Hi! Thanks for the awesome app. But the question arose: when swimming in a 50m pool, the lap time data in the WOD is different from the data in the fitness app. In this case, the average lap time and the total training time are the same. I suppose that this is somehow connected with the algorithm for determining the lap, but who is more to believe in WOD or fitness?
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WOD shows the lap times reported by watchOS to it. However these do not include pausing at the end of a lap, which I assume that Apple is including.
Not an official one that is presentable enough to publish. I add release notes with each beta which list all the bug fixes in that beta for the testers, but I don't merge them into one big list for the release. Sorry about that.
Question about pace and power zones. Will they be restricted to five zones? Or will that be customizable? I at times follow 80/20 endurance zones which has 7 technically.
Yes they will both have 7 zones: 0 to 6. The only limitation is that zone 0 must start at 0 for both power and pace. They will have a configurable threshold (considered 100%) and then 6 different configurable values splitting the range into 7 zones.
There are currently effectively 7 heart rate zones as well in that less than zone 1 is considered zone 0 and greater than max HR is considered zone "6+".
Yes, the elevation data has always been in the Thunderforest map tiles, but the app was previously not reading it when rendering the map. So there is no need to delete the maps in order to now see the elevations for peaks.FYI, It seems the newly added POIs will actually appear even without deleting the map cache. I tried deleting cache the other day before adding a few POIs, but I can already see my POIs added e.g. 2 days ago on the map... which is good news!
No, it is completely unrelated. The only recent change that may affect the GPS trail is that the previous version of the app exported all the points to GPX files, so it may have looked more jagged in some other apps. Some people also reported that the distance was reading long in some apps, so I have reverted this back in the latest version to only exporting points where you have moved more than 5m, with an option to export all the points if you want.
It may be worth checking that you have the new version, which was released just under a week ago, but which I asked Apple to release gradually over a week, so some people may not have it. I always release like this because if there is a problem then it may be found before everyone is using the new version. However it only affects automatic updates so if you manually check the App Store and download it then you should see and get the latest version.
To check the versions please go to the Settings tab on the iPhone app and tap Information. The version shown should be 4.5.5. Then please go to the Settings on the watch app and tap More. Then scroll to the bottom and again the version shown should be 4.5.5.
If either version is not up to date then please go to the App Store for that device and download the latest version. So go to the App Store on the watch to update the watch app, or the App Store on the iPhone to update the iPhone app. Unfortunately Apple do not update both devices at the same time so you may have updated on one device and it won’t have updated the app on other.
Funny that you mention the version info.
This is corrupt for me since I installed the update.
Says: iPhone 4.5.5, AW 4.4.39
Have 4.5.5 on the AW, manually updated. Force quit multiple times and rebooted. Wrong version info display on iPhone stays. Don’t care as all other stuff works.
This is corrupt for me since I installed the update.
Says: iPhone 4.5.5, AW 4.4.39
Have 4.5.5 on the AW, manually updated. Force quit multiple times and rebooted. Wrong version info display on iPhone stays. Don’t care as all other stuff works.
Have you rebooted both devices? It could be that the iOS and watch apps are not communicating, which is why the iOS app doesn't yet know that the watchOS app has updated. Also it may just be that they haven't had need to communicate yet. Although as long as it all works then it isn't a problem.
I was specifically asking about whether you have rebooted both devices because when they are not communicating then it could be either iOS or watchOS that is the cause. People often say they have rebooted but only mean the watch or the iPhone but not both.
Have you changed any settings on the watch? This will specifically cause the watch to send the data to the iPhone, including the version number. It could be that the watch app is not sending the version otherwise in the latest version of the app.
No, unfortunately Stryd still do not include the serial number of the footpod in the name, so the app cannot differentiate them. This is fine for ANT+ but not for Bluetooth, which is why every other sensor I have seen does include the serial number.
Seeing any changes made to the map data should require the map tiles to be deleted and re-downloaded. If you have already downloaded the tile and it is in the cache then it shouldn't be downloaded again unless you delete it from the cache. At least that is the theory.I was referring to newly added POIs (eg mountain hut, restaurant etc), corrected names…., not elevation for peaks.
I was wondering what type of workout I should choose for pickleball, and a Google search showed me that pickleball had been added as a workout type in WatchOS 7, although to show up it needs to be added as a workout type via Add Workout in the Workout app on the watch. After I did that, pickleball shows up as a choice in the Workout app, but not in the workout types available in WorkOutDoors. I have tried restarting the phone and the watch, but that didn't help. Is it possible to get pickleball as a workout choice in WorkOutDoors?
WorkOutDoors only shows a subset of the hundreds of activities that Apple's app offers. I am slowly adding activities with each release.
