Would any of you switch to HP Z1 over new iMac refresh?

[Chippy99]

The dreamcolor display on the Z1 uses FRC to take it to true 10bit color. The imac does not. Both displays are good, just the Z1 is better.

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And being that is will be great. I surely will get one. But that doesn't take away from the advantages of the Z1 from a purely engineering standpoint.

You can put in whatever Mxm graphic card you like. Upgrade every aspect of the Z1. Say when the Z1 G3 comes out, you can put a G3 Z1 screen into a first gen Z1 for example.

Upgrade the motherboard, CPU, graphic card, add thunderbolt 2 also if you like. Wifi card, etc, dual SSD, MSATA, Raid 0, You get the idea.

If you need a PC or prefer a PC the Z1 is as good as it gets.

If you absolutely need an All in One, then I agree. But do you? I have a UPS under my desk which is a big as some PC's. And a subwoofer on the other side that is larger than most. (I forgot about that when I was typing this and had to add it in!) Would it really hurt me that much to have a PC under there and just a screen on the desk? No, not really. And it has advantages then that all the USB and TBolt cables are under the desk, not dangling off the back of the screen.

AIO's have their place, but I am not sure they are really needed all that often. If and when I buy another Mac, I don't think it will be an iMac.

 

[iamthedudeman]

If you absolutely need an All in One, then I agree. But do you? I have a UPS under my desk which is a big as some PC's. And a subwoofer on the other side that is larger than most. (I forgot about that when I was typing this and had to add it in!) Would it really hurt me that much to have a PC under there and just a screen on the desk? No, not really. And it has advantages then that all the USB and TBolt cables are under the desk, not dangling off the back of the screen.

AIO's have their place, but I am not sure they are really needed all that often. If and when I but another Mac, I don't think it will be an iMac.

I don't think most people need a all in one. The people that get one usually get one because of the aesthetics, not need. But not always.

All in ones are a cleaner solution if you have many in your business. How your business looks depending on need is almost as important on how your business runs. If I bring a client in for a meeting my business better look as well as it runs. Not with wires and peripherals all over the place. Speakers, cords, wires look worn out and tired when you get enough workstations together.

You have enough ports inside the Z1 that no external thunderbolt anything is required. It has 3 mini Pcie, two sata 6, and more inside the machine. No need for thunderbolt. But you can add thunderbolt if you wish. You cannot do that on a imac. Just open it up and add what you like. No thunderbolt required.

I don't have anything dangling off my Z1's at work and at home. Just a power cord. And I have 3 512GB SSD's in my Z1. Very clean design. Every bit as clean as a imac and cleaner if you need more storage. I don't understand why you are saying that your setup have cords under the desk. My Z1 has not cords under the desk or above it except for the power cord. Thats it.

You can have five SSD's in there if you want. Or 4 SSD's with keeping the wifi card.


Single workstation no big deal. Get what you like. No need for a All in one.

But with the Z1, you give up nothing by having a all in one. Its not a throw away device. Like a Imac. The z1 is a true workstation, and the imac is not a comparable machine. Different machines for different uses.

 

[mrmarts]

My only complaint towards companies such as HP are the bloatware that comes preinstalled right out of the box, as it makes the system run crap and sometimes you cannot even remove it. Oh and than there is that silly windows recovery cd, which can only be made once. I was happy to get rid of my HP Pavilion for a macbook.

I will never touch HP or Toshiba for this reason. Dell fairs better though I owned a XPS machine and it has far less spyware or bloatware when compared to HP. i wouldn't mind having an Alienware desktop but I am too caught up with Apple eco system and have too much invested in it.

 

[mlody]

My only complaint towards companies such as HP are the bloatware that comes preinstalled right out of the box, as it makes the system run crap and sometimes you cannot even remove it. Oh and than there is that silly windows recovery cd, which can only be made once. I was happy to get rid of my HP Pavilion for a macbook.

I will never touch HP or Toshiba for this reason. Dell fairs better though I owned a XPS machine and it has far less spyware or bloatware when compared to HP. i wouldn't mind having an Alienware desktop but I am too caught up with Apple eco system and have too much invested in it.

