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Would any of you switch to HP Z1 over new iMac refresh?
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The Z1 is hardly a brilliant idea but I hope they have some success with it.
It sort of like my 1990 Apple LC with a LED screen hooked to the bottom on a upright stand. It was my favorite Mac!
It sort of like my 1990 Apple LC with a LED screen hooked to the bottom on a upright stand. It was my favorite Mac!
Streaming Netflix to a 40 inch tv or larger is better on a pc.
Hands down no comparison .
In order to get the best picture quality on a mac you need to run bootcamp windows 7 why because netflix runs silverlight which run better in windows then snow or lion(silverlight is a microsoft program). Now since I want a 40 inch tv or larger the only mac that will do this correctly is a mac pro with a hd 5870 gpu card (or a flashed hd6870). it will run at 200 plus watts to do it. I have a pc that I built with an I5-2500t cpu and a hd6870 graphics card. my machine runs at 50 watts, my machine cost me under 700 to build a mac pro is 2.5k . so I am 1800 dollars ahead and I spend 150 watts less so every 6 or 7 hours of netflix I save a kilowatt of juice I save 20 kilowatts a month or 6 bucks 72 a year in power. This is also true with bluray.
So that is 2 ways that pcs are better then macs . watching a blu ray disc or streaming netflix. Now apple is rumored to be coming out with a 40 or 46 inch smart tv. If that happens then they will be greatly improved in the weakest area of in home macs (Hi quality htpc)
Ah... well, that's what apple tv is for.
I guess that's why I never realized any deficiencies in my iMac
I guess that's why I never realized any deficiencies in my iMac
It's not "bigotry". It's experience. I spent 2 hours this weekend chasing down a random problem on my dad's Windows laptop. I never have to do anything like that on Macs. Ease of administration outweighs all other concerns for me.
It's really nice, I would think about it for my office computer. I'm the only one with a mac at the office. I run the rest of my company on windows. I was going to switch my whole office to the mac, but they have no road map and it seems like they are quickly giving up on the server side of their business and the desktop is not getting the kind of attention I want to see. So i just built a new ESXI server and recommitted to windows at my office.
I really wish I could have gone Mac across the board, but Apple is clueless in the enterprise from the server side.
So yea, that is a sweet desktop and it's open... O yea! I remember when OSX was open, that was ummm the reason i first jumped in.
When will we be jailbreaking our desktops? Probably in 10.9 or 11. They are going to chase us out
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Maybe the 2012 iMac will be totally incompatible with any 3rd party memory or HD and be sealed with super glue and set of an alarm if we try to open it that sends the Apple police into our home?
Don't forget gaming. PC/Windows are better for gaming hands down.
Don't get me wrong I HATE Windoes, but even I recognize that truth.
Ah... well, that's what apple tv is for.
I guess that's why I never realized any deficiencies in my iMac
what would you use for a remote apple tv will use an ipad or iphone pretty well lets see what does an iphone cost or an ipad. also apple tv is pretty much a captive device a pc like what I built is pretty much unlocked as to what I can use. Right now for my ht I have a mac mini and the pc I built cost was mini 600 pc 700.
1300 total. this is the cheapest way to get the best of all worlds.
This is true, but it doesn't need to be this way. Someone just needs to put enough money into OpenGL hardware acceleration.
HP Z1 its a nice machine but the OS(windows 7) is ****** (registry,same filesystem as windows 95).
If I was to get a PC, it would not be that one. It is overpriced and ugly.
I'm a dinosaur - started writing code on a Qantel "mini" computer with giant screw in 10mb removable drives. Read EBCDIC data from mag tape drives and converted it to ASCII. Started PC development with an IBM which cost $10,500 with a 10mb hard drive, CGA display, and MS DOS. My other PC was an AT&T with 2 floppy drives only. Bough a 386 tower and ran SCO UNIX instead of Windows, for writing C Code. Bought a Mac for personal use in 1993 and have been using Macs at home ever since.
You can get much more bang for your buck with a PC tower. Not so with the Mac Pro tower. I had one until 2009. It was way too big. Would not fit on a tower stand under the desk. Just a bad design by Apple. I've been using a Mac Mini ever since with an HP monitor. I'd like a new iMac whenever they arrive.
I'm a dinosaur - started writing code on a Qantel "mini" computer with giant screw in 10mb removable drives. Read EBCDIC data from mag tape drives and converted it to ASCII. Started PC development with an IBM which cost $10,500 with a 10mb hard drive, CGA display, and MS DOS. My other PC was an AT&T with 2 floppy drives only. Bough a 386 tower and ran SCO UNIX instead of Windows, for writing C Code. Bought a Mac for personal use in 1993 and have been using Macs at home ever since.
You can get much more bang for your buck with a PC tower. Not so with the Mac Pro tower. I had one until 2009. It was way too big. Would not fit on a tower stand under the desk. Just a bad design by Apple. I've been using a Mac Mini ever since with an HP monitor. I'd like a new iMac whenever they arrive.
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I might be wrong.
On the other hand, I can read. Whereas you clearly can't, or won't.
