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Apps WorkOutDoors: New workout features
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Mapout is cool too. I use it for some planning when I will merge several routes to one route.
Komoot can‘t do that.
After 4 years of watching WOD, I bought the app today. 😎 My Apple Watch Ultra is coming in a few weeks and I'm looking forward to trail runs and gravel rides with WOD.
The app has a ton of features and settings and I'm going to take a look at every setting in the next few days and configure the app optimally for me. Some questions will surely be answered but I'm sure new questions will come up 😝
There are countless workout screens that are displayed on my iPhone. I don't need all of them. Can I delete or deactivate them so that they don't appear on the Ultra?
The app has a ton of features and settings and I'm going to take a look at every setting in the next few days and configure the app optimally for me. Some questions will surely be answered but I'm sure new questions will come up 😝
There are countless workout screens that are displayed on my iPhone. I don't need all of them. Can I delete or deactivate them so that they don't appear on the Ultra?
I am currently struggling through the settings. Not so easy, especially if English is not your native language. I really have a hard time understanding some things.
What do these symbols mean or what can I set with them?
The first one I have configured, that's for how the map should look. But the rest?
What do these symbols mean or what can I set with them?
The first one I have configured, that's for how the map should look. But the rest?
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Don't forget, Apple has just released a backtracking map system (breadcrumbs). This doesn't compare to WOD but, I think you have to take this as a signal as to what's coming along in the future. They tend to release a bare bones feature, run it for a year and collect data on how it performs then flesh it out with the a major update / full system the year after (sleep monitoring). I wouldn't be surprised to see Apple release a Topo map / route system within the next year.... or the year after. Especially for the Ultra watches.
With this in mind, pushing a $5 blanket subscription may not be the best at this point and may alienate quite a few people who would then have an alternative. It would make more sense to keep the current app as is and to provide bolt ons for extra features either as a one off or subscription.
That mountain symbol is on the Map configuration page. It is one of several symbols at the top of that screen that just describe different locations. The idea is that when you configure your map settings you can see how they look in the city, the countryside, the mountains, a ski resort, a river and by the coast/sea.
So changing the location does not affect any of the settings, it just shows you how those settings look in that type of location.
For example in the screenshots below I have changed the colours of the contours above and below your current location. This wouldn't have much affect in most of the other locations but in the mountains you can see that the different colours help to judge the terrain and more easily show that you are on a ridge between a higher peak and a peak that is not as high.
One of the best updates ever for WOD. It makes reading terrain at a glance so much easier. Setting different coloured contour lines for above and below you is really handy when you need to take in your position quickly while keeping an eye on your footing!
Ok, now all is ok with the maps 😛
Now I am currently configuring my screens and the metrics in English are driving me crazy. I don't understand what they mean. 😞
First the question what is the different beetween Pace (current) and Pace (GPS)?
Then I am looking for the possibility to display the pace of the last 3 seconds? I have set this on my Garmin Fenix, because over the years it has been found that the current pace of all sports watches is not so accurate and sometimes gives different values. Therefore the pace of the last 3 seconds (or last 5 seconds) is the best.
I haven't found a way to configure it. Thought maybe it would work with the rolling pace, but unfortunately the smallest value is 10 seconds.
Now I am currently configuring my screens and the metrics in English are driving me crazy. I don't understand what they mean. 😞
First the question what is the different beetween Pace (current) and Pace (GPS)?
Then I am looking for the possibility to display the pace of the last 3 seconds? I have set this on my Garmin Fenix, because over the years it has been found that the current pace of all sports watches is not so accurate and sometimes gives different values. Therefore the pace of the last 3 seconds (or last 5 seconds) is the best.
I haven't found a way to configure it. Thought maybe it would work with the rolling pace, but unfortunately the smallest value is 10 seconds.
Pace (Current) is the current pace used in all the profiles, alerts, schedules etc. However it can be configured to come from the watchOS pedometer system or the GPS system or the Health system. So the app also has metrics for each of those so you can display them all at the same time if you want, for comparison purposes. By default Pace (Current) will always match Pace (Pedometer) unless you change the source for current pace in the Pace settings.
Below this source option is a "smoothing" setting. This allows you to use the average of the last n values supplied by the source. So the higher the smoothing setting then the larger the window that is used.
So I recommend playing with the smoothing until you find a setting you like. However most people seem to like the default of no smoothing, probably because Apple are already smoothing the data pretty well.