Windows does not restrict you what can be and can not be uninstalled, so any bloatware that is preinstalled can be removed, or if you prefer, you could always install Windows from scratch.

 

[Chippy99]

I don't understand why you are saying that your setup have cords under the desk. My Z1 has not cords under the desk or above it except for the power cord. Thats it.

I don't have a computer under my desk.

Regards cords hanging off a computer (in my case an iMac), well let me think... I have:

1. Power cord
2. Ethernet cable (I prefer wired)
3. USB cable to external USB hub
4. USB to external HD1
5. USB to external HD2
6. Thunderbolt to External backup disk(s)

Then from the hub, I have

7. USB to Printer1
8. USB to Printer2
9. USB to External BluRay/DVD writer
10. USB to External card reader
11. USB to Mac wired Keyboard
12. USB to Document Scanner
13. USB to other things I can't remember (I can see 8 USB cables coming from the hub!)

I probably have 14 or 15 things connected either directly or via the hub.

Could I replace some of these devices with wireless? Well yes some of them. But that would involve throwing away a perfectly good colour laser printer (for example). And some stuff - like the document scanner - you don't see many (any?) wifi enabled ones.

So yes, I could minimise it. But realistically I could not eliminate all this cabling, only minimise it. And doing so would cost a lot of money replacing perfectly good peripherals effectively for no reason.

A "no-wires" iMac is not a realistic proposition for many people.

 

[iamthedudeman]

My only complaint towards companies such as HP are the bloatware that comes preinstalled right out of the box, as it makes the system run crap and sometimes you cannot even remove it. Oh and than there is that silly windows recovery cd, which can only be made once. I was happy to get rid of my HP Pavilion for a macbook.

I will never touch HP or Toshiba for this reason. Dell fairs better though I owned a XPS machine and it has far less spyware or bloatware when compared to HP. i wouldn't mind having an Alienware desktop but I am too caught up with Apple eco system and have too much invested in it.

Well sorry to hear that and I agree with you. HP's consumer products and support are like that. The HP Z1 is a different beast entirely. The HP Z1 is not a consumer product. It is a professional workstation and is treated as such by HP. Is is also supported by HP business which is a separate entity form HP.com or consumer HP.

Hp business support is as good as or superior to Apple. Can't be? That is what I thought but if you call them you get someone you can understand(no offence), they come to your work or house to fix any problem within 24hrs. Apple doesn't even do that. Most companies on the consumer side do not. Business support is different altogether.

I had some dead pixels upon startup on my HP Z1 at home. They were at my house the next morning putting in a new monitor, no questions asked. Stayed until I was fully satisfied. On the business side Apple also offers similar support.

My Z1 at work and at home come with 'zero' bloatware. Just the opposite. It comes with software to modify and monitor every part of the machine, temps, fans, cpu speed, disk speed, heat sensors, etc, everything. Software you will not typically find on a consumer product.

It comes with software to automatically update your drivers, software, everything and does all of this in the backround while you work. You can also modify this if you like.

It comes with whatever copy of OS you wish. If you don't like Windows 8 you can pick linux or windows 7. They will ship you a CD overnight. No CD recovery disk required. But one comes in the box if you need it.

I also have macs, many of them at work and at home as well as the Z1. It plays nice with the Apple eco system. Windows even got icloud support before OSX!

No reason to hate on windows just because you have Apple products. Both can co-exist and both have their strengths and weaknesses. There are great Windows products out there. You just have to know where to look.

 

[iamthedudeman]

I don't have a computer under my desk.

Regards cords hanging off a computer (in my case an iMac), well let me think... I have:

1. Power cord
2. Ethernet cable (I prefer wired)
3. USB cable to external USB hub
4. USB to external HD1
5. USB to external HD2
6. Thunderbolt to External backup disk(s)

Then from the hub, I have

7. USB to Printer1
8. USB to Printer2
9. USB to External BluRay/DVD writer
10. USB to External card reader
11. USB to Mac wired Keyboard
12. USB to Document Scanner
13. USB to other things I can't remember (I can see 8 USB cables coming from the hub!)

