Apps WorkOutDoors: New workout features

[cfc]

I wonder what it is. The remove permissions, reset both devices, add permissions does seem to fix it, at least this time. I would argue that it's not really random though as it's only WOD that is having an issue so I would guess there is some bug that is being triggered either by WOD or by my specific devices configs and settings since it's so repeatable. Hoping the PB of 14.2 drops soon and that it fixes this though. I adore WOD so not being able to use it is killing me this past week.

I am glad that fixed it. Maybe it is the long standing rare bug in watchOS 6 that has somehow become more common in watchOS 7. It's good to know there is a fix that is not too drastic.

There is nothing that WOD could be doing that is different to any other app. It just asks to get the heart rate and watchOS/iOS do the rest in terms of permissions. That is by design by Apple - they control the permissions for obvious privacy reasons.

Hopefully this fix will be more permanent than the last one. As far as I know it was a permanent fix for the rare bug in watchOS 6, but I think I only ever saw that 2 or 3 times so I don't know for sure.

 

[numberfour]

Hey cfc,

Sorry if this has been asked before, but is there any chance you will add a more fitting complication to the corners of the watch faces for series 4 and up? It sticks out a bit at the moment.

Thanks

 

[cfc]

Hey cfc,

Sorry if this has been asked before, but is there any chance you will add a more fitting complication to the corners of the watch faces for series 4 and up? It sticks out a bit at the moment.

Thanks

No-one else has asked for this but I can see exactly what you mean from the screenshot. Unfortunately my graphic design skills are limited but I will see what I can do!

 

[numberfour]

No-one else has asked for this but I can see exactly what you mean from the screenshot. Unfortunately my graphic design skills are limited but I will see what I can do!

That would be lovely. Thanks for replying and looking into it

 

[stridemat]

@cfc - thanks for all your ongoing work on this app. Still my favourite app and can’t wait for the Stryd support.

I am having an issue where workouts are being recorded on the watch, they appear in the activity app on the iPhone, but do not appear in the WorkOutDoors iPhone app for quite some time. They randomly appear at an undetermined time in the future. Any ideas?

This means I can’t upload to Strava and get all that kudos love until much later

 

[andrewstirling]

I have to have my watch app open when my phone is nearby. Also... as a workaround you can upload directly to strava from the watch now.

 

[cfc]

@cfc - thanks for all your ongoing work on this app. Still my favourite app and can’t wait for the Stryd support.

I am having an issue where workouts are being recorded on the watch, they appear in the activity app on the iPhone, but do not appear in the WorkOutDoors iPhone app for quite some time. They randomly appear at an undetermined time in the future. Any ideas?

This means I can’t upload to Strava and get all that kudos love until much later

Sorry that the transfer of the workouts can take a while. The app asks watchOS / iOS to send the file and it does the rest. It is usually instant but sometimes they seem to wait until they feel in the mood to transfer the file.

It is worth rebooting both the phone and the watch to see if that helps, and as Andrew says, you can upload to Strava from the watch if necessary. To do this select the workout in the Workout History and then press hard (or long) and tap Upload to Strava. This menu also has a Resend to iPhone option which may transfer the file, depending on the reason for why the workout wasn’t automatically transferred.

 

[strangedesign13]

I am glad that fixed it. Maybe it is the long standing rare bug in watchOS 6 that has somehow become more common in watchOS 7. It's good to know there is a fix that is not too drastic.

There is nothing that WOD could be doing that is different to any other app. It just asks to get the heart rate and watchOS/iOS do the rest in terms of permissions. That is by design by Apple - they control the permissions for obvious privacy reasons.

Hopefully this fix will be more permanent than the last one. As far as I know it was a permanent fix for the rare bug in watchOS 6, but I think I only ever saw that 2 or 3 times so I don't know for sure.

Sorry I wasn't insinuating that WOD was to blame, just that whatever was happening was not random as it was very repeatable. Either way, my last attempt to repair seems to have worked. I did it on iOS 14 and even after an upgrade to 14.2 it's still working. Thanks for the help and patience.

 

[NME42]

Sorry to interrupt here for a moment.


As I know that a lot of folks here follow a cumbersome procedure to disconnect their iPhone from their Apple Watch to ensure that GPS data is taken from the AW instead of the iPhone, let's all do a feature request with Apple. I just submitted mine asking for a configuration toggle in the watch config to select "GPS from AW only" vs. "GPS from iPhone when available". This would help getting rid of this ugly procedure and allow for connecting bluetooth headphones to an iPhone when being carried during a run. And also improves GPS track quality.