I said "Anyone who thinks a Mac is better than a Windows PC in every respect..."
Your argument about supportability is only part of the story. Important to you clearly, less so to others.
If you absolutlely need to run Sopcast for example, then a Mac is pretty useless.
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As a point of order, the above statement is factually incorrect. Windows 7 uses the NTFS file system (which is perfectly performant and robust). Windows 95 used the much more flaky FAT (FAT16 or FAT32) file system.
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Off the top of my head:
Gaming
Hardware support (vast selection of components vs quite restricted with Apple)
Hardware upgradability
Software catalogue (huge number of apps are Windows only)
OS flexibility e.g. how do you change the *system* font size in OSX? Not just for an app.
Price - Apple charge ludicrous amounts for things like SSD
I could go on.
I am not saying that *overall* Windows is better. But to suggest that OSX is better in every single respect is ridiculous.
Amen brother. Something I realized after the defensive responses to a few of my Windows-negative posts was that many of the people here are a decade or two younger than I am. The only windows they know is Windows 7, Vista, or maybe XP. I cut my teeth on DOS and Windows 3.1, then rolled the hype wave and over-bloated expectations of Windows 95, 98, NT, and 2000. Windows never really delivered until XP, in my opinion. I have to endure Windows at work, but for my personal use, I'll stay Mac from now on.
Eh well as another I.T. old-timer I have to say that Windows 7 is the first Microsoft OS I don't actively hate. I am a Unix admin, Linux expert and I use Ubuntu on my cheap, old laptop that I still keep because it works great and isn't worth getting rid of.
If I'm spending my own money I'd prefer Mac. For actually getting stuff done I don't think Linux is there yet but as a geek I still love it.
At work I use Windows 7 and I'm just fine with it.
If I'm spending my own money I'd prefer Mac. For actually getting stuff done I don't think Linux is there yet but as a geek I still love it.
At work I use Windows 7 and I'm just fine with it.
Put an SSD in it. Not easy but not impossible. I put a OCZ Vertex 2 in my 2009 i5 and it's like a new machine. I managed to squeeze it in without disconnecting the LCD cables (just propped it up and used very short screw drivers).
+1 to the material and quality of Apple finish build, you cannot find any other manufacturer equivalent.
Alas it is not so much that she is slow, it is a matter of graphics quality. If it were just a matter of game screens loading faster I would do that in a heartbeat!
Hardware wise. The HP Z1 totally owns a imac. No comparison to be made. One is a workstation the other a consumer desktop.
The engineering on a imac is amazing also. But more so on the HP. You can upgrade every aspect of the machine to your liking.
The screen is actually better than the imacs. Same resolution yes. But it's a better quality screen. The screen alone costs upwards of $1500. It doesn't get any better than a dream color. Trust me I own 27imacs, 8 mini's, 12 Mac Pros at my business. The HP dream color monitor line is the widely used monitor of the Movie effects industry, who require the absolute finest displays there are.
But I also have around 8 PC workstation as well. This is one of them I have at work and at home. It is truly a marvel of engineering. HP is like the Apple of the PC world. Their customer service is very Apple like on the business side. Excellent.
The engineering on a imac is amazing also. But more so on the HP. You can upgrade every aspect of the machine to your liking.
The screen is actually better than the imacs. Same resolution yes. But it's a better quality screen. The screen alone costs upwards of $1500. It doesn't get any better than a dream color. Trust me I own 27imacs, 8 mini's, 12 Mac Pros at my business. The HP dream color monitor line is the widely used monitor of the Movie effects industry, who require the absolute finest displays there are.
But I also have around 8 PC workstation as well. This is one of them I have at work and at home. It is truly a marvel of engineering. HP is like the Apple of the PC world. Their customer service is very Apple like on the business side. Excellent.
Interesting resurrecting this old thread and seeing what was written 2 years ago.
I own a late 2012 iMac i7 and am very pleased with it indeed. I did for a while own the Z1 too, and whilst I do prefer the iMac because of OS X and the aesthetic design, there was indeed much to be admired with the Z1.
To echo your point, I was *staggered* at how much better the screen was on the Z1. Why this should be the case, I really don't know - they are both IPS panels and I calibrated both with an Eye Display Pro (at the time - I now use a ColorMunki), but the Z1 screen is just waaaaaaayyyyyyyy better.
That said, prior to this I used an Eizo ColorEdge and that was way better too!
The dreamcolor display on the Z1 uses FRC to take it to true 10bit color. The imac does not. Both displays are good, just the Z1 is better.
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And being that is will be great. I surely will get one. But that doesn't take away from the advantages of the Z1 from a purely engineering standpoint.
You can put in whatever Mxm graphic card you like. Upgrade every aspect of the Z1. Say when the Z1 G3 comes out, you can put a G3 Z1 screen into a first gen Z1 for example.
Upgrade the motherboard, CPU, graphic card, add thunderbolt 2 also if you like. Wifi card, etc, dual SSD, MSATA, Raid 0, You get the idea.
If you need a PC or prefer a PC the Z1 is as good as it gets.