I probably have 14 or 15 things connected either directly or via the hub.

Could I replace some of these devices with wireless? Well yes some of them. But that would involve throwing away a perfectly good colour laser printer (for example). And some stuff - like the document scanner - you don't see many (any?) wifi enabled ones.

So yes, I could minimise it. But realistically I could not eliminate all this cabling, only minimise it. And doing so would cost a lot of money replacing perfectly good peripherals effectively for no reason.

A "no-wires" iMac is not a realistic proposition for many people.

Well we are talking about the Z1 not a imac are we not?

Most of what you mentioned does not apply.

1. Power cord -OK
2. Ethernet cable (I prefer wired)-not really, hidden on the Z1 Sort of. It is under the screen. Cant really see it. It is next to the power cord.
3. USB cable to external USB hub - Z1 not needed
4. USB to external HD1-Z1 not needed
5. USB to external HD2-Z1 not needed
6. Thunderbolt to External backup disk(s)-Z1 not needed

7. USB to Printer1 -Z1 or mac not needed. Wireless.
8. USB to Printer2-Wireless
9. USB to External BluRay/DVD writer-Z1 built in not needed.
10. USB to External card reader-Z1 not needed built in
11. USB to Mac wired Keyboard-Not needed on mac or Z1
12. USB to Document Scanner-Not needed wireless
13. USB to other things I can't remember (I can see 8 USB cables coming from the hub!) I don't know about that one.


A "no-wires" iMac is not a realistic proposition for many people.


Very true, not on a imac. But on a Z1 it is.

 

[Chippy99]

Well we are talking about the Z1 not a imac are we not?

Most of what you mentioned does not apply.

1. Power cord -OK
2. Ethernet cable (I prefer wired)-not really, hidden on the Z1 Sort of. It is under the screen. Cant really see it. It is next to the power cord.
3. USB cable to external USB hub - Z1 not needed
4. USB to external HD1-Z1 not needed
5. USB to external HD2-Z1 not needed
6. Thunderbolt to External backup disk(s)-Z1 not needed

7. USB to Printer1 -Z1 or mac not needed. Wireless.
8. USB to Printer2-Wireless
9. USB to External BluRay/DVD writer-Z1 built in not needed.
10. USB to External card reader-Z1 not needed built in
11. USB to Mac wired Keyboard-Not needed on mac or Z1
12. USB to Document Scanner-Not needed wireless
13. USB to other things I can't remember (I can see 8 USB cables coming from the hub!) I don't know about that one.


A "no-wires" iMac is not a realistic proposition for many people.


Very true, not on a imac. But on a Z1 it is.

Honestly mate, you obviously love your Z1 (I liked mine).

But your post above is ridiculous. I made the specific point about it not being sensible to replace perfectly good non-wifi peripherals just to get rid of wires and you have completely ignored that.

You have also completely ignored the requirement for significant amounts of storage or backup media. Wireless backup of multiple terabytes of critical data is a non-starter. Then I might add, how would you like to read your Compact Flash memory card from your pro DSLR without a card reader?

 

[iamthedudeman]

Honestly mate, you obviously love your Z1 (I liked mine).

But your post above is ridiculous. I made the specific point about it not being sensible to replace perfectly good non-wifi peripherals just to get rid of wires and you have completely ignored that.

You have also completely ignored the requirement for significant amounts of storage or backup media. Wireless backup of multiple terabytes of critical data is a non-starter. Then I might add, how would you like to read your Compact Flash memory card from your pro DSLR without a card reader?

What are you talking about? Obviously you never owned a Z1 or you would not make such comments. Why lie? I am not a 'fanboy' of the Z1 or a imac. And I own more than each of both machines.

What does having wires on your setup have to do with a Z1 not requiring alot of wires? Nothing. Minimal wires are required for the Z1, that was my whole point. Less than a imac. I am not talking about your setup, or what are your requirements. Just pointing out what is possible with a Z1. I don't care what your setup is or isn't.

