Apps WorkOutDoors: New workout features

[cfc]

I have another theory: could it be because readings from the HRM and from the AWU itself on the wrist are combined/merged?

I am connecting my Polar H10 HRM directly to WOD and have noticed that sometimes, after passing HealthKit, the heart rates in the workout become a combination of the readings of both the Polar H10 (via WOD) and my AWU (via Apple Health). This often is unnoticeable as the value measured are close. However, my AWU regularly starts measuring my HR erroneously at 180bpm in the first few hundred meters until it drops to a correct level (which is why I use the Polar H10 btw). On shorter runs, this becomes visible in the workout (and also blows up the average HR).
NB I have seen this strange 180bpm starting behaviour with my previous AW7 as well as with the AWU.

The Apple Watch does seem to keep recording heart rates from the watch sensor every few minutes (as opposed to every few seconds), just as it does for the rest of the day, so the two different sources could explain it. There is nothing the app can do about that though.

If you get these sort of problems then it is probably best to connect HR sensors via watchOS instead of directly to WOD.

 

[BrianGGG]

The Apple Watch does seem to keep recording heart rates from the watch sensor every few minutes (as opposed to every few seconds), just as it does for the rest of the day, so the two different sources could explain it. There is nothing the app can do about that though.

If you get these sort of problems then it is probably best to connect HR sensors via watchOS instead of directly to WOD.

Thanks all for continuing to discuss my issue.

I had the same thought about the Apple Watch interfering with my HRM.

I stopped connecting directly from WOD over the weekend. All three of my activities after that have normal heart rates, so the WOD direct sensor connection appears to be my problem. Which is unfortunate because this was much more convenient.

What I don’t understand is, the disruption to my workout is not every few minutes. It’s constant. This seems to be contrary to the theory that it’s the Apple Watch sensor because the intervals of interference would be considerably shorter.

Final note, I had smoothing turned on to a high amount of 6 for the HRM. today I was going to turn back to 1 to see if that is a contributor.

 

[cfc]

Thanks all for continuing to discuss my issue.

I had the same thought about the Apple Watch interfering with my HRM.

I stopped connecting directly from WOD over the weekend. All three of my activities after that have normal heart rates, so the WOD direct sensor connection appears to be my problem. Which is unfortunate because this was much more convenient.

What I don’t understand is, the disruption to my workout is not every few minutes. It’s constant. This seems to be contrary to the theory that it’s the Apple Watch sensor because the intervals of interference would be considerably shorter.

Final note, I had smoothing turned on to a high amount of 6 for the HRM. today I was going to turn back to 1 to see if that is a contributor.

It does seem strange, especially as no-one else is seeing it, but at least you have a workaround by connecting via watchOS.

 

[vapilot]

I had smoothing turned on to a high amount of 6 for the HRM. today I was going to turn back to 1 to see if that is a contributor.

Where do you do that? The sensors section? Also, how do choose the HRM in apple and not in the app?

 

[cfc]

Where do you do that? The sensors section? Also, how do choose the HRM in apple and not in the app?

Yes, the sensor values can be smoothed in the app's settings for that sensor.

To connect the HRM to watchOS go to Apple's Settings watch app and tap Bluetooth. Make sure that it is not paired to the app as well, or if it paired then make sure that it is not selected as the source for HR (instead select "watchOS").

 

[edgardiez7]

Hi, I don't know if this is a bug or it's unavoidable due to 3rd party interactions.
If I finish a workout on WorkOutdoors and select delete, Healthfit will still sync it to Strava and Training Peaks automatically, even if this workout will not show in the Health app.

Any ideas if I can solve this?

 

[cfc]

Hi, I don't know if this is a bug or it's unavoidable due to 3rd party interactions.
If I finish a workout on WorkOutdoors and select delete, Healthfit will still sync it to Strava and Training Peaks automatically, even if this workout will not show in the Health app.

Any ideas if I can solve this?

Unfortunately it is not possible to avoid this. The app saves the workout when you end it. You then have the option to discard it, but HealthFit is super-efficient and has done it's job before you discard.

In the past the app did not save the workout until you pressed Done on the summary screen. However people often forgot to press done, and the workout would never be saved, so I changed that and don't want to change it back (even as an option). Sorry about that.

 

[edgardiez7]

Yup, about what I thought, thanks

 

[kplunk]

Hi. Sorry to be a pain if it has been asked recently (it's difficult to review 185 pages of messages!) but what's the outlook for navigation features for Hikers? I know it's on your list, but being utterly selfish I have 4 distance hikes planned this year and I'd like to leave my Fenix behind. Maybe to include standard nav features (no turn-by-turn), examples inc. distance remaining (on a .gpx import), ETA, ETC and the like. Keep up the good work, I love the app and now on the Ultra Watch the hardware is there! Thanks

 

[cfc]

Hi. Sorry to be a pain if it has been asked recently (it's difficult to review 185 pages of messages!) but what's the outlook for navigation features for Hikers? I know it's on your list, but being utterly selfish I have 4 distance hikes planned this year and I'd like to leave my Fenix behind. Maybe to include standard nav features (no turn-by-turn), examples inc. distance remaining (on a .gpx import), ETA, ETC and the like. Keep up the good work, I love the app and now on the Ultra Watch the hardware is there! Thanks

Navigation features are joint top of my list for the next version, along with the always on display. I like to have a couple of features to switch between in case I get bored of one.