Would be great if you all join in and submit a feature request here:

Feedback - Watch

Apple wants to hear from you. Send us your comments and feedback about Apple Watch.

www.apple.com

Not a big chance that Apple will do something, but let's try.

 

[mindquest]

Question about heart rate zones.

Settings => Heart Zones => Range

"Minimum Heart Rate" states "Usually 0 or your resting heart rate"

Leaving "Minimum Heart Rate" at 0 gives me a much different BPM for the 5 zones. When I put in my resting heart rate from the AW6 the bpm go way up for each zone.

Trying to understand if 0 or my resting heart rate entered into "Minimum Heart Rate" will give me the most accurate ranges for the 5 zones.

Any clarification on this would be appreciated.

 

[cfc]

Sorry I wasn't insinuating that WOD was to blame, just that whatever was happening was not random as it was very repeatable. Either way, my last attempt to repair seems to have worked. I did it on iOS 14 and even after an upgrade to 14.2 it's still working. Thanks for the help and patience.

No worries! Glad that re-pairing has fixed the issues. It seems that a lot of the iOS 14 / watchOS 7 issues are fixed by unpairing and re-pairing. I don't usually suggest it unless as a last resort, because it is a hassle, but it does seem to be the only solution for this year's Apple bugs.

 

[cfc]

Sorry to interrupt here for a moment.

As I know that a lot of folks here follow a cumbersome procedure to disconnect their iPhone from their Apple Watch to ensure that GPS data is taken from the AW instead of the iPhone, let's all do a feature request with Apple. I just submitted mine asking for a configuration toggle in the watch config to select "GPS from AW only" vs. "GPS from iPhone when available". This would help getting rid of this ugly procedure and allow for connecting bluetooth headphones to an iPhone when being carried during a run. And also improves GPS track quality.

Would be great if you all join in and submit a feature request here:

Feedback - Watch

Apple wants to hear from you. Send us your comments and feedback about Apple Watch.

www.apple.com

Not a big chance that Apple will do something, but let's try.

This is a great idea. I think you are right that Apple won't do anything, but it is worth a try.

 

[NME42]

I am still hesitant about this repairing procedure and hope for a watchOS/iOS fix next week.
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This is a great idea. I think you are right that Apple won't do anything, but it is worth a try.

Would also love to set this on a per app basis.

 

[cfc]

Question about heart rate zones.

Settings => Heart Zones => Range

"Minimum Heart Rate" states "Usually 0 or your resting heart rate"

Leaving "Minimum Heart Rate" at 0 gives me a much different BPM for the 5 zones. When I put in my resting heart rate from the AW6 the bpm go way up for each zone.

Trying to understand if 0 or my resting heart rate entered into "Minimum Heart Rate" will give me the most accurate ranges for the 5 zones.

Any clarification on this would be appreciated.

There are no correct ranges for zones. It depends on the training system that you are following. Some systems use 0 and some systems use a low limit like your resting heart rate. Some systems only use 3 zones whereas others use 4 or 5. This is why the app allows you to configure the zones as you wish. Even the names of the zones (aerobic, anaerobic etc) are just arbitrary guides.

 

[cfc]

I am still hesitant about this repairing procedure and hope for a watchOS/iOS fix next week.
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Would also love to set this on a per app basis.

Agree on both points.

 

[mindquest]

There are no correct ranges for zones. It depends on the training system that you are following. Some systems use 0 and some systems use a low limit like your resting heart rate. Some systems only use 3 zones whereas others use 4 or 5. This is why the app allows you to configure the zones as you wish. Even the names of the zones (aerobic, anaerobic etc) are just arbitrary guides.

Thanks for the reply! Sadly it makes it even more confusing for me which one to choose.

Being 50 and just getting back into shape would you suggest using the 0 or resting heart rate as a base?

What is everyone else using that is tracking heart rate zones?

 

[deeddawg]

Being 50 and just getting back into shape would you suggest using the 0 or resting heart rate as a base?

Depends on whether the Zone type you're using just works from a % of HRmax (such as the one mentioned on this REI page) or whether you're using something that scales from resting-HR to HRmax such as the Karvonen method a/k/a Heart Rate Reserve.

Personally, I think the Karvonen method is the better one since it better accounts for your actual HR range.