No need for wired printer in the 21st century. If you have one fine. That is great. Keep it. But there is not need for it. If you don't like wires, which it seems you do not. Buy a wireless printer. They are cheap.

Wired keyboard, no need for that either. If you have wires for a printer and a keyboard and Ethernet. That is on you, no shortcomings either on a imac or Z1.

You need multiple drives, the Z1 has room for four. By your post that is more than you currently have.

I was pointing out what is possible on the Z1 to rectify a setup such as yours. That's it.

Who said wireless backup of wireless storage anything? The Z1 has the ability for multiple SSD's. HD's what ever you like. three mini pcie and dual 6SATA SSD. What storage requirements would you require which would exceed that, four drives? One Pcie is taken up by the wireless card. That leaves two more free in addition to two SATA 6Gps connections.

The Z1 has a card reader. What is your point?

 

[Chippy99]

What are you talking about? Obviously you never owned a Z1 or you would not make such comments. Why lie? I am not a 'fanboy' of the Z1 or a imac. And I own more than each of both machines.

What does having wires on your setup have to do with a Z1 not requiring alot of wires? Nothing. Minimal wires are required for the Z1, that was my whole point. Less than a imac. I am not talking about your setup, or what are your requirements. Just pointing out what is possible with a Z1. I don't care what your setup is or isn't.

No need for wired printer in the 21st century. If you have one fine. That is great. Keep it. But there is not need for it. If you don't like wires, which it seems you do not. Buy a wireless printer. They are cheap.

Wired keyboard, no need for that either. If you have wires for a printer and a keyboard and Ethernet. That is on you, no shortcomings either on a imac or Z1.

You need multiple drives, the Z1 has room for four. By your post that is more than you currently have.

I was pointing out what is possible on the Z1 to rectify a setup such as yours. That's it.

Who said wireless backup of wireless storage anything? The Z1 has the ability for multiple SSD's. HD's what ever you like. three mini pcie and dual 6SATA SSD. What storage requirements would you require which would exceed that, four drives? One Pcie is taken up by the wireless card. That leaves two more free in addition to two SATA 6Gps connections.

The Z1 has a card reader. What is your point?

It was YOU who asked me why I have a load of wires attached. That's why I listed them.

And you STILL completely ignore the need for backup devices and the cost of replacing sometimes EXPENSIVE peripherals. And does the Z1 have a COMPACT FLASH reader, like I said? I don't remember it.

As I said before, so you love your Z1, great. We get that.

 

[Serban]

The bottom line is, with the new retina imac i will no longer consider another PC or all in one from other brand.
i hope for thunderbolt 2 ports,
standard fusion drive OR standard SSD
standard 16 Gb Ram
Geforce 970M and BTO 980M

 

[iamthedudeman]

It was YOU who asked me why I have a load of wires attached. That's why I listed them.

And you STILL completely ignore the need for backup devices and the cost of replacing sometimes EXPENSIVE peripherals. And does the Z1 have a COMPACT FLASH reader, like I said? I don't remember it.

As I said before, so you love your Z1, great. We get that.

I never asked why you had them, I only said you don't need wires with the Z1 and explained why. Re read the thread.

How am I ignoring the need for backup devices? What thread are you on?
What are you smoking?

The HP Z1 has room for five SSD's if you remove the wifi card and four SSD's if you keep it. How is that not room for backup devices? Of coarse it has a flash reader. I said so more than once. And if you owned one, you would know that.

I don't love my Z1. Just pointing the merits of it's design which you know nothing about. I have more than one and more than one 27 imac. Most people do not. So I am able to point out the merits of the Z1's design compared to the imac.


It gives up nothing being a all in one which was and is my point. Something that you just did not get. It has everything that you say you need and than some. I have no idea what point you are trying to make. Zero.

 

[iamthedudeman]

The bottom line is, with the new retina imac i will no longer consider another PC or all in one from other brand.
i hope for thunderbolt 2 ports,
standard fusion drive OR standard SSD
standard 16 Gb Ram
Geforce 970M and BTO 980M

Good for you.