Most of the minor ones will have exactly the same metrics as the “Other Indoor/Outdoor” activities, but I realise that it would be good to see the name of the sport. Pickleball has been requested at least once before so it is on my list for the future. In the meantime the Other Indoor activity is probably best (as it does not need GPS).
Anyone else often getting longer hiking distances with Apple's pedometer enabled in AOD's Distance & Average Pace settings vs. GPS distances? It's quite frustrating, as I tried recalibrating my Apple Watch but it didn't seem to help (did several 20-min walks on flat terrain as recommended by Apple and whatnot), so I really don't know what's the problem with Apple's pedometer. GPS distance indeed seems to be more accurate than the latter, when compared with official hiking distances online!
So I then switched to GPS for Distance & Average Pace instead of Apple's pedometer in AOD's Hiking Settings. That way AOD records the GPS distance in hikes. But it will still report shorter GPS distance vs. Apple's pedometer at the end of the workout. In the Fitness app, however, the workout includes Apple pedometer's (longer and incorrect) distance. Not sure how I feel about this - would still prefer to not to have to rely on GPS only (so to avoid possible inaccuracies due to poor signal in dense forests etc), but Apple's pedometer often grossly overestimates my hiking distance for some reason. I really don't understand why...as I always correctly record workouts on my Apple Watch - walking/hiking for walking/hiking, running for running, etc.!
So I then switched to GPS for Distance & Average Pace instead of Apple's pedometer in AOD's Hiking Settings. That way AOD records the GPS distance in hikes. But it will still report shorter GPS distance vs. Apple's pedometer at the end of the workout. In the Fitness app, however, the workout includes Apple pedometer's (longer and incorrect) distance. Not sure how I feel about this - would still prefer to not to have to rely on GPS only (so to avoid possible inaccuracies due to poor signal in dense forests etc), but Apple's pedometer often grossly overestimates my hiking distance for some reason. I really don't understand why...as I always correctly record workouts on my Apple Watch - walking/hiking for walking/hiking, running for running, etc.!
The usual reason for Apple's distances being incorrect is if you use the watch for another activity (with any app) but tell it that you are walking or hiking. This can then confuse their algorithm.Anyone else often getting longer hiking distances with Apple's pedometer enabled in AOD's Distance & Average Pace settings vs. GPS distances? It's quite frustrating, as I tried recalibrating my Apple Watch but it didn't seem to help (did several 20-min walks on flat terrain as recommended by Apple and whatnot), so I really don't know what's the problem with Apple's pedometer. GPS distance indeed seems to be more accurate than the latter, when compared with official hiking distances online!
So I then switched to GPS for Distance & Average Pace instead of Apple's pedometer in AOD's Hiking Settings. That way AOD records the GPS distance in hikes. But it will still report shorter GPS distance vs. Apple's pedometer at the end of the workout. In the Fitness app, however, the workout includes Apple pedometer's (longer and incorrect) distance. Not sure how I feel about this - would still prefer to not to have to rely on GPS only (so to avoid possible inaccuracies due to poor signal in dense forests etc), but Apple's pedometer often grossly overestimates my hiking distance for some reason. I really don't understand why...as I always correctly record workouts on my Apple Watch - walking/hiking for walking/hiking, running for running, etc.!
For example some people do run/walks, or some sort of nordic walking, or something slightly different and there isn't an activity for that so they pick the walking or hiking activity because it is the closest. The watch then thinks they have a different stride length when they actually hike.
However some people just don't get much success with Apple's distances (variable stride length perhaps?), which is why the app offers the GPS option.
Also I do wonder how they can calculate it for hikes over variable terrain where your stride length can vary a lot (e.g. climbing a steep scree vs walking on tarmac). It's fine for walking/running on consistent surfaces, but hiking terrain can vary massively so the GPS option is probably best anyway. Maybe they use a combination of the pedometer and GPS (they don't reveal that sort of detail) but if it doesn't work for you then it's best to use the GPS distances.
Is there a way to make WOD get GPS from the phone instead of the watch while using map-only mode? I'll be doing a 78 mile gravel ride tomorrow and will be using my Wahoo ROAM as the main device, but want to use WOD to view the route as needed, so looking for battery saving tips for that.
watchOS will automatically get the GPS from the iPhone if connected. The app can't do anything about that, but it is useful in this case.
Other battery saving tips that may help are:
- switch off always on display if the watch has it
- switch off cellular if the watch has it
- switch off wake on wrist raise (so you need to tap the screen to see it)
- do not use the watch for anything else
- reboot the watch on the day
- do not install any watchOS or iOS updates in the days beforehand
Note that in map-only mode the GPS will switch off if you don't use the app for 5 minutes. This will mean that it will lose the breadcrumb trail and may take a few seconds to get a lock.
However you can change this in the settings to longer times if you require. To do this go to the settings when in map-only mode and there is a "Keep GPS on for" option that defaults to the 5 minutes but can be changed to anything up to 3 hours if you need.