On my M1 iPad with 16GB of RAM, Stage manager will crash every so often when the iPad is connected to a Studio Display, taking all the apps on the screen with it. Ridiculous.
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iPad Work Fails on iPad — a list.
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I love that this thread is about specific iPad problems which therefore actually have a chance of being solved or at least understood, rather than just vague (therefore unsolvable) complaints about iPadOS that “prove” why Apple should put macOS on iPad.
Do you mean SalesForce for iPad app?
We use SalesForce (and an integrated PSA tool) and I only ever use the browser version and it works fine.
Yeah, people who really care about iPad want iPadOS and iPad apps to improve, not MacOS on iPad.
Unfortunately some people are easily annoyed when someone dares saying anything negative about the iPad, because for them it's "perfect as it is" or because they are afraid that Apple could make the iPad "less simple" (which is nonsense, because functionality does not need to impact simplicity if it's well implemented).
For now it's unfortauntely the contrary, Apple has been very slow in addressing even some basic issues with iPadOS, so let's hope someone up there is listening to our complaints....
Part of the problem is that there are some very loud voices on this forum that actually are pushing the macOS on iPad angle (some of whom actually want to completely replace iPadOS with macOS, others want some sort of “dual boot” concept). Some of them are just trolls, I assume, but some of them are serious about it and won’t accept any other solution. They typically pop up in these sorts of threads or start new threads en masse when new iPad hardware or new iPadOS versions are announced. A lot of iPad fans like myself are tired of dealing with them, especially some of the more trollish ones, which colors threads like this one.
This one’s a lot more civil because they haven’t hijacked it or even chimed in.
I know, and while I don't even argue with people who want to replace iPadOS, as it makes zero sense, I have a more nuanced approach to people who want a dual boot. They don't all want it as the only solution. Some of them want it "if Apple does not manage to improve iPadOS enough" but that would not be their first choice, even Christopher Lawley said that. Personally I think there is more to lose than to gain from MacOS as dual boot or worse virtualized as it would remove incentives for App developers. So no, I don't want it to happen even if in the past I have flirted with the idea. But what bothers me even more is people who get offended as soon as you say something negative about iPadOS or dare request a desktop feature (see the other top thread here). iPadOS needs to grow, needs many improvements, so we should be costructive, precisely because we love the iPad and we want to do more with it. And as I just said in another thread, trolls are toxic, but so are these people who don't allow any criticism of iPadOS, cause you cannot have a costructive dialogue with either...
thanks for mentioning this and reminding me…
last week i was at mexican immigration completing my residency. i’d missed a form & was given clear instructions in how to complete and print it. no problem - i’ve got my ipad and magic keyboard on me. after filling out the online form it REFUSED to propagate into the document i needed to print. tried “desktop mode”, different browsers, didn’t matter. ended up having to pay for a cab to a cyber cafe where i had to pay to use their windows PC.
because ipad wasn’t capable. thanks apple.
Im one of those people who will support macOS running on iPad given roughly the same hardware, mostly because Apple’s stance on making iPadOS infinitely closer to macOS without turning it into one (iPadOS 18 prediction goes wild 😮). They want to appeal as many people as they can but don’t want to cross that line.
For those people who are able to live without desktop/laptop, great. But many also just cant make the jump because of iPadOS seemingly missing some basic functionality, like a centralised file system, or files app’s ability to cache a cloud file so it could be uploaded somewhere else. Even macOS has requested explicit full disk access nowadays. One really has to wonder where this iPadOS would go.
Have you tried dragging and dropping it from the files app? I think it works for mail at least. Gmail now supports the files app as well.
9:00 AM:
I arrive at our campus, iPad in hand. The security guard raises an eyebrow. “Is that the new tablet we are working on?” he asks. I nod solemnly. “Yes, the Tablet Pro 9000. We are going to crush Apple with this one.”
10:00 AM:
In the morning stand-up, I got nothing to present because Siri refused to write the code of a feature I was working on. The team is very disappointed at me that I am empty handed. If I only had the Microsoft Surface with Co-pilot, then I would have been covered.
12:00 PM:
Lunchtime! I head to the cafeteria, iPad tucked under my arm. The salad bar has co-workers from the AI/ML team who are laughing at me for choosing Siri over our AI. Nobody allows me to sit at their table with my iPad. So I eat all alone at lunch together with Siri and my iPad.
3:00 PM:
I’m trying to code on my iPad, which is me trying to create clever prompts to make Siri produce me the code I need for the feature I am working. However I am starting to realise I'm never going to get promoted to L6 with this ****** Siri on the iPad.
6:00 PM:
As the day is coming to an end, I reflect on my day realising that this iPad is going to get me demoted to L4. I head to the Apple Store and buy me a MacBook Pro so that I don't loose my $500k/year job.
That was a day of me failing at work with the iPad Pro.
I arrive at our campus, iPad in hand. The security guard raises an eyebrow. “Is that the new tablet we are working on?” he asks. I nod solemnly. “Yes, the Tablet Pro 9000. We are going to crush Apple with this one.”