But retina or not the Z1 will still have a better screen. Not as pixel dense but the contrast and color will be better than any imac. I cannot see the pixels on my display on my imac 27 or my Z1. I don't see how more pixels would benefit the display. Contrast, color accuracy and color depth is a better indicator or a good display. Not pixels that you cannot see. The HP Z1s display is leagues better than my imac 27. I have the latest imac 27 and the maxed out first gen Z1. There is a touch Z1 G2 now but the display is the same.

The movie industry use these screens for a reason. They don't use imacs. Now the imac screen is fantastic, pro quality in my opinion. But the HP dreamcolor display is a league above. Quite possibly the best pro screen on the market for the money.

It can display 4K content natively. Read this if you are interested.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/hp-z27x-dreamcolor-monitor,3927-8.html


http://www8.hp.com/us/en/campaigns/workstations/dreamcolor-displays.html

http://shopping1.hp.com/is-bin/INTE...Ov&CatalogCategoryID=yP4Q7EN5.w0AAAEu6fw.zwd2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU89Mr-_O08#t=351

 

[poematik13]

This thread is obviously viral marketing for HP, but I'll bite anyway.

I pull my hair out managing windows PC's at work and when I get home I am relieved to relax and sit down with a computer (a mac) that doesn't have any of the drama, bloatware, and ****** performance that windows is famous for.

i would never buy one. ESPECIALLY AN HP, they are full of bloatware

 

[NICKXXXXXX]

All the hp's we've had in our family regardless of price class have always lost huge amount of performance after about a year. That seems to be the deal with all pc's in my experience. Had my macbook for a year now and it's just as fast as when I got it. Did a boot up test recently and it took 6 seconds!

 

[Chippy99]

I never asked why you had them, I only said you don't need wires with the Z1 and explained why. Re read the thread.

How am I ignoring the need for backup devices? What thread are you on?
What are you smoking?

The HP Z1 has room for five SSD's if you remove the wifi card and four SSD's if you keep it. How is that not room for backup devices? Of coarse it has a flash reader. I said so more than once. And if you owned one, you would know that.

I don't love my Z1. Just pointing the merits of it's design which you know nothing about. I have more than one and more than one 27 imac. Most people do not. So I am able to point out the merits of the Z1's design compared to the imac.


It gives up nothing being a all in one which was and is my point. Something that you just did not get. It has everything that you say you need and than some. I have no idea what point you are trying to make. Zero.

The point I was and am still making is that for many people (most perhaps) it is unrealistic to have a wires-free computer, iMac, Z1 or otherwise. I don't know why you have no idea about this, I've said it often enough.

So you think backing up your data from one internal drive to another internal drive is a safe and prudent backup strategy? Right.

And how many times do I have to say the words "COMPACT FLASH" to you? If you have a Nikon D200 or D700 camera or a brand new Nikon D4S for example, please tell me how you take the card from it and insert it into your Z1 without using a pair of scissors

I won't repeat again the other umpteen reasons you might need some external device.

Finally please stop with your libellous suggestions that I am being dishonest in saying I owned a Z1. This is insulting and unnecessary, as well as being factually incorrect.

 

[Serban]

Good for you.

But retina or not the Z1 will still have a better screen. Not as pixel dense but the contrast and color will be better than any imac. I cannot see the pixels on my display on my imac 27 or my Z1. I don't see how more pixels would benefit the display. Contrast, color accuracy and color depth is a better indicator or a good display. Not pixels that you cannot see. The HP Z1s display is leagues better than my imac 27. I have the latest imac 27 and the maxed out first gen Z1. There is a touch Z1 G2 now but the display is the same.

The movie industry use these screens for a reason. They don't use imacs. Now the imac screen is fantastic, pro quality in my opinion. But the HP dreamcolor display is a league above. Quite possibly the best pro screen on the market for the money.

