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iPhone 12 Pro Yellow Screen/Tint? Display seem "Warm"? Check here first!
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For what it's worth, a screen replacement under warranty may in fact be a good option at this point, if the following is true:
--Apple maintains a separate batch of high quality screens specifically for replacements only (as opposed to playing the screen lottery)
--Apple can guarantee maintenance of IP water resistance when replacing the screen (I think they do)
--they don't otherwise eff up the phone in the process
It's a road I'm considering taking at this point. I have the raised blacks, I'll just use it as my reason for replacing the screen under warranty.
--Apple maintains a separate batch of high quality screens specifically for replacements only (as opposed to playing the screen lottery)
--Apple can guarantee maintenance of IP water resistance when replacing the screen (I think they do)
--they don't otherwise eff up the phone in the process
It's a road I'm considering taking at this point. I have the raised blacks, I'll just use it as my reason for replacing the screen under warranty.
By your own logic, you are actually worse than us buddy. You are literally here to complain about our complaints. You are “amazed”? Well, I’m amazed by your need to comment.
I'm not Bryan Bower, but I get where he's coming from in general, which I tried to state early on in this massive thread.
The perceived problem here is being blown way out of proportion. The OP submits this sensationalized premise about Apple screwing everybody with their "leftover" panels up front, and that the warmth and lack of white in these 12 panels is somehow a systemic problem, rather than what's becoming more and more obvious - they intended it to be this way and it's not actually a massive problem. So the burden of proof is on anybody that goes along with the OP here. The rest of us that think this might be how Apple intended it are just trying to bring some balance to this perspective - at least that's my only goal here. Personally I'm not trying to fight or just complain.
Are there some users with screen issues? Absolutely. But it's becoming more and more clear that Apple intended these screens to be "less white" than previous models, and that's not a systemic widespread problem beyond the fact that it's just different and you either like it or don't like it.
Instead of acting like keyboard warriors, have you ever considered having a conversation with anyone that has a different view than yours?
We can talk in, lets say march, and see how all screens of new devices are less yellow than now. I’m pretty sure apple will fix this mess in silent, as they do most of the time. Then, the intention to be warmer will be part of the past.
And have you considered letting people express their frustration and anger about having to hear from apple all kind of lies trying to convince us that they are trying to solve it by a software update?
And trying to show us like fools saying what we see and feel is fake?
You can apply yourself your own advices Bryan.
I see little point in arguing with these non-issue claimers than to disprove their baseless claims for the rest of the readers of this thread who care about this issue and will see this post. These non-issue claimers have a few things in common: 1) I can guarantee that they haven’t kept up with half, let alone the majority of the posts in this thread. 2) They will ignore the posts with evidence that disprove their claims and will continue to push their narrative. 3) Apple will personally be sending them a pair of Airpods Max for Christmas, free of charge for their valiant defence of Apple products.
I’ve made a number of posts about these IPhone display issues in this thread, and it’s getting boring repeating myself, as I know it is for some of you. But what can we do when the important posts get lost behind page numbers of threads, to be read once for a day or 2 then never again. What effect does this have? Well it causes these self proclaimed Apple Geniuses to be geniuses and appear oblivious to an almost 200 page thread of people discussing display issues. Yes, there are display issues if somehow you hadn’t noticed yet. Whether people notice/care about them is another question, which has been stated many times here. There are different groups of people who align with different opinions on this issue. Some people will just not notice it. Maybe they’re coming from an old iPhone or old Android and automatically assume new = better. Some sorry souls who do notice it might even see this as innovation and run with it, claiming that less blue light is better for our eyes, as if a feature called night shift with a colour temperature slider wasn’t invented for that exact purpose in mind. These might be the same people who claim that the yellow tint is intended because they have it in their minds that Apple can do no wrong. Yes, these people exist. Their eye catching keynotes and polished commercials could sway the masses to believe this. I’d also blame the reviewers who love to push the narrative that iPhones are the phones that “just work”. Yes, these phones are generally easy and great to use, but now we’ve got people thinking they’re flawless. Then we have a group of people who will notice the issue, but won’t care enough to flag it as an issue. They would rather just get used to it or use a workaround like colour tinting and be content with the decrease in brightness they would achieve as a side effect of doing this. This might be an acceptable compromise for some, but for those who paid a premium for a feature that is exclusive to the Pro lineup of iPhones, are well within their right to feel annoyed when they lose it because of an incorrectly calibrated display that bothers them. Then we have people who notice the issue, who aren’t necessarily power users but would like their display to look right, which I feel most people in this thread comprise of. Then there would be power users who give us their colorimeter/spectrophotometer readings for d65 white point and RGB greyscale. Yes these posts exist, and if you’d taken the time to actually read through the thread, you would have seen the variances in the RGB greyscale for affected displays, exhibiting muted blues and raised greens with varying reds which creates this tint for users.
