kind of surprised it took this long

As for Mac-native software: whether companies keep developing for Mac depends on only one thing--demand/sales.

Demand and sales of Mac apps will INCREASE, not decrease, so there's no fear of a reduction in Mac apps. They will grow more than ever.

The factors:

* Demand will fall a TINY amount from people who are willing to settle for Windows apps--apps with their own awkward UI different from the Mac UI, and apps that you can't (if you dual boot) use at the same TIME as your Mac apps. This is not good usability, but does the job and some people will settle for it--some will have to.

* At the same time, demand will grow a HUGE amount as the overall Mac market grows. And ability to run Windows apps will in fact help that to happen (it's a great comfort zone for people afraid to leave the herd).

If you think demand for Mac apps will shrink, then you must think people's willingness to run Windows apps on Mac will grow faster than the overall growth of the Mac market. You must think Mac users will be willing to "settle" for Windows apps on a large scale. I think the reverse will be true, in a big way.

Some Mac owners ALREADY use Windows apps if they have to. They run VPC or keep an old PC around. It's not like living dual-platform is some new option. It's simply faster now. But the point is that it's something Mac users do if they HAVE to--but they'd RATHER have the Mac version. That preference isn't changing.

Most people may not need Windows apps on Mac, but some do (including me, for occasional Windows testing at least), and having the option is a good thing for the Mac platform, not a bad one.

 

[HyperX]

Insert is just like mac, the intel macs are all slot loading. In windows, there are a couple ways to eject CD's, the simplest is just to right click it in the finder and pick Eject from the menu.

TSK TSK

Explorer. Get use to it. It's going to be ok (gives you a shoulder)

 

[Steve1496]

I know it runs on the Mac mini. I said that the video component is probably using the generic video drivers included with XP and that the Intel graphics drivers need to be found.

http://www.intel.com/support/chipsets/sb/CS-020683.htm
This should cover graphics, no?

Do you mean they DO work for PC systems that have the X1600 Mobility and that the drivers just don't have any support just for macs?

The ATI drivers don't support x1600 yet. There was a driver that was a beta for users who didn't want to wait for it for Windows, but I can't find that as the forums at OnMac and OSX86Project are down. I'm unsure if these are tested yet.

 

[john7jr]

Okay, maybe I'm the only one that hasn't figured this out...

How do you insert/eject an optical disc?

You place the circular discy thingie (CD) in the slot on the front of the MacBook.

It spins...

You press the "eject key" to the right of the f12 key, and it comes back out that same slot.

=)

 

[ThomasM]

i guess this will work using an eh "copied" version of windows xp sp2 ?

yes ? no ?

 

[HyperX]

Okay, maybe I'm the only one that hasn't figured this out...

How do you insert/eject an optical disc?

Insert the disc you simply push it against the slot till it gets sucked in.

Eject you simply stick a flathead screw driver in and pry it loose. Failing this a Hammer will surfice ;P

 

[nickweston]

I'm SOOOO excited!

Now that someone else figured out how I can boot Windows on my G5, I can focus all my attention on getting that Buick engine to fit in my Ferrari.

NW

 

[MacsRgr8]

yes ? no ?

let's put it this way: why not?

 

[Aztechian]

Now that someone else figured out how I can boot Windows on my G5, I can focus all my attention on getting that Buick engine to fit in my Ferrari.

NW

I hope this was part of the joke...

 

[peharri]

Actually, it's not possible for Intel Macs to be running "Mac Edition" video cards. The "Mac Edition" referred to a change in Endianess, due to differences between x86 and PowerPC. Since Intel Macs use Intel chips, and therefore Intel's take on Endianess, a Mac Edition video card would not work.
It should be possible to just write or reverse-engineer and re-implement an existing Windows driver for a similar video chipset.

FWIW, it doesn't have anything to do with endianess. There are PC Radeon cards out there that have been successfully reflashed as Mac Edition cards.

The issue is actually just a firmware one. Mac Edition cards generally have OpenFirmware compatable ROMs (or, these days, ROM images in flash), PCs have VESA BIOSes.

There are occasionally minor changes above and beyond that, but that's generally the difference. To make things a little more complicated, the PCI IDs usually differ between PC and Mac Edition versions, which means code that doesn't use the firmware (such as X.org/XFree86) still will not work without being told, specifically, that despite what the PCI ID says, it really is such-and-such a card.

 

[harveypooka]

This is great news - I just got my PPC iMac replaced with an Intel one it was delivered today! I will go out and buy Half Life 2 tomorrow and load up XP if I know that there are drivers for the X1600. Is it as simple as just loading the Windows drivers or does the BIOS have to be programmed to accept/recognise the card? If I can load Windows drivers, I'm playing Half Life 2 all weekend....lovely. Half Life 2 on an iMac...that sounds so nice. Would be nicer if it were OSX though....

 

[javiercr]

the onmac.net site is overloaded but you can download from mirrors, i.e mine:

http://www.devishlyslinky.com/winxponmac0.1.zip

moderator: if you don't like to have a link to this here please remove post.

 

[suntzu]

Microsoft has a large selection of graphics drivers on its XP CD, but there are two issues that come up:

• Graphics chips that came out after the XP CD was manufactured might not be supported at all, or may work with an older version of the driver that doesn't support all capabilities
• 3D (DirectX/OpenG) is not supported at all - it's always been the responsibility of the graphics card companies to provide drivers that support hardware accelerated 3D
• Software emulated 3D is supported.

That's probably why the full resolution/color depth of the monitor works, but games are a problem.

The first point: Actually they are "supported" but you need to download the drivers for them. These WHQL Certified drivers are supported.

The second point: I think there might be some confusion. DirectX support IS in Windows. It's the responsibility of the card makers to make sure their cards support 3D DirectX "calls".

 

[RichP]

Has anyone tried the catalyst for XP media center? it says to include x1K family drivers, may work for the 1600...

 

[g.x]

Insertion & Ejection

I've always wanted to title a post with that.

Okay, okay, so I AM a bone-head...didn't know you can right-click and eject a disc from Windows.

And as far as putting it in, I never knew that it worked like a car stereo tray...you just push it in? I (poor me) have a lowly g3 ibook...I have to "eject" to open the tray before I can load a disc.

 

[calculus]

Now that someone else figured out how I can boot Windows on my G5, I can focus all my attention on getting that Buick engine to fit in my Ferrari.

NW

Yes!

 

[john7jr]

yes ? no ?

You have to create a custom CD from an existing REAL XP SP2 disc. It does not matter if the CD is copied or not, as long as it's functional.

=)

 

[DTphonehome]

I refuse to believe this is true! How can you run windows on a mac when everyone knows macs EXPLODE when you plug in a two-button mouse?! Answer THAT, Mr. Smartypants!

 

[wasd]

who can voice chat and follow the instruction with me. I following the instructions but just not sure. Just want to double check with someone by voice chat. Anyone willing to help.

Thanks