It can display 4K content natively. Read this if you are interested.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/hp-z27x-dreamcolor-monitor,3927-8.html


http://www8.hp.com/us/en/campaigns/workstations/dreamcolor-displays.html

http://shopping1.hp.com/is-bin/INTE...Ov&CatalogCategoryID=yP4Q7EN5.w0AAAEu6fw.zwd2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU89Mr-_O08#t=351

you are comparing curent imac screen with z1...i was talking the next gen imac with retina. Apple with retina always make even better than doubling the pixel aka macbook pro back in 2012. And those GPU...

 

[iamthedudeman]

The point I was and am still making is that for many people (most perhaps) it is unrealistic to have a wires-free computer, iMac, Z1 or otherwise. I don't know why you have no idea about this, I've said it often enough.

So you think backing up your data from one internal drive to another internal drive is a safe and prudent backup strategy? Right.

And how many times do I have to say the words "COMPACT FLASH" to you? If you have a Nikon D200 or D700 camera or a brand new Nikon D4S for example, please tell me how you take the card from it and insert it into your Z1 without using a pair of scissors

I won't repeat again the other umpteen reasons you might need some external device.

Finally please stop with your libellous suggestions that I am being dishonest in saying I owned a Z1. This is insulting and unnecessary, as well as being factually incorrect.

And I said too many times it is not unrealistic to have a wires free computer other than the power cord. I have all my Z1's like this.

Why is it a bad idea to have a internal backup drive that is safe? I have four drives SSDs that I also have one as a backup. How is this any different than having a external? There is no difference other than you can take a external with you easier. I have no need to take one with me so it suits me well. How is this a bad idea if the OS goes on the primary drive? I still have a backup in the machine. I used this already to flash my main drive with my backup (acronis) to my original desktop when I upgraded the drives to SSD when I first got my Z1.

You have no point to make. I will drop this whole argument since you think your situation or what you perceive is fact and nothing else can be otherwise. How can I believe you owned one since you know nothing about the machine, like what kind of flash reader it has? Or better yet not knowing it had one at all! Or the internal storage it can take? Those are basic. How is it insulting? If it is true?

The Z1 can handle compact flash, regular flash cards, different sizes. I said this already. You would know this if you owned one. Which you claimed you did but........................

 

[iamthedudeman]

you are comparing curent imac screen with z1...i was talking the next gen imac with retina. Apple with retina always make even better than doubling the pixel aka macbook pro back in 2012. And those GPU...

Actually I was not. I said 'retina or not'. Retina is a Apple term meaning you cannot see the pixels. They will just have a 4K screen just like the dell or NEC already has.

The GPU's in the Z1 are Quattro GPU's, which are twice as much as what is in a imac and are used for certified applications. A workstation GPU. Not even comparable. One is for work one is for play.

A imac weather a 2015 model with 4K monitor is not a workstaion. A Z1 is. apples and oranges. Not a comparison to be made. One is a consumer product and one is a professional workstation.

The Hp dreamcolor display in the Z1 cost $1000 from the supplier to HP business. This is what Hp pays give or take for this monitor. Apple will not put a $1000 monitor in any imac, not unless they want to sell a base 27 4K imac for $3000.



The HP dream color has a 4K sub-structure. It can display 4K content natively. The reason it has this sub-structure is because a higher pixel count has a effect on contrast levels and color accuracy. A 4K sub-pixel count would alleviate this and still allow for better color accuracy and contrast levels. Once the 4K technology gets better, this will not be the case. But for now it is.

The HP dream-color display is already superior to dells 4K monitor and others on the market. Like I said it is possibly the best monitor on the market 4K or no 4K. There is a reason Hollywood uses these to make their movies. A retina Imac monitor still will not touch a HP dream-color display.

When my Z1 displays a 4K image, it looks 3D like. Here is my desktop, which is displayed in 4K.

Dont take my word for it.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/hp-z27x-dreamcolor-monitor,3927-8.html

 

[Chippy99]

Why on earth do you think I don't know how many disks the Z1 can hold? Anyone can read that from the spec sheets??!!? And I said I could not remember whether the Z1 had a CF slot, since I do not own it any longer. I never said it didn't have a flash reader. Check the posts.

All I can say is only a complete and utter fool would use only internal storage for back up, but if you are then that's fine by me.