10:00 AM:
In the morning stand-up, I got nothing to present because Siri refused to write the code of a feature I was working on. The team is very disappointed at me that I am empty handed. If I only had the Microsoft Surface with Co-pilot, then I would have been covered.
12:00 PM:
Lunchtime! I head to the cafeteria, iPad tucked under my arm. The salad bar has co-workers from the AI/ML team who are laughing at me for choosing Siri over our AI. Nobody allows me to sit at their table with my iPad. So I eat all alone at lunch together with Siri and my iPad.
3:00 PM:
I’m trying to code on my iPad, which is me trying to create clever prompts to make Siri produce me the code I need for the feature I am working. However I am starting to realise I'm never going to get promoted to L6 with this ****** Siri on the iPad.
6:00 PM:
As the day is coming to an end, I reflect on my day realising that this iPad is going to get me demoted to L4. I head to the Apple Store and buy me a MacBook Pro so that I don't loose my $500k/year job.
That was a day of me failing at work with the iPad Pro.
It is an issue with iPadOS that apps have to save any temporary state in case they’re getting killed in the background. While we all know why it came to be that way, it is undeniably a drawback of the OS and burdens app developers with having to implement nontrivial logic over and over again for a circumstance that may or may not occur. Whereas on desktop OSs it “just works” out of the box without requiring special support by the app.
You're not dumb at all. Let's kick the right person in the balls here: Microsoft.
Teams on iPadOS is implemented in React Native because Microsoft are cheap, lazy and incompetent. It's the shiny thing of the hour for building everything in but it's architected for the lowest cost to MSFT and quality suffers for it. Application state management in that is buggy and broken as hell on everything and that is the cause of the issues. The same garbage happens in Discord and Slack for example when you switch back and forward from other apps. And the same thing happens on Android too because that works slightly differently. And the cost you pay here, because this immense stack of garbage has to bring the whole world with it, is that it eats a lot of RAM which means when you switch to and from it, bam, your application state is shot and reloaded. And that doesn't contain everything you were doing because Microsoft are cheap, lazy and incompetent.
And they're slowly rewriting everything in it. All the stuff on O365 online is where it festers and eventually they shovel it into an app for your platform and celebrate like demented clapping seals that they delivered this cross platform version of their software. New Outlook is the epitome of this methodology; slow, buggy nightmare. Software architects everywhere burst into tears of joy thinking all the problems are solved and copy them because they are talentless one trick ponies who copy big people because it makes them think they are big too.
Eventually all the RAM is gone running several whole browser stacks on a machine because of this. My work laptop has 64Gb of RAM and I run out all the time.
It is the wrong tool for the job and it is hurting you and you should stop rewarding them for it by giving them money. Pick something quality and native where the vendor actually cares enough about you to build something out for your platform, not for their pocket.
The issue was exiting Teams to drop into another app to copy and paste a link back into Teams. If he used continuity on an iPhone, he could have obtained and copied the link, and then pasted into Teams on the iPad without exiting the iPad app.
Is what I describe a great workflow? No. But Teams is terrible software and, if you have to use it, you have to find ways to navigate around its worst deficiencies.
Sorry, since there was no quote etc. I thought it was referred to my post about excel
Blame the Mexican government for insisting on a “desktop” browser.
i’ll stick with blaming the company who ran ads for the longest time insisting that my next computer need not be a computer.
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This is super fair. How hard would it be for Apple to change the user agent to some mac flavor and be done with it?
Mexico of all countries should recognize that for many around the world their mobile device is their only computer.
I'm curious if disabling "Block Pop-ups" in Safari might have helped.
Some of the issues I've had with websites turned out to be due to Safari blocking pop-up windows.
I have so many workflows that depend on pulling information from multiple apps, websites, docs (and typically keeping formatting neutral). Takes no time on macOS primarily because I can take advantage of a handful of keyboard shortcuts and flipping through windows quickly. Copy and pasting / manipulating data on iPadOS always feels like a big, painful lift. Although window management has come a long long ways on iPadOS, mono-tasking (and consuming content) is where I stay on it.
I’m in the camp where I don’t expect it to be a laptop replacement, but still surprised at my tendency to pick up an iPhone instead.
I’m in the camp where I don’t expect it to be a laptop replacement, but still surprised at my tendency to pick up an iPhone instead.
absolutely. at the same time apple should make sure their “desktop class” browser can run desktop sites.
It was pretty freeing to get away from things like this when I switched to a MacBook for most of my stuff. Being able to just trust that the thing you left in the background is still going doesn't seem like a big deal when you just think about it, but you really notice it when you go from iPad to Mac.
No it doesn’t. Besides, some websites give you a button to click to pick a file. That one doesn’t support drag and drop.
“Desktop class” browser has been untrue from the start for all intents and purposes, at least from user standpoint. It may have the same core as desktop browser, but it’s not a desktop browser.
iPad is just a glorified iPhone after all. I like using my iPad, to do iPhone things, but better.