However I am deep into the always on display rewrite at the moment, and it is going well, so I may release a version with just that and then start on the navigation stuff afterwards. The AOD rewrite will probably take another month or so plus a lot of testing, so the navigation features probably won't be included for a while. Sorry.

 

[IN_FOR_SIN]

Hi, love the app but just have a couple of queries that I'm struggling to find answers on please. (1) I periodically get a red "X" next to the time on the map screen. Am I right in thinking that this is indicating there is no cellular connection or does it mean something else? (2) post run my AWU doesn't seem to automatically upload to Strava (I thought it used to on my previous AW4). When I manually try to upload it from the watch I receive the following "Error: No Strava Login". Am I doing something wrong and is there a way to link Strava from the watch - it uploads from the iphone just fine so no major issue. (3) I thought I recalled a previous option to include the apple music player on the screen list but I can't seem to find this option anywhere. Did I make this up or am i just overlooking this option somewhere. Thanks in advance

 

[cfc]

Hi, love the app but just have a couple of queries that I'm struggling to find answers on please. (1) I periodically get a red "X" next to the time on the map screen. Am I right in thinking that this is indicating there is no cellular connection or does it mean something else? (2) post run my AWU doesn't seem to automatically upload to Strava (I thought it used to on my previous AW4). When I manually try to upload it from the watch I receive the following "Error: No Strava Login". Am I doing something wrong and is there a way to link Strava from the watch - it uploads from the iphone just fine so no major issue. (3) I thought I recalled a previous option to include the apple music player on the screen list but I can't seem to find this option anywhere. Did I make this up or am i just overlooking this option somewhere. Thanks in advance

1) I don't know what a red cross next to the time indicates. Can you post a screenshot?

2) You probably haven't re-sent your settings from the phone app to the watch after getting a new watch. To resend the Strava details go to the Settings tab on the iPhone app and tap Export Options. Then disable Automatic Strava Export and then re-enable it. That should send the Strava details to the new watch.

3) You cannot configure the Now Playing screen as a screen. However you can configure the app to show it in response to a gesture. To do this go to the Settings and tap "Commands" and then "Shortcuts". This will show a list of gestures such as swiping, tapping multiple times or using both side buttons at once. Tap the gesture that you want to display the Now Playing screen and a list of operations will appear. Choose "Show Now Playing" and the music controls will appear whenever you perform that gesture.

 

[IN_FOR_SIN]

1) I don't know what a red cross next to the time indicates. Can you post a screenshot?

2) You probably haven't re-sent your settings from the phone app to the watch after getting a new watch. To resend the Strava details go to the Settings tab on the iPhone app and tap Export Options. Then disable Automatic Strava Export and then re-enable it. That should send the Strava details to the new watch.

3) You cannot configure the Now Playing screen as a screen. However you can configure the app to show it in response to a gesture. To do this go to the Settings and tap "Commands" and then "Shortcuts". This will show a list of gestures such as swiping, tapping multiple times or using both side buttons at once. Tap the gesture that you want to display the Now Playing screen and a list of operations will appear. Choose "Show Now Playing" and the music controls will appear whenever you perform that gesture.

Amazing response for an amazing app - thank you. I will come back to you with a screen shot on the red cross asap. 👍

 

[super.sjimmie]

Yes, the sensor values can be smoothed in the app's settings for that sensor.

To connect the HRM to watchOS go to Apple's Settings watch app and tap Bluetooth. Make sure that it is not paired to the app as well, or if it paired then make sure that it is not selected as the source for HR (instead select "watchOS").

I have the same symptom with a BT HR band connected to the Watch(OS). I call it a symptom because I don't see it as an issue.

 

[kitenski]

It does seem strange, especially as no-one else is seeing it, but at least you have a workaround by connecting via watchOS.

I think I saw this as well as my AW was reading 120+ BPM as the Polar was reading 100 so had all these random spikes. Once I connected via bluetooth settings on the watch it seemed to turn off the AW doing HR readings.

 

[BrianGGG]

I think I saw this as well as my AW was reading 120+ BPM as the Polar was reading 100 so had all these random spikes. Once I connected via bluetooth settings on the watch it seemed to turn off the AW doing HR readings.

I agree that in my limited experiment I did not see the spiking problem when connected via bluetooth on the watch rather than thru the Sensor capabilities of WOD.

I'll also say that I have finished two runs and a walk with smoothing set to 1 instead of 6. I have finished two runs with smoothing at 1 and I have not seen the spiking problem. So far, all of my problems would have been when the device smoothing was set to 6.