In any event, the trick is figuring out your realistic maximum heartrate. Formulas just say what a statistical average HRmax is for whatever input parameters are given. If the method doesn't invove a bunch of sweat, the resulting HRmax number likely isn't specific to you as an individual.

 

[pmxams]

Quick question as every since I reinstall my watch I am facing a problem.

I always run with my watch only (no iPhone) and listening to music.

On WOD I have voice alerts every lap but in the past the alerts were spoken over the music (i.e. music volume would just be lowered during the speaking of the alert) and since the reinstall of the watch the music is paused, the alerts are spoken and the music is resumed (99% of the time).

I tried with mapmyrun and there the alerts are still being spoken over the music. Is there any settings that I am missing?

 

[cfc]

Quick question as every since I reinstall my watch I am facing a problem.

I always run with my watch only (no iPhone) and listening to music.

On WOD I have voice alerts every lap but in the past the alerts were spoken over the music (i.e. music volume would just be lowered during the speaking of the alert) and since the reinstall of the watch the music is paused, the alerts are spoken and the music is resumed (99% of the time).

I tried with mapmyrun and there the alerts are still being spoken over the music. Is there any settings that I am missing?

Are you using the same music app as before? Maybe a new version of that app? The interaction between the apps is controlled by watchOS according to settings specified by the apps, so if you are using the same version of WOD then it should do the same thing.

Also note that watchOS does different things for spoken audio such as podcasts than it does for music. Music is just quietened but spoken audio is paused so that you do not miss anything.

 

[pmxams]

Are you using the same music app as before? Maybe a new version of that app? The interaction between the apps is controlled by watchOS according to settings specified by the apps, so if you are using the same version of WOD then it should do the same thing.

Also note that watchOS does different things for spoken audio such as podcasts than it does for music. Music is just quietened but spoken audio is paused so that you do not miss anything.

thanks for the quick reply.

I am using the standard music app from apple either now or before. I can try to reinstall WOD to see if it changes the behaviour. But it is strange.

 

[cfc]

thanks for the quick reply.

I am using the standard music app from apple either now or before. I can try to reinstall WOD to see if it changes the behaviour. But it is strange.

I guess it could be a watchOS 7 issue, although no-one else has mentioned it yet.

 

[andrewstirling]

Looking for a bit of help. I like running with fairly minimal distractions and had everything set up perfectly on my Apple Watch series 4. Ever since upgrading to my series 6, I’m getting frequent pace notifications playing through my headphones. I’ve trawled through all the settings on the watch but can’t see anything enabled which would cause this. I only gave heart rate zone notifications enabled and specific interval notifications. Any ideas?

 

[cfc]

Looking for a bit of help. I like running with fairly minimal distractions and had everything set up perfectly on my Apple Watch series 4. Ever since upgrading to my series 6, I’m getting frequent pace notifications playing through my headphones. I’ve trawled through all the settings on the watch but can’t see anything enabled which would cause this. I only gave heart rate zone notifications enabled and specific interval notifications. Any ideas?

To check the alerts touch the watch screen for a second until the menu appears and then tap Settings then Alerts. Then tap the activity (e.g. Running) and then look at the minimum and maximum pace and speed alerts to see if any are enabled.

If they are not enabled then are you maybe running an interval schedule with a pace target?

Also what do the alerts say? Do they mention the pace being too high or too low, or are they just stating the pace?

 

[pmxams]

I guess it could be a watchOS 7 issue, although no-one else has mentioned it yet.

Well... problem solved. Uninstall and install WOD solved the issue

Another quick question, what does means the GPS Dist in this workout page

 

[andrewstirling]

To check the alerts touch the watch screen for a second until the menu appears and then tap Settings then Alerts. Then tap the activity (e.g. Running) and then look at the minimum and maximum pace and speed alerts to see if any are enabled.

If they are not enabled then are you maybe running an interval schedule with a pace target?

Also what do the alerts say? Do they mention the pace being too high or too low, or are they just stating the pace?

So...the alerts are definitely disabled. I only have heart rate zones and distance alerts enabled. I do have a maximum and minimum pace set for my intervals but I only want my pace read out on the interval alerts I set.

At present, it kinda just chatters in my ear constantly. I get slow pace notifications, fast pace notifications and pretty constant reassurances that I’m within my target pace. Today it was talking so much it was interrupting the countdown for the interval ending.

By the way....this is an incredible app. I’d just like it to work how it did before I upgraded my watch!

Only new feature I’d like added is a voice workout summary at the end of the run.