Users having to exchange their phone 3, 4, 5+ times isn’t normal. But you have to question why it has got to that stage. Don’t give me no “it was intended that way”, as there have been many posts from users here explaining that their exchanged phone has been a clear improvement over their original, which just reiterates the fact that there are better displays out there. Before you say these posts could be subjective, I’ll let you know that some of them have done their own Displaycal readings, showing us raw comparative data on how their display is better, but of course you wouldn’t have seen those posts. The conclusion that “it was intended that way” cannot possibly follow when there are people with both yellow tinted iPhones and non-yellow tinted iPhones, it just doesn’t make sense. They could either be intended with a yellow tint or without, not both. Apple intended user X to have a yellow tint to their display, whilst they also intended user Y to have a white display, because logic. These screens aren’t intended to be less white, that reasoning is bonkers, why would Apple intend for a screen to be less colour accurate? I’m intrigued to know what else these non-issue claimers consider as non-issues. Perhaps the raised and flickering blacks are also intended? Yes, I love me some flickering greens in dark scenes when viewing content.
It’s a display lottery. It always has been, and it likely always will be for the foreseeable future, until factory display calibration can reach an unheard of level of precision. A similar thing has recently happened with Sony’s PlayStation 5s. Some consoles are receiving louder internal fans than others, which is due to different part manufacturers. Same thing with PS4 Pros. These lotteries are everywhere in the tech industry, it’s just whether people care enough about them to flag them as issues and make a change, that’s all it is. I’ve made this point before, that the pandemic more than likely has affected products and their launches negatively. The proof is in the pudding, the annual September iPhone event was pushed to October this year, and the product lineups launched staggered with 12s and Pros first and pro Max and minis later. Knowing this, it’s not hard to believe that QC took a hit this year, it’s been a tough year. I would align with this reasoning rather than believing Apple intended to give us yellow tinted displays which is absurd. Regardless, it’s each individual’s choice whether they want to accept their displays or not. I will support those who are trying to receive a display they are happy with, because these are premium products, and it raises awareness around these issues. If everyone adopted an attitude of accepting subpar products, how is progress ever going to be made? Criticism and competition drives better products.