And there you go, implying I am lying again. I am amazed the mods haven't banned you to be honest. I wish they would.

It's utterly ridiculous that someone is allowed to post endless fanboy nonsense about a HP Z1 on an iMac forum, let alone post all the insults. The irony of all ironies is that you are choosing to insult someone (me) who actually *likes* the Z1 and has been defending it on this very thread.

I hope the mods lock this thread since it's just become a vehicle for you to bang on about how marvellous Z1's are, IN A MAC FORUM. It's beyond ridiculous.

 

[macjunk(ie)]

All I can say is only a complete and utter fool would use only internal storage for back up, but if you are then that's fine by me.

And there you go, implying I am lying again. I am amazed the mods haven't banned you to be honest. I wish they would.

What is ridiculous is you getting so touchy and personal. No need to go calling someone a fool. Quite rude.

BTW...no harm in using the internal storage as a backup. In fact, it is faster and convenient.

In my opinion, if one can work with Windows, the Z1 is a much better machine than the iMac. No doubt about it. Flexible, self-serviceable and longer lasting than the iMac. The catch, of course is Windows. It is not bad but not as good as OSX (again, in my opinion). Here's hoping Windows 10 provides more competition to OSX. Either way, it is good for both Apple and Microsoft fans.

 

[Chippy99]

What is ridiculous is you getting so touchy and personal. No need to go calling someone a fool. Quite rude.

BTW...no harm in using the internal storage as a backup. In fact, it is faster and convenient.

In my opinion, if one can work with Windows, the Z1 is a much better machine than the iMac. No doubt about it. Flexible, self-serviceable and longer lasting than the iMac. The catch, of course is Windows. It is not bad but not as good as OSX (again, in my opinion). Here's hoping Windows 10 provides more competition to OSX. Either way, it is good for both Apple and Microsoft fans.

He calls me a liar and you say I am being touchy and personal?

 

[PatrickVogeli]

I wouldn't mind a Z1 running linux.. However, isn't the Z1 more expensive than the imac by about $500 at least?

 

[iamthedudeman]

Why on earth do you think I don't know how many disks the Z1 can hold? Anyone can read that from the spec sheets??!!? And I said I could not remember whether the Z1 had a CF slot, since I do not own it any longer. I never said it didn't have a flash reader. Check the posts.

All I can say is only a complete and utter fool would use only internal storage for back up, but if you are then that's fine by me.

And there you go, implying I am lying again. I am amazed the mods haven't banned you to be honest. I wish they would.

It's utterly ridiculous that someone is allowed to post endless fanboy nonsense about a HP Z1 on an iMac forum, let alone post all the insults. The irony of all ironies is that you are choosing to insult someone (me) who actually *likes* the Z1 and has been defending it on this very thread.

I hope the mods lock this thread since it's just become a vehicle for you to bang on about how marvellous Z1's are, IN A MAC FORUM. It's beyond ridiculous.

Saying i have my head up my ##### isnt rude? Now you call me a fool.

I will not stoop to that level. You have some issues. Now its illegal to talk about how well engineered a machine is besides a mac? Ok. Especially a person who owns over 30 macs. You can like things besides a mac too. Actually you can like both

I apologize if i offended you. I take it back. Sorry for implying you lied. Lets not argue and act like adults here ok.

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If apple would make a pro imac like a z1. The only con on the z1 is windows. I like windows but i like osx better. just appreciate the engineering that went into it.
Actually its more than that 500 configured on the high end.

 

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I wouldn't mind a Z1 running linux.. However, isn't the Z1 more expensive than the imac by about $500 at least?

Yes. Actually by at least a 1000 for the higher config like the ones i have. My 2013 imacs cost around 3000. My mac pros about the same as a z1. You can find them on ebay for much cheaper though. About the same price of a imac.

Shame that HP business is so much better than their consumer products. No bloatware, usefull built in software, people you can understand when you talk to them, next day on site solutions etc. my opinion is that is built into the cost of enterprise hardware.

My guess that is why they spun off from thier consumer counterpart.