It does not show exact time windows (like "3 seconds") because the frequency varies between the sources and because Apple do not specify the frequency at which the values are supplied to the app. This is also why the rolling pace windows start at 10s. Anything less than that cannot be guaranteed due to the frequency of the speed readings supplied to the app.
I am sorry that it doesn't work like Garmin but there are different constraints involved.
Are you sure it wouldn't be an idea to have a 7-day free trial + a $2.99/month subscription + a $60 fixed price to use the app forever? Higher app prices can be great for users as long as profits help speed up development. I certainly wouldn't mind paying more than I have so far if it meant I could have offline maps for much larger areas and speedy access to a gorgeous UI/UX.
I can‘t imagine that some people would pay $60 for an App. 😳 I‘m Not.
When WOD will get a subscription they will lost me. I don‘t use apps with subscription 😛
And at the moment there are to many features missing (AOD, Button, t-b-t) for that.
By the way, I don't want to minimize Ian's work and admire the work he has put into WOD for years.
Those sort of prices would be great for me, but would probably deter many people, and at the moment I just want as many people as possible to use (and hopefully enjoy) the app.
As I say in the future (after AOD, TBT etc) then I may charge more for extra features with on-going costs (not for any existing features), and maybe some users will pay for that just to support the app, even if they don't specifically need those extra features.
But that is a decision for another day so I am not worrying about it now. At the moment I am focussed on the action button for the Ultra.
Hi, today I had an interval run (10x300m) with my ultra coupled with a Stryd. The pace of each interval was wrong ( less than real). When I transfer the data on the iPhone app data have changed it was better but less again than a friend with his garmin.
I don’t change any settings and it was working better before. An idea ?
I don’t change any settings and it was working better before. An idea ?
I suspect serious runners would be more than willing to spend $60 for the app but only if they are able to test it first. I would pay that without hesitation. If it wasn't for WOD I'd still be using Garmin watches (even with the watchOS 9 improvements).
That is odd. Please send the wkt file to info@workoutdoors.net and I will take a look. To do this tap the Export button 3 times quickly.
Apple surely understands that lack of offline maps is a huge gap. I bet they are working on fixing the issue.
When Apple releases offline maps, that will cut the number of new WOD customers down regardless of pricing. There are simply less people looking for a solution out there.
To me it seems that now is the right time for getting people onboard with a subscription: People may subscribe due to WOD being the only way of getting offline maps today, but they might fall in love with the numerous other features in WOD that Apple won't be adding. Thus WOD could now onboarding new customers at fast pace and get a chance of retaining them after Apple fixes their product gap.
Sustainable differentiation comes from features that are great for serious athletes, but bad for coach-to-5K target group: Apple needs to target their offering to widest possible group. With this, Apple needs to embrace simplicity in Training app simple. WOD stay attractive by keeping their focus on customizability. More advanced (or even complex) features, the better.
I hate subscription models in apps.
That would be a reason for me to ditch the app, as soon as possible.
Whereas an one time payment for special features or the download of maps of a whole continent for example, would be absolutely fine for me, if the price is reasonably.
That would be a reason for me to ditch the app, as soon as possible.
Whereas an one time payment for special features or the download of maps of a whole continent for example, would be absolutely fine for me, if the price is reasonably.
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I understand the discussion about a WOD subscription when it is about support for covering costs for maps etc.
But concerning speeding up delivery of new features, I doubt it would help much. @cfc is doing this amazing job alone. Scaling this to multiple developers is not easy.
But concerning speeding up delivery of new features, I doubt it would help much. @cfc is doing this amazing job alone. Scaling this to multiple developers is not easy.
I agree that Apple are almost certainly working on offline maps, but my hope is that even when they do offer them there will still be a market for WOD because of all the customisation options that the app offers. Apple like to keep things simple.
In this situation not having a subscription would be a benefit. I think that people wouldn't mind paying a one-off fee for something much more customisable than the native solution, but a subscription would probably be a hard sell.
If I was only in it for the money then I would probably go for a subscription now and make as much as possible before the app is Sherlocked to some degree. However that doesn't feel right, so I will continue to add the features that people request most and see what happens. It is probably not be the best approach from a financial point of view, but I am a coder rather than a businessman!
Yes, it has a surfing activity.
For walking the main advantage is a map on the watch as you walk, with a GPX route shown on top of the map if you upload one. However there are lots of other advantages like customisable screens, alerts etc.
If you don't need any of that (and many people don't) then you may as well stick with Apple's app.
That’s literally the point of in app purchases for specific features…