I’ve made a number of posts about these IPhone display issues in this thread, and it’s getting boring repeating myself, as I know it is for some of you. But what can we do when the important posts get lost behind page numbers of threads, to be read once for a day or 2 then never again. What effect does this have? Well it causes these self proclaimed Apple Geniuses to be geniuses and appear oblivious to an almost 200 page thread of people discussing display issues. Yes, there are display issues if somehow you hadn’t noticed yet. Whether people notice/care about them is another question, which has been stated many times here. There are different groups of people who align with different opinions on this issue. Some people will just not notice it. Maybe they’re coming from an old iPhone or old Android and automatically assume new = better. Some sorry souls who do notice it might even see this as innovation and run with it, claiming that less blue light is better for our eyes, as if a feature called night shift with a colour temperature slider wasn’t invented for that exact purpose in mind. These might be the same people who claim that the yellow tint is intended because they have it in their minds that Apple can do no wrong. Yes, these people exist. Their eye catching keynotes and polished commercials could sway the masses to believe this. I’d also blame the reviewers who love to push the narrative that iPhones are the phones that “just work”. Yes, these phones are generally easy and great to use, but now we’ve got people thinking they’re flawless. Then we have a group of people who will notice the issue, but won’t care enough to flag it as an issue. They would rather just get used to it or use a workaround like colour tinting and be content with the decrease in brightness they would achieve as a side effect of doing this. This might be an acceptable compromise for some, but for those who paid a premium for a feature that is exclusive to the Pro lineup of iPhones, are well within their right to feel annoyed when they lose it because of an incorrectly calibrated display that bothers them. Then we have people who notice the issue, who aren’t necessarily power users but would like their display to look right, which I feel most people in this thread comprise of. Then there would be power users who give us their colorimeter/spectrophotometer readings for d65 white point and RGB greyscale. Yes these posts exist, and if you’d taken the time to actually read through the thread, you would have seen the variances in the RGB greyscale for affected displays, exhibiting muted blues and raised greens with varying reds which creates this tint for users.
Users having to exchange their phone 3, 4, 5+ times isn’t normal. But you have to question why it has got to that stage. Don’t give me no “it was intended that way”, as there have been many posts from users here explaining that their exchanged phone has been a clear improvement over their original, which just reiterates the fact that there are better displays out there. Before you say these posts could be subjective, I’ll let you know that some of them have done their own Displaycal readings, showing us raw comparative data on how their display is better, but of course you wouldn’t have seen those posts. The conclusion that “it was intended that way” cannot possibly follow when there are people with both yellow tinted iPhones and non-yellow tinted iPhones, it just doesn’t make sense. They could either be intended with a yellow tint or without, not both. Apple intended user X to have a yellow tint to their display, whilst they also intended user Y to have a white display, because logic. These screens aren’t intended to be less white, that reasoning is bonkers, why would Apple intend for a screen to be less colour accurate? I’m intrigued to know what else these non-issue claimers consider as non-issues. Perhaps the raised and flickering blacks are also intended? Yes, I love me some flickering greens in dark scenes when viewing content.
It’s a display lottery. It always has been, and it likely always will be for the foreseeable future, until factory display calibration can reach an unheard of level of precision. A similar thing has recently happened with Sony’s PlayStation 5s. Some consoles are receiving louder internal fans than others, which is due to different part manufacturers. Same thing with PS4 Pros. These lotteries are everywhere in the tech industry, it’s just whether people care enough about them to flag them as issues and make a change, that’s all it is. I’ve made this point before, that the pandemic more than likely has affected products and their launches negatively. The proof is in the pudding, the annual September iPhone event was pushed to October this year, and the product lineups launched staggered with 12s and Pros first and pro Max and minis later. Knowing this, it’s not hard to believe that QC took a hit this year, it’s been a tough year. I would align with this reasoning rather than believing Apple intended to give us yellow tinted displays which is absurd. Regardless, it’s each individual’s choice whether they want to accept their displays or not. I will support those who are trying to receive a display they are happy with, because these are premium products, and it raises awareness around these issues. If everyone adopted an attitude of accepting subpar products, how is progress ever going to be made? Criticism and competition drives better products.
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1) I kept up with the first 50 pages... so I guess technically your comment is right in my case. I've skimmed some of the last 100 pages or so.
2) I haven't ignored anything, and I've responded to many with logical questions as often the posts showing images conveniently leave out items to help back up what they're saying. Not all of them, for sure. But some of them.
2a) I provided numerous logical reasons and evidence behind my thought processes in the first 50 pages or so of this thread, and those convinced of this issue ignored those reasons and that evidence as well. So that goes both ways.
3) I'm sure this was in jest, but for clarification, I prefer Android over iOS, but use iOS because it makes my work and home life easier as everybody around me uses iPhones. I couldn't care less about Apple as a company.
