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Apps WorkOutDoors: New workout features
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As far as I know it is not possible for a third party app to see interval schedules created in Apple's Health system by other third party apps. Only Apple's native Workout app can see them.
So importing schedules into WOD will only be possible via a file (probably a FIT file).
As far as I know this is correct. I asked an Apple engineer about it during a call at last year's WWDC and he confirmed that this was the case (at the time).
He definitely knew what he was talking about because he presented Apple's WWDC video on the feature!
I haven't really thought about that yet. I will probably implement FIT and then see how many requests I get for other formats and decide based on that.
Usually those sort of differences are caused by air pressure issues. The app uses the barometer by default and this can be affected by weather. That usually results in a smoother difference (e.g. the slope looks steeper on one side than the other) but windy conditions can also cause small dips and peaks.
Also did you maybe go indoors on the hill, or were you using a case on the watch, which can cause issues with the air pressure sensor?
The app just uses the values supplied by the barometer, so it's impossible to know what caused the asymmetry. You may find that enabling the always on altimeter (Settings / Other Settings) helps, but be aware that can jump at times for some reason (presumably watchOS recalibrating), which is why it is not the default.
Hey cfc, how are you today ?
I’m glad to show you my new video for your app on my YouTube channel.
It’s in French, but my viewers seem to like it.
TUTO #1 WorkOutDoors Openrunner GPX.studio
I’m glad to show you my new video for your app on my YouTube channel.
It’s in French, but my viewers seem to like it.
TUTO #1 WorkOutDoors Openrunner GPX.studio
That's great! Many thanks for mentioning the app. I had a quick play with GPX Studio after seeing your video and it looks very good.
Do you know if it can supply turn by turn directions? I couldn't see how in my quick test but if it does then I will make sure that the app will support them.
Turn by turn is on the way but I don't have any plans to translate the app yet. Sorry about that.
An other idea for you.
Enable always on display on watch only when we use WOD.
I don’t use AoD the day, but for WOD it’s better.
I made a shortcut a little tricky and here is my explain :
when I use WOD I set my concentration in « sport »
1/ Enable AoD
Create a shortcut #1 « sport »
2/ Desable AoD
Create a shortcut #2 « Desable AoD »
Create an automation
Then when you desable sport’s concentration, the Apple Watch syncing and desable always on display to.
One more thing :
Select the shortcut on Apple Watch Ultra button
Enable always on display on watch only when we use WOD.
I don’t use AoD the day, but for WOD it’s better.
I made a shortcut a little tricky and here is my explain :
when I use WOD I set my concentration in « sport »
1/ Enable AoD
Create a shortcut #1 « sport »
2/ Desable AoD
Create a shortcut #2 « Desable AoD »
Create an automation
Then when you desable sport’s concentration, the Apple Watch syncing and desable always on display to.
One more thing :
Select the shortcut on Apple Watch Ultra button
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Thanks for that shortcut. Unfortunately the app cannot use the always on display if it is disabled in watchOS, so that is very useful.
Hi, I just came across this thread.
What are the Apple Watch gps sampling rates while using workout app, specifically cycling?
the below is Trailforks and it’s settings options, I’d like to know Apple Watch settings
What are the Apple Watch gps sampling rates while using workout app, specifically cycling?
the below is Trailforks and it’s settings options, I’d like to know Apple Watch settings
In my experience the "CoreLocation" framework which iOS and watchOS provide to developers gives location updates every 1 second.Hi, I just came across this thread.
What are the Apple Watch gps sampling rates while using workout app, specifically cycling?
the below is Trailforks and it’s settings options, I’d like to know Apple Watch settings
This can be affected by a few parameters which the app can set, such as the desired accuracy and the "distance filter" (how far the user should move in order for a location to be reported to the app). However if the app asks for the best accuracy and doesn't set a filter then it will receive updates every second.
That is what happens with WOD and as far as I know it is the same with other apps.
If the AWU2 is sampling every second, is there some known reason why it’s less accurate than the iPhone 14 Pro?
I use both when biking, the watch on left wrist face top of wrist, the iPhone mounted to Thule bike mount center.
Made comparison info;
I use both when biking, the watch on left wrist face top of wrist, the iPhone mounted to Thule bike mount center.
Made comparison info;
GPS locations are received every second in WorkOutDoors but I can't speak for what other apps are doing. They may be requesting lower accuracy or using a distance filter to save battery.
Please note that GPS is not a good way to measure distance on a very twisty route. GPS is inherently inaccurate so apps need to smooth out the inaccuracies. This works fine in most circumstances but can be inconsistent on very twisty routes.
The only way to get a truly accurate distance on routes like yours is to use a wheel sensor that counts rotations and has a correctly entered tyre diameter/circumference. WorkOutDoors will connect to such sensors. Otherwise the app allows you to use the distances supplied by watchOS (which is the default and what Apple's Workout app uses) or you can use GPS (which may be what TrailForks are using but I can't say).
I assume that watchOS also uses GPS but has a different smoothing algorithm to TrailForks. In 99% of routes this will make no difference, but on a very twisty route it can make a big difference. It is probably impossible to know which app is correct without using a wheel sensor to check.
You use 2 different apps to compare gps precision.
It’s not valid …
Apple workout app does a lot of location smoothing /filtering to show nicer and lighter routes.
For running, gps is not very calculate speed and distance, it’s better to rely on Apple calibrated runningDistance and runningSpeed HealthKit values which mixes pedometer and GPS
What gives you the impression the phone is more accurate? The watch has dual-band GPS which the phone does not. How have you verified that one is accurate and one is not? In my experience, at least with running, the Apple Watch (all of them) is more accurate than the phones. My Ultra 2 using WOD hits right on the timing mats on certified running courses all the way up to the final mile on a half-marathon. When running in the neighborhood I'll sometimes make a point to randomly zigzig from one side to the road in sync with telephone poles or manholes just to see how accurate the track is after the run and it's dead on.
Seems iPhone 14 Pro has a better GPS chipset than previous models:
Exploring Whether Dual-Frequency GPS on the iPhone 14 Pro Makes a Meaningful Difference to Real-World Navigation | AppleVis
The marquee features of thee iPhone 14 Pro and iPhone 14 Pro Max are unquestionably upgraded cameras; a new always-on display; and a Dynamic Island’ that changes size and shape to accommodate various types of alerts, notifications, and interactions. For my circumstances and use case, I can...
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Sorry - I have no idea at the moment. My current focus is improved navigation because that is the most requested feature. After that custom activity types is the most popular request and then interval improvements. Unfortunately intervals are usually only requested by runners, whereas the other features are useful for multiple activity types and therefore more in demand.
However the interval improvements will be a lot less work than custom activity types, so I may do them first if I don't have the time to code custom activity types when the time comes.
One thing I've just noticed having come back to Workoutdoors after a long time away (due to not having an Apple) is on all the screenshots on http://www.workoutdoors.net/, I see the metric units displayed "UNDER" the data, but my experience is the metric unit is displayed alongside the data, and sometimes disappears/reappears depending on the width of the numbers if I watch the time counting up for example (where the font size itself SEEMS to change too).
Is this a config item I've missed, as I'd really like the metric unit displayed static under the data if possible!!
(UW2)
Is this a config item I've missed, as I'd really like the metric unit displayed static under the data if possible!!
(UW2)
The units are shown under the data unless the field is short and wide, in which case it is shown after the data, because this better fits the aspect ratio of the field. It has always been like this.
The font size has been variable since the rewrite last year. However that will change in the next version, where it will stay the same size if the number of characters is the same, but may change if the data gets longer. So for example the time field font size may change when going from 59:59 to 1:00:00.