Not sure if this is coincidence, semi-related, etc. I just thought I'd pass it along. I'll report back if I start seeing the spike problem with the low smoothing value.

 

[Mauki]

I have 4 distance hikes planned this year and I'd like to leave my Fenix behind. Maybe to include standard nav features (no turn-by-turn), examples inc. distance remaining (on a .gpx import), ETA, ETC and the like.

In May I run a 58k Ultra and I need ETA, remaining distance and remaining distance too.

I hope @cfc will have the next version out there but I think I must take my Fenix on the other arm with me 😔

I hope nobody will ask me, why I wear an Apple Watch and need another Watch too. Sounds they will laughing about me. 😪

 

[super.sjimmie]

I'd like to transfer all stored Activities from my old iPhone to my new iPhone. (I cannot backup/restore the phones)
I managed to export/import the settings and the screens, but how can I transfer all Activities?

 

[cfc]

I'd like to transfer all stored Activities from my old iPhone to my new iPhone. (I cannot backup/restore the phones)
I managed to export/import the settings and the screens, but how can I transfer all Activities?

The best way to transfer all the data is to use Apple's File Sharing system to copy the files from the old phone to a computer and then from the computer to the new phone (after installing the app on the new phone):

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201301 (Windows)
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210598 (MacOS)

 

[super.sjimmie]

The best way to transfer all the data is to use Apple's File Sharing system to copy the files from the old phone to a computer and then from the computer to the new phone (after installing the app on the new phone):

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201301 (Windows)
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210598 (MacOS)

The "target" iPhone is locked by a company policy, that does not allow an iTunes connection.
But the link that you gave also suggests to use iCloud instead of the File Tranfer through iTunes.

However, which files should I copy for the Activities?

 

[IN_FOR_SIN]

Amazing response for an amazing app - thank you. I will come back to you with a screen shot on the red cross asap. 👍

1) I don't know what a red cross next to the time indicates. Can you post a screenshot?

2) You probably haven't re-sent your settings from the phone app to the watch after getting a new watch. To resend the Strava details go to the Settings tab on the iPhone app and tap Export Options. Then disable Automatic Strava Export and then re-enable it. That should send the Strava details to the new watch.

3) You cannot configure the Now Playing screen as a screen. However you can configure the app to show it in response to a gesture. To do this go to the Settings and tap "Commands" and then "Shortcuts". This will show a list of gestures such as swiping, tapping multiple times or using both side buttons at once. Tap the gesture that you want to display the Now Playing screen and a list of operations will appear. Choose "Show Now Playing" and the music controls will appear whenever you perform that gesture.

As advised, re-syncing the phone and watch Strava settings worked - thank you.

The is a screen shot with the red cross next to the time I was referring to. From memory this area normally shows the symbol relevant to the focus mode I am in (I think) but the red cross appears intermittently and I’m thinking it’s when the cellular connection is lost but would welcome your thoughts 👍

 

[LeTraKeuR]

Hi at all,
Do you know why Strava sync the level up and its not the same than the WOD?
Strava automatically correct the up and this morning its less than the WOD 😂😂
Thanks

 

[PeterLarsson]

AWU in combinaion with WorkOutDoors made me leave Garmin after many years. Have quite a flawless experince indoors with Stryd (treadmill) and Polar H10.

Now to the challenge, When running outdoors during winters I if course have a jacket and gloves and the AWU constantly locks and every time you want to check something you need to put in passcode. Very inconvinient. I know this is security related from Apple but there must be a solution fot this. Or is my only option to turn off wrist detection every time when running or walking and then turn on after the exercise is completed? This is actually a bit of a game changer if so. Hope you guys have a better way of handling this issue?

Thanks!

 

[Koma66]

AWU in combinaion with WorkOutDoors made me leave Garmin after many years. Have quite a flawless experince indoors with Stryd (treadmill) and Polar H10.

Now to the challenge, When running outdoors during winters I if course have a jacket and gloves and the AWU constantly locks and every time you want to check something you need to put in passcode. Very inconvinient. I know this is security related from Apple but there must be a solution fot this. Or is my only option to turn off wrist detection every time when running or walking and then turn on after the exercise is completed? This is actually a bit of a game changer if so. Hope you guys have a better way of handling this issue?

Thanks!

Hey ! Came across the same "issue" and my solution so far is just to wear the AWU under my jacket and even second layer and use the action button to give me a status update with the parameters I want (distance / ascend / Bpm / pace). On top of that I also use the regular update option (status update every Km) so I can still got all the infos I want even without checking the watch but off course it works only if you use headphones... which I almost always do.. main advantage of this setting is that it forces you to learn and feel your pace so you don't need to check the AWU too often

 

[Mauki]

@PeterLarsson
@Koma66
What is the problem in winter? I have the Ultra between jacket and gloves.
Works fine 💪