I've also stated numerous times that I'm not saying there's not an issue. As you stated accurately, every year (especially with OLED panels) there is a display lottery. But that wasn't the OP's point. The OP's point was creating a sensationalized idea that Apple has some conspiracy to give out all of its junk panels up front (which goes against the lottery logic) and that it's this massive problem.
All I'm saying it's not this massive, widespread, systemic issue. Every. Single. iPhone 12/Mini/Pro/Max screen will be less white than every model before it, especially the LCDs. People pickup their new 12 and compare it to their Xr (or whatever older model), it looks yellow to them, and they google and get to this forum, and feed into the over-hype, when 9 times out of 10 their phone is likely just fine and as Apple intended.
Okay, my apologies to you if you aren’t stating it’s a non-issue, there are people here that are. However, in that example you’re giving, why are you making the case that every iPhone will be less white than its predecessor? That doesn’t make sense when you factor in the strive that companies are no doubt making in order to produce more colour accurate screens. Are you perhaps trying to say that each iPhone display is becoming less blue each year? More blue doesn’t equate to more white, as I know d65 white is warmer than what people expect. It doesn’t follow that iPhones can keep becoming less and less blue each year as at some point, you will pass the point where your colours start to become less accurate in the RGB grey balance and as a result of that, to where your whites are no longer white, which is a key example of the bad displays we’ve seen this year.
At the same time, who’s to say it isn’t a widespread issue when we don’t know whether the issue is present for what percentage of 12 users and if they notice it or care about it? I think that’s important to consider, the vast majority of people with this issue probably won’t even be here posting about it.
I remember before OLED, the LCD displays would often suffer from yellow blotches, backlight bleed, and even yellow tint. It was menacing. It was a love hate relationship when it came time for a new iPhone because the screen swap lottery was a guarantee. When OLED came out, it was a sign of relief because the yellow blotches and backlight bleed were now defunct. When Color Filters came out, even the yellow screen worry became nearly non existent with the added adjustments.
I used to have to exchange my 6 and 7 3 to 5 times to get an acceptable screen.
When the iPhone X came out with the OLED technology and Color Filters, the screen anxiety anticipation was gone. These two features alone essentially eliminated the need to play screen lottery for the most part.
Problems like raised blacks and significant color discrepancies are hardware related and should be exchanged. However, 9 out of 10 times the color temperature issue can be adequately rectified with the Color Filters adjustments without dimming the brightness, washing out colors, or changing other non-white colors. A side by side comparison with an iPhone that has naturally neutral whites will confirm that Color Filters can be used on the natively warmer display phone to accurately match the cooler native display phone without any adverse brightness or color effects.
Actually more blue does equate to more white when applied to the opposite end of the color wheel. It’s Measured in Kelvins. A uniformly yellowish appearance will have a lower Kelvin color temperature whereas the highest Kelvin temperature is blue.
Unfortunately color filters cannot fix the grayscale issues. Even with the color filters I cannot get dark mode to not look green. Whites can be toned to match that of the whites on a MacBook, but there is a fundamental flaw with how every 12 pro that I’ve seen is rendering gray.
Yes when applied to the opposite end, which we aren’t talking about. d65 white point is 6504K. If the screen is bluer to start with, i.e. upwards of 6504K, less blue will make the screen more white.
Yes, similar to what people here are experiencing with this years iPhones, a greater decrease in blue.
The gray issue is definitely hardware related and should be exchanged. My production week 50 12 pro does not have the raised blacks / gray discoloration issues. The only thing I noticed coming from an iPhone X with a natively cooler screen, is a natively warmer display on the 12. However, it’s nothing that color filters couldn’t remedy. I used my iPhone X as the control and was able to match it precisely without any adverse color or brightness issues.
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Thank you. This is the first I’m reading that confirmed the gray issue is something separate from the warmer display. I will happily ask for replacement now.
You're confusing me with someone else. I have never said anything about Apple fixing this with a software update. Ever. My point all along is not all iPhones are bad as has been described in this thread. The vast majority of displays are fine. I'm thankful mine is perfect.
I'm sorry you are not happy with yours. I hope it improves for you or you find another phone